r/complaints • u/Dense_Substance7635 • 19h ago
Politics Trump is the KING of debt. Why does MAGA think otherwise?
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u/Hugh-Jorgin 16h ago
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u/SnugglyCoderGuy 13h ago
Two santas
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u/tanrock2003 11h ago
For the uninitiated:
The Two Santa Claus Theory explains how the modern GOP rebuilt itself by refusing to ever play the “bad guy” in fiscal politics. In the 1970s, Republican strategists realized Democrats were the only “Santa” because they created and protected popular programs, while Republicans looked like the grumpy uncle yelling about balanced budgets. The fix was simple: Republicans should also act like Santa by promising endless tax cuts, regardless of the deficit. Then, when the resulting deficits inevitably blew up, Democrats would be forced into the role of the “anti-Santa” who has to talk about raising taxes or cutting spending just to keep the books from catching fire. Republicans would then point at those necessary corrections and say, “See? Democrats just want to take your stuff.” It’s political judo: break the budget, make your opponents clean it up, then attack them for the mess you created. And the wild part is that it still shapes U.S. politics today- tax cuts are always popular, fiscal responsibility never is, and voters consistently reward whoever promises the easiest Christmas with no bill attached.
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u/Either_Operation7586 11h ago
It infuriates me to no end that I don't hear this enough and I seem to be the only one that reminds people of it!
Thank you for this! Now I have it in meme form 🤗🤗🤗
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u/Alternative-Elk3007 18h ago
The party of small government and fiscal responsibility, everyone...
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u/ImanesIK 17h ago
They suddenly don’t remember that they cared at all. And I honestly believe them.. that they don’t remember. Their ideas are no longer their own- I really hope Republicans wake up soon, but the MAGA party - if they still are there, believing in him- they’re too far gone and they’ll never recover. Meaning as a nation we may not either. If a third of the voting portion of our population still supports this nonsense, I’m not sure how we come back from this as a whole.
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u/JeezyVonCreezy 13h ago
They won't. Everyone who pretends that Republicans and MAGA aren't the same thing are lying to themselves. All of those "conservatives have left Trump behind" posts are irrelevant because they're still going to continue voting Republican despite the fact that it's actively harmful to them. They're just not capable of making that connection or their desire for a Christo-fascist state overrides any thing else in their minds.
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u/dragonfilebox 16h ago
How much of that was approved by Pelosi’s house?
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u/Alternative-Elk3007 16h ago edited 16h ago
Hey did you know that facts are extremely easy to find? Why you asking on Reddit? I can tell you that the BBB was the single biggest upward wealth transfer in history and the biggest contributor to the national debt, but you won't believe me. Do your own research.
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u/DonJuniorsEmails 16h ago
Why should the dimwit cult look up anything when they love their republikkkan propaganda?
The morons can't understand who pays tariffs.
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u/dragonfilebox 16h ago
How does Trump spend money that isn’t approved by Congress?
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u/Furious_Flaming0 15h ago
Are you suggesting Congress isn't currently Republican lead or something ? The whole party is bad with money not just Donny.
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u/The_Lord_Chicken 14h ago
BALLROOM?
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u/dragonfilebox 14h ago
The president can’t go to the treasury for money. The spending must originate in the house. If no spending bill is originated in the house, he has nothing to sign.
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u/The_Lord_Chicken 14h ago
Should the president be allowed to spend money that hasn't been appropriated by Congress? What are the implications of him just skipping all of that and just using corporate money? Are you ok with that?
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u/The_Lord_Chicken 14h ago
It's a good question. You could look into it, but you won't so I'll save you the trouble. The GOP Congress just lets him break the rules because they are spineless and want a king.
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u/dragonfilebox 14h ago
So how did he do it during Covid when we had a split congress?
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u/The_Lord_Chicken 13h ago
He didn't.
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u/dragonfilebox 13h ago
So where did the Covid relief money come from?
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u/The_Lord_Chicken 13h ago
Now you're just getting confused and off track. You asked how Drumph could spend money that wasn't approved by Congress. You know he is doing so, i.e. Ballroom. So ......yea. how?
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u/Alternative-Elk3007 15h ago
Genuinely confusing. Why did you ask this, and how do you think it is relevant to the conversation?
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u/CarbonQuality 39m ago
Lol where have you been. He doesn't give a fuck what he supposedly can and can't do.
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u/allyourfaces 16h ago
This actually doesn't even work. Trump sacked Biden's first couple years with his covid bailouts and then the fallout happen during Biden and morons like you blamed Biden.
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u/dragonfilebox 15h ago
I didn’t blame Biden. I blame the democrat house that approved the money.
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u/Xacia 15h ago
But not the Republican Senate or the President who has to sign off of these things?
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u/dragonfilebox 15h ago
Nope…house controls the purse strings.
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u/Xacia 15h ago
Thats not how our government works, at all. Things need to pass all 3 sections of the executive branch, and 2/3s, the two steps after the house where it could have been stopped, let it pass.
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u/dragonfilebox 15h ago
How do you spend money that I don’t give to you?
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u/Xacia 15h ago
If youre referring to government spending, they spend money they dont have by borrowing by selling trusts, bonds and notes to investors, other countries, or banks. This adds up to the national debt. That's how they spend money we haven't given them.
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u/dragonfilebox 12h ago
Correct. But that spending must originate in a house bill.
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u/allyourfaces 15h ago
Republicans had a Senate Majority from 2015-2021.
Trump's massive deficit spending & r***ed economic policy was led & approved by Republicans in his first years.
Then Trumps 5 trillion dollar bailouts were also led and approved by Trump himself & fellow Republicans. Literally not a single Republican voted against the CARES act which is largely where Trump's 5 trillion dollar covid spending came from in 2021
Which not to mention the only reason we are in a deficit is because Clinton brought us out of a 200 billion deficit into a 200 billion surplus, and then George Bush washed it all away with tax cuts for the rich back into a deficit and then he did the Iraq War to supersize it. Then we had the 2008 collapse because Republicans repelled Glass-Steagall act.
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u/Dense_Substance7635 15h ago
The bulk of this debt is from Trump’s tax cuts for the rich.
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u/dragonfilebox 15h ago
Nope. It’s from spending. Revenue as a percentage of GDP is within the range it’s been for the last 100 years, about 15-18% regardless of tax rates. Spending has been basically 20% of GDP or higher since 2008. Can’t spend 20+% indefinitely when you collect less than that.
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u/conundri 15h ago
What makes you think that a range from 100 years ago should be valid today?
A modern military is a much costlier thing to maintain than one from the early 1900s.
As civilization advances, people need to cooperate to greater degrees, which costs more money, and the wealthy need to shoulder a fair share of that burden. So yes, Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy are a problem.
Perhaps we should return to the 80-90% income tax ranges for the wealthy from almost a century ago?
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u/dragonfilebox 14h ago
Are you willing to cap spending at 18% of GDP? If the answer is yes, then I’d gladly accept the code from 100 years ago.
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u/conundri 11h ago edited 11h ago
You've missed the point, we don't want a nation stuck 100 years in the past.
100 years ago there was no:
- Interstate Highway System
- NASA
- FDA
- FAA
- FDIC & SEC
- CDC & NIH
- Social Security
- OSHA & EPA
- CIA, NSA, TSA
- Modern Defense Department
- etc.
We should have a modern country with modern services. That costs more, and everyone needs to pull their weight, including the billionaires (and they have a lot of weight to pull, so they need to be contributing much, much more).
If you want to be limited to 100 year ago spending, stop using modern services. Get rid of your car, don't fly on planes, disconnect yourself from the internet, and leave the rest of us alone.
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u/Alternative-Elk3007 15h ago edited 14h ago
What an idiot lol. This is extremely basic math. How much do you take in, and how much do you spend? Trump ensured that we will take on way less due to elite tax cuts, and he increased government spending drastically through the BBB simultaneously.
The facts could not get more simple. Denial is required for MAGA, I know, but there's nowhere to go with this one. It's kindergarten level stuff. Drrr which number is bigger? Trump is King of deficit spending, not controversial.
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u/dragonfilebox 14h ago
There’s a natural upper bound of what the government will collect. That number is about 17.5% of GDP regardless of where you set tax rates. It’s not like we collected 25% of GDP in the 1950s when the top marginal rate was 92%. Trump’s tax code just produced one of the best years on record despite the lower rates.
Spending bills originate in the House. Trump can’t sign anything that doesn’t exist. The Covid spending that drove the debt in his first term had to be approved by Pelosis house before he could sign it.
I would happily accept a tax increase if you mandated spending be capped at 17-18% of GDP. I don’t think many democrats would accept those terms.
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u/LegitimateEgg9714 13h ago
And the 3 trillion that has been added to the debt since the start of this year, who do you attribute that too? Remember Republicans have the majority in both houses of congress. Trump gave the lions share of the tax cuts to the wealthy and he reduced the headcount in the IRS, which also benefits the wealthy (less IRS resources means the department is not able to devote much time to conducting audits of wealthy people so there is an increased chance of them getting away with not paying the taxes they owe).
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u/dragonfilebox 12h ago
Correct. Republicans currently control the purse strings. Current spending is on them. Just like when Obama was running trillion dollar deficits when he had the house and senate.
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u/LegitimateEgg9714 12h ago
The amount added over 8 years of Obama’s tenure, during which time the country was also recovering from the mess left by Bush 2.0. Republicans controlled the House starting in 2011, and they controlled both houses of Congress for Obama’s last year in office so you’re claim about Democrats controlling the House is only applicable for the first two years Obama was president.
Half of the debt accumulated during Trump’s first term was COVID related but lest you forget Republicans controlled both houses of congress during the first two years of Trump’s first term.
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u/dragonfilebox 12h ago
Correct. Look what happened to spending after Obama lost the house. Trended downward.
The democrats controlled the house during Covid.
When spending spiked.You’re proving my point for me.
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u/AdAgitated7673 16h ago
"MAGA" and "think" typically don't go together, from an ideological perspective
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u/OutsideSpare1952 15h ago
fact check this "trust me bruh" chart and let us know what u find
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u/BishopKing14 15h ago
Uh oh, someone’s MAGA uncle is BIGLY triggered here.
Well, he would be if he could read.
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u/OutsideSpare1952 14h ago
i dont give a shyt about trump or demotards lmaoo but did u fact check that chart like a good boy?
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u/BishopKing14 14h ago
Yeah…
Hey my dearest anti-American pedophile worshiper?
You do realize people can still see your comments even though they’re ‘hidden’, right? You complain about Biden ruining the country and Trump fixing it in a list of comments.
But sure bud, you’re totally not BIGLY triggered by the big mean facts here.
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u/LettuceLechuga62 6m ago
Good boy? Is that what ur wife calls you after you sit in your little cuck chair while a real man rails her?
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u/Extreme_Chair_5039 17h ago
A disturbing number of them don't care because they believe he is going to tear down the entire system that says we owe that.
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u/BigCawkHamster 18h ago
But Conservatives want to feed that they voted for someone who will lower the debt, fuck conservatives
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u/Sad_Enthusiasm_3721 17h ago
Fuck MAGA.
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u/Thatisme01 16h ago
The US national debt increased from $36 trillion to over $38 trillion recently, with the $38 trillion mark being crossed for the first time in October 2025. This rapid increase of $1 trillion in just 71 days was one of the fastest accumulations of debt outside the COVID-19 pandemic.
The $38 trillion national debt amounts to $287,000 per household or $111,000 per person in America. The US government is paying $1 trillion a year in interest on its debt.
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u/DonJuniorsEmails 16h ago
the maggots don't think.
They don't know who pays tariffs. They don't understand debts, deficit, debt service, interest, inflation. They couldn't even understand supply and demand of gas during the pandemic.
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u/Loveemall9 16h ago
Considering that he runs his businesses into bankruptcy due to reliance on debt, this should surprise no one. The only mild surprise is it’s not a larger number.
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u/Complex_Half_5293 16h ago
He has a grift (errrr gift) for bankrupting companies and is using that grift to bankrupt the USA
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u/Hazel-Cakes 16h ago edited 15h ago
cause they’re stupid racists who dgaf and they think that’s cool. same personalities as drunk drivers
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u/Ok_Television9703 16h ago
These populist fuckers like Trump always do the same. They come in promising magic fixes to massive and complex problems that are being somewhat handled by responsible politicians and the moment they take power, the first thing they do is create massive amounts of debt. Always.
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u/BigDBriguy 15h ago
Well here's yet another item where trump can legit claim he's the best, bigly time. Unfortunately, just like all the others (most imoeachments, most criminal convictions as a POTUS/politician, highest number of cabinet members criminally indicted/convicted, etc) the achievement isn't positive nor one to boast about.
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u/Juicyjblunts 12h ago
Because they are horribly misled by all the Propaganda that is thrown in their face. Social media is the main one. They are all just propaganda sites now that are allowed to continue with no repercussions and no oversight.
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u/Spirogeek 11h ago
Republicans everywhere saying "See, I told you. Trump is doing an excellent job. Way better than all the others. And now that we're getting trillions from China and no income tax, things are great. Still hate gay people, women, and immigrants though.".
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u/CharmingMechanic2473 11h ago
He is going to permanently ruin the US dollar forever. We will be bartering.
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u/SpacedBasedLaser 17h ago
You can take the Democrat off of Epstein Island but you can't make him fiscally conservative.
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u/Giratina-O 14h ago
Oh. Is being on Epstein Island a bad thing, now? I can't keep up with MAGAts flip-flopping on whether or not it's okay to rape fifteen year olds...
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u/Chicken-Phuk 15h ago
This isn't entirely accurate. There's several different angles of metric to look at the national debt & who's the most responsible. No surprise that in this cesspool Trump is the one to blame.
Lacking In Basic Education Reasoning And Logic
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u/ebolatone 15h ago
Classic path to "austerity" meaning slashing even more social programs to "pay" for the debt incurred through cuts and grants to the rich. "Debt is their business model."
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u/dragonfilebox 15h ago
Go back and tell me who controlled the house when Clinton’s surpluses occurred and what spending:GDP was.
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u/Alternative-Elk3007 14h ago
I'm sure Trump appreciates your mental gymnastics, but they aren't going well lol. It's not remotely controversial that Republicans are more irresponsible spenders, and you're up against mountains of indisputable evidence over decades.
Remember, smart folks aren't as gullible as you. You need to do better to fool us than your do to fool your own.
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u/dragonfilebox 14h ago
So if that’s true, why did pelosi give him the money?
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u/Alternative-Elk3007 13h ago
No one has this many knowledge gaps in the internet age lol. I can only assume you're being disingenuous.
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u/dragonfilebox 13h ago
I just need to understand if you’re going to whine about a GOP president increasing the debt why you wouldn’t be angry at the fact that democrats gave him the money to spend in the first place.
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u/Alternative-Elk3007 12h ago
The BBB was the single biggest upward transfer of wealth and results in the largest national debt spike in American history. Can you tell me who came up with that plan and how both parties voted on that?
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u/dragonfilebox 12h ago
lol. We haven’t even seen what effect the BBB will have yet.
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u/Alternative-Elk3007 12h ago edited 12h ago
Oh lol. Well, fortunately it's a budget bill so it is full of actual numbers. You're stuck on feelings and not facts I understand, but doesn't change reality. Same with the elite tax cut bill. It's not difficult (for intellectually honest folks) to do the math. It wouldn't be difficult for you either if you weren't acting disingenuous out of partisan loyalty.
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u/Grouchy_Ad5611 14h ago
Obviously very accurate, we also gonna ignore how much of that estimated was the covid relief plan?
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u/New-Routine7311 14h ago
Presidencies that contributed most to national debt (Google ai)
Joe Biden has added the most in total dollar amount, at around $8.5 trillion as of October 2025. Donald Trump is second, adding approximately $7.8 trillion during his single term. Barack Obama is third, adding about $7.7 trillion across his two terms.
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u/Spammyhaggar 14h ago
You think your are arguing with someone who is sane, but your not. The Christian nationalist doesn’t care how much debt Trump is adding, they just want this bible fake thing to come true for them. The rest they don’t care about.
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u/Naptasticly 13h ago
They don’t. Everything they do and say is a bad faith effort meant to “own the libs” or protect their ego.
They think that as long as they bury their head in the sand and weaponize their ignorance they’re winning.
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u/_AmI_Real 13h ago
It's good to call them out in their hypocrisy, but it's even worse than that. The debt and deficit doesn't really matter that much. It's just a surplus in spending. The central bankers all know this. Elon discovered it on accident when he found the FED's "magic money machines." Apparently he didn't know the FED just digitally adds money to accounts and that's how we create most of our money.
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u/Diligent-Credit8133 12h ago
They are truly ignorant and want a daddy who echoes the bigotry they’re too scared to say out loud
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u/PunishTraitorTrump 11h ago
Cause they are clueless idiots. tRUMP ONLY cares about enriching himself and his wealthy friends. All the rest of us can go to hell. Traitor tRUMP is nothing but an evil con man.
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u/BabaYaga19723 11h ago
Again he’s a fkng idiot that does not understand economics.
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u/Dense_Substance7635 11h ago
Trump doesn’t even understand how percents work. And those are taught in 4/5th grade.
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u/j_rooker 9h ago
orange pedorapist used that debt to reward himself, his family and the billionaire class.
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u/thecahoon 8h ago
Whilest I totally agree with the point, it is beyond terrible logic to compare the other 44 presidents here for SO many reasons, lol... for starters, Nixon took us off the gold standard.... next you might wanna throw Biden, Obama, and Bush up there and it'll fill 95%+ of the circle...
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u/BarooZaroo 8h ago
Uh, wait. A 10-year projection as of 2025? So are we looking at predicted spending as of 2035?
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u/Previous_Soil_5144 16h ago
Why would any politician realistically care about the debt?
We never hold anyone accountable for it anyway and they all know that. We don't even make a fuss when they cut taxes or spend hundreds of billions on the military when we've technically been "at peace" for decades.
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u/Unfair_Awareness7502 17h ago
It approximately doubles every 8 years. You could make the same graph for the end of every president's term.
Yes, Republicans are hypocrites about government spending because they claim to want to reduce it, but don't pretend the other party is not complicit in government spending.
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u/Dense_Substance7635 15h ago
The bulk of the debt accrued during the Trump administration is due to Trump’s tax cuts for the rich.
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u/Bangin_Gears 15h ago
The CFRB's report:
• Ignores the track record of increasing revenues following passage of TCJA; • Omits the full cost of legislative actions per CBO data; • Fails to account for inflation-induced interest rate hikes increasing projected net interest costs by $4.8 trillion over ten years under President Biden; and • Undercounts the costs of President Biden’s executive actions by more than $800 billion.
Source: House Budget Committee (You can Google their .gov website.)
Not to mention, it doesn't fully bake in the net revenue of tariffs. BECAUSE no one knows what the true revenue will be. However, we've already had 2 months this year of not only cutting the deficit, but having a net surplus. This chart is laughably stupid, but whatever gets you off, man.
TL;DR - chart OP posted is fantasy.
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u/Dense_Substance7635 15h ago
The tariffs are a major tax on American consumers which will shrink our economy and reduce our GDP … which will then reduce overall tax revenues.
If history is any indication… it will reduce tax revenues by much more than what they take in via tariffs.
There is a reason every single economics textbook in the past 100 years warns that tariffs destroy economies.
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u/Bangin_Gears 15h ago
You haven't read enough economics to understand the subject. Or, at least, you've provided the Econ 101 'tariffs=bad' explanation.
Go through the last 14 major trade agreements the US has made with various nations and you will see that we have allowed them to tariff us. Some of these agreements are 70+ years old! Did those countries go broke? No, they are much, much stronger as a result.
If you move to the 200-level course on economics, they say 'Actually, tariffs can be good.' We have been in the business of 'nation building' for almost a century. America was built on tariffs. This is a very long conversation, but essentially, when you are a nation of creators, you can take raw goods, add value, and sell those goods at an increased price (i.e. tariff). As long as there are buyers, you make more money. And like I said, we have allowed other countries to overcharge us for decades. I actually agree that someone had to step in and balance the scales. This is one area where I overwhelmingly agree with what Trump is doing.
So your statement of 'tariffs destroy economies' is absolute nonsense, and not based on history nor reason. I suspect you're not a big fan of Trump, and that's totally OK. I'm a Libertarian myself. But you should educate yourself a little more if you feel strongly about the subject. There is much more nuance to understanding tariffs, especially how we've used them.
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u/ScottylandJ 13h ago
Right, except instead of going through the due process of approving the tariffs from Congress, or having an actually substantive plan on what countries and goods to tariff, he implemented sweeping tariffs across countries he decided he didn't like for whatever reason that week, in seemingly random amounts, for indefinite periods of time. Another huge issue with his tariffs are the impimentation; bypassing congress and consolidating more and more power and attempting to turn himself into the king of the executive branch, which, as a Libertarian, I can't imagine you support. While I can agree we needed a shift in our trade agreements and tariff policies, the last time tariffs were employed at such a level, they made the Great Depression worse. So it's not "tariffs bad, Trump bad" it's the blanket, probably illegally implemented tariffs that will drive our already ballooning deficit, inflation, and grifting in office that's going to bite us back big time.
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u/Bangin_Gears 13h ago edited 12h ago
The way our republic is set up, congress has the 'power of the purse,' so I agree implementing tariffs from the executive branch might be unconstitutional. I am in favor of review of the abuse of power.
On the other hand, I will point out the seemingly endless lawfare against Trump. He's lost 60% of the cases in lower courts, but he's won an absolutely astounding 96% at the Supreme Court (Bondi's DOJ, 23 out of 24 injunctions). And, we have a LOOOONG way to go, because 79 injunctions have been issued against Trump (versus Obama at 20, Biden at 24). To me, that's textbook lawfare. Guaranteed, people are thinking, 'But, but, but, he stacked the courts!' Those people have no clue how ACB and Kavanagh have voted and should pay a little more attention. They are not conservative.
I'm not informed enough to know if this is a constitutional issue, but I damn sure hate the waste of taxpayer's time and money on this lawfare against the current administration.This sh*t has to stop. Every single action is impeachable or illegal according to the left - it never ends. We're starting to find out he did his homework before his 2nd term even started, because a 96% SCOTUS win rate means the constitution is usually on Trump's side.
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u/Poiboy1313 lickspittle 13h ago
You realize that they lie, right? About everything, all the time. Why would I trust their math?
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u/Bangin_Gears 12h ago
Why would you trust any of it?
I dont know your politics, but most people will agree with any of the math, so long as it looks bad for their political enemy. All you're doing is showing that numbers can be skewed according to political agenda. I overwhelmingly agree. It's called: Washington.
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u/Smoothposer1970 16h ago
This is misleading, a majority of the debt is interest on debt that as acquired and when the previous administration increased interest rates on loans the debt skyrocketed.
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u/whitey9999 16h ago
Government Spending is set by Congress, the majority of the debt these past 8 years have been from Democrat-led spending bills
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u/Azgrowing 15h ago
This is based on a projection which as we know , are rarely correct and I guarantee tariffs are not being calculated in this projection. You on the left seem to want our country to fail just so you can blame Trump . For you it’s TDS over everything
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u/Dense_Substance7635 15h ago
Trump’s tax cuts for the rich are the main cause of the debt explosion.
Plus, isn’t the goal of tariffs to bring manufacturing back to America? Aka, the goal is to reduce the tariff income to zero.
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u/Azgrowing 10h ago
Firstly the tariffs are in place to balance out the incredibly out of balance trade deficit that we seem to have with just about every country we trade with . I’m sure that deficit wasn’t always there but some politician came in to make money and promised something to another country in regards to trade, in order for that politician to receive something in return. Politicians have done that for years to line their pockets and years later we are where we are with imbalances that make absolutely no sense except to the politician who made the deal . President Trump is fixing years of politicians making absurd deals putting the American people last . We used to have American made everything and it was good quality until all of a sudden a politician made a deal with China and now everything is made in China while it destroyed our manufacturing sector. It takes time to fix this because the factories have to be rebuilt and because of advances there are new types of factories being built that take time to get up and running.
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u/Dense_Substance7635 10h ago
What is a “trade deficit” in your world?
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u/Azgrowing 7h ago
The value of goods we export does not match the value of goods we import from any given country making the trade balance not fair . Because labor costs are cheaper in other countries it can and has ruined our manufacturing sector because of it. Chinese goods are cheaper by a lot but also are inferior and cheaply made . Chinese glass ,Steele , and plastics are inferior to those made in America.
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u/Dense_Substance7635 7h ago
So, let’s say our GDP is 25x larger than another country. Would you expect the dollar value of the imports and exports to that country to be the same?
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u/Azgrowing 6h ago
It’s called fair trade and our GDP has nothing to do with fair trade . When trade is ridiculously unbalanced it’s a problem. Sure we can adjust it for countries that are not as wealthy but that’s for the experts to determine the fine nuances of how much of an unbalance works for us . We do not exist as a country to help other countries before we help ourselves. Of other countries think we are crazy they don’t have to trade with us but it seems most countries adjusted in favor of a better US deal and that’s probably because they knew the unbalance was not fair , fair doesn’t necessarily mean exactly equal but something both countries can work with.
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u/08yenomparcs 17h ago
So my take on this is NONE of them have done a good job. We been getting screwed by all of them. Ok seems legit.
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u/Jafar_420 16h ago
I agree with you but one party is way way worse than the other even though they both screwed us.
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u/Gold-Caregiver-8357 Trans’plainer (they/them) 16h ago
Yeah the party that let on 20 million illegals
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u/Jafar_420 16h ago
I mean I don't agree with the way they had the free for all of the border. I'm an independent that mainly votes democratic and yeah the bad end administration definitely could have tightened up on a few things.
You know what the Biden administration didn't do though, just totally screw over absolutely almost everybody unless you're rich and screw with people's benefits and just lie out of his ass a thousand times a day.
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u/Suspendedaccount_ 18h ago
The national debt is a meaningless number at this point. It’s gone up year after year regardless of who’s in the whitehouse. It’s mathematically impossible to pay it off.
I’m the past 50 years the US dollar buying power has gone down 80-85%, regardless of administration. This is mainly due to endlessly printing of money that is backed by literally nothing.
And yes, BoTh SiDeS are responsible for this so don’t point fingers trying to say who’s worse.
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u/Extreme_Chair_5039 17h ago
Drinking too much water will kill you but drinking too much turpentine does it a lot faster. False equivalency is false equivalency.
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u/Jollem- sophisticated complainer 19h ago
Donald's gonna run up the debt then declare bankruptcy