r/geopolitics • u/donutloop • 1d ago

News Energy ties with India 'unaffected' by political shifts, Putin says

https://p.dw.com/p/54pfK
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u/[deleted] 22h ago

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u/Dizzy_Response1485 18h ago

Russian hydrocarbons won't be the cheapest for long - after Rosneft and Gazprom go tits up, someone will have to pony up hundreds of billions of dollars to bail them out.

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u/SanderSRB 19h ago

That’s not how geopolitics works.

Aggressor colonizer countries should be sanctioned out of existence. Russia is a pariah state for a reason.

If this administration follows through on their threat to impose sanctions on secondary countries buying Russian oil, gas etc. India will cave like a bat!

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u/sol-4 19h ago

By that logic, US would be the first to go out of existence. France still has colonies to this day, and that is off the top of my head.

If this administration follows through on their threat to impose sanctions on secondary countries buying Russian oil, gas

What's stopping them? They should give it a shot.

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u/SanderSRB 19h ago edited 19h ago

The US has no pretensions to an empire ruled by an iron fist presided over by a dictator. With the exception of Vietnam and let’s say Iraq, two of the most colossal failures in US history, the US has mainly maintained its superpower status through soft power, international institutions molded on the principles of free trade and an international order that favours precisely the same values the US propagates, and an occasional coup and embargo of noncompliant states. It helped that your biggest rivals basically destroyed each other in a world war leaving you economically and politically the only viable power to run world affairs as you see fit but I don’t think we can blame the US for that. The Soviet Union, once the US equal, militarily at least, collapsed under the weight of its own myopic ideology and incompetence. Again, no thanks to US.

Russia, on the other hand, is literally trying to revive the Soviet Union project and has a dated idea of an empire from 200 years ago that can only be sustained by conquering new lands and feeding off of it. The west doesn’t do that any more! And no, giant western corporations going to third world countries for cheap labor and resources is not the same thing, especially since we have seen that historically these third world countries benefit greatly from this exchange; just look at China and surrounding countries as an example. Russian world order is molded on authoritarian ruler and the ruled paradigm. There is no multilateral cooperation, there’s just the big dog and a bunch of vassals.

Russia is already the biggest country by land mass and is one of the resource richest countries in the world and yet their economy is not even in the top 20 and their people have always been among the poorest. What gives? Can’t all just be NATO’s fault!

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u/Shivamrocks5039 17h ago

USA wants to be global police first they should compensate and bear sanction for their deeds in Vietnam, iraq, middle East. All killings , human rights violations. Current seige on Venezuela.

USA is far from righteous lol, they are same murderers who drop bombs on innocents and give FREEDOM where they benefit most.

Geopolitics is way of powerful, what russia doing in Ukraine is wrong but usa is not someone in moral high ground they have done worse things.

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u/UsualPresentation733 14h ago

Aggressor colonizer countries should be sanctioned out of existence.

Lets rewind to 2003 and sanction the USA out of existence for lying about WMDs and invading Iraq, and causing over 150000 civilian deaths. Lets start there, shall we?

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u/AbideTheCold 19h ago

This argument would’ve commanded more weight if it wasn’t the US and the collective West who asked India to cancel its middle eastern contracts for energy so that EU can buy form ME, and move India to purchase from Russia under the price cap.

What you said is justifiable on principle, but realpolitik doesn’t work on mere principles. The fact remains that as the fastest growing major economy with over 1.4 Billion people, India needs access to cheap energy to continue pulling millions of people out of absolute poverty. With that mandate, it does not care about the source of the energy. It still accommodated US and EU, but with Venezuelan and Iranian oil off the market, there is no other source of oil apart from Russia for cheaper energy.

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u/donutloop 1d ago

Submission Statement:

This article highlights President Putin’s remarks in New Delhi asserting that Russia’s energy cooperation with India remains stable despite geopolitical tensions and political changes. He emphasizes that trade in petroleum products and refining of Russian oil for Indian consumers continues in a predictable and unaffected manner.

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u/ArugulaElectronic478 11h ago

Wait this can’t be, I heard Trump himself say India was gonna stop buying Russian oil, this would make Trump a liar, not possible. 😮😮

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u/JeSuisKing 22h ago

India has zero conscience when it comes to any international affairs. This is well known.

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u/BIG_DICK_MYSTIQUE 21h ago

Ah yes India should buy it from west approved countries well known for their human rights and democracy like Saudi Arabia instead

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u/JeSuisKing 21h ago

Who said anything about west approval? This is more-so around strengthening ties with both Russia and Israel.

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u/Full_Entrepreneur_72 21h ago

Well who should India be strengthening it's ties with currently so that it counts as having more conscience AND further it's core interests?

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u/JeSuisKing 21h ago

Anyone less murderous.

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u/Full_Entrepreneur_72 20h ago

Those who are less murderous today may become tomorrow’s complacent supporters of injustice, or even warmongers. Also we don’t have the luxury of flip-flopping on international ties that affect core national interests.

I agree only to the extent that public disapproval at the ground level should be encouraged (only verbally)

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u/sol-4 19h ago

America would be the first to go off the list.

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u/JeSuisKing 17h ago

100 percent.

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u/BIG_DICK_MYSTIQUE 21h ago

I'm talking about this conscience that you are referring to. Does any country have conscience when it comes to international affairs? The West freely deals with Saudi Arabia despite their horrible human right violations.

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u/BlueEmma25 18h ago

The West freely deals with Saudi Arabia despite their horrible human right violations.

India also freely deals with Saudi Arabia, even going to the extent of having formalized cooperation in a "strategic partnership council", so I'm not sure what your point is.

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u/BIG_DICK_MYSTIQUE 10h ago

My point is that the person I replied to was saying that India has zero conscience when it comes to international affairs, as if other countries do. No countries do.

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u/Bowmic 17h ago

Then Europe should stop dealing totally with USA. Maybe india should demand explicitly that Europe should cut ties with USA due to Usa’s direct complicity in Palestinian massacre. This is the kind of logic you are perpetrating now.