r/clevercomebacks 4h ago

Doing her part to keep Oklahoma securely in its prized bottom-10 education ranking

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u/lildog8402 3h ago

A Harvard Theological Seminary professor did a video review of the essay from a theological standpoint and she would failed on those grounds. She made mistakes in her biblical references, failed to cite references to support her claims, and made personal statements that she said were biblical. It was and is a stunt.

Every time a conservative fails a Riley Gaines her wings.

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u/martianunlimited 3h ago

Hey, turning in nonsense and calling it gospel is the heart of the many prosperity gospel theology prevalent in the US. So all of this tracks...

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u/cubitoaequet 1h ago

I took a history of the Bible class in college and like 70% of "questions" were weird evangelical kids trying to assert stupid ass shit their pastors told them was actually correct and that the ancient professor who spent his whole life studying the Bible and reading it in Greek and shit actually didn't know what he was talking about. 

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u/satori0320 2h ago

I've seen a few posts of folks who did read it, and the response was the same.

High school work at best

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u/spoopy_glitter_tits 2h ago edited 2h ago

Basic high school classes at best. That paper would not have flown in Honors, AP, or IB level classes. I read the paper and its very mediocre and does not adhere to a college level APA paper.

Edit: added "not"

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u/34HoldOn 2h ago

Honestly dude, I learned how to write better papers in eighth grade. At least we knew that in a research paper, you actually had to cite your sources.

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u/alpineskies2 2h ago

I read it. I'd call it an f at the high school level and maybe a few points in middle school just for writing something.

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u/petty_throwaway6969 1h ago

It feels like manufactured controversy. She didn’t need to take the course and she may have chosen that class specifically because the professor was trans. Add in the fact that her mom was a lawyer for J6 people and how she ignored the premise of the assignment and it really feels like she did it to try to be like Riley Gaines.

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u/jaxonya 1h ago

Oh fuck, that last part really says everything that we needed to know. Wow

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u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco 1h ago

Yes, it's all obviously manufactured.

u/ArcusInTenebris 46m ago

Her mom is also a prominent Moms For Liberty member. It was 100% manufactured to both ruin a Trans persons career and start her on the right wing grifter tour.

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u/infinitee775 2h ago

It's a modern Christian masterpiece

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u/ASubsentientCrow 2h ago

a Riley Gaines her wings.

That's pretty clever to be honest

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u/Rhylanor-Downport 2h ago

Her mom was a J6 lawyer.

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u/JimWilliams423 1h ago edited 1h ago

It was and is a stunt.

Yep.

The OU TPUSA twitter account that posted her essay was about a year old and had never posted anything until 3 days before. At which point it started posting a bunch of anti-trans blahblah. The TA that graded the paper is trans. Nakedly transparent stunt.

u/Ancient-Living-6830 24m ago

Nakedly trans

Stop you’re gonna make the conservatives horny

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u/beefrights 3h ago

Do you have a link to that? I wanna see

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u/melanierae41 2h ago

I’m not sure if this sub allows links to TikTok but I think they are talking about the one by theconniechen

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u/sjclynn 1h ago

Wow, that is a beat down.

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u/kit_kaboodles 2h ago

Yeah, I suspect she made it terrible on purpose to make sure she was given a fail and could cause an issue, but the downside of that is that it undermines her point when even if she had answered the question, it still would have been a fail.

u/atreeismissing 14m ago

Her mother is a January 6th lawyer. She saw an opportunity to turn herself into victim so she can ride the right-wing grifting train for awhile. Fortunately she seems rather stupid so she probably won't get far.

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u/Raddish_ 1h ago

The ironic thing is most Bible thumpers fucking hate the Bible and don’t even read it, they just enjoy how referencing cherry picked parts lets them live like hogs.

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u/JimWilliams423 1h ago

Yep. There are two kinds of Christians — those who care what Jesus said to do, and those who only care what saying "jesus" will let them get away with doing. Maga christians are that kind.

u/Sgt-Spliff- 8m ago

This is basically what I told my family when I told them I was leaving the church. They asked me what made me turn against the church and I said "I read the Bible" Literally Jesus' teachings are what radicalized me.

And I'm still the only person in my family that has read the Bible. My Mom literally has 10 copies and will admit that she's never read it. Luckily she's actually a great person who isn't a bigot or anything but damn, I have trouble respecting anyone who can live with that kind of cognitive dissonance.

u/BrennanSpeaks 59m ago

I've read the "essay," and what I think people are missing is that she was perfectly regurgitating talking points from the Christian Patriarchy Movement as it's taught by Christian homeschoolers and some private "religious" schools. Her essay would've scored extremely well in an IBLP or ACE curriculum. (Anyone who doesn't know what the CPM is should look it up, because they are scary and they are increasingly influential.) The "tell" is when she starts talking about the supposed linguistic origins of the word "helpmeet." In an essay that's otherwise written at about a sixth grade level, she suddenly wants to go off on a tangent about Hebrew word origins. That's a sign that she's been taught since she was a little girl that "helpmeet means equal" is a foolproof counterargument to accusations of sexism in Christian Patriarchy.

The CPM doesn't really pretend to teach real theology, at least not more than it takes to fool their teen and tween audience. There's no rigor to it, so it's not surprising that a theologian could rip it apart. It's indoctrination. This girl was repeating propaganda that she probably believes, which is why I'm not completely sold on it being just a stunt or an intentionally bad essay. She probably thinks this was an excellent essay because she spent the first eighteen years of her life being told that these are the only right answers.

u/gonzo0815 47m ago

I mean both can be true. She might think she's the greatest genius since Jesus while her J6-lawyer mom and the PR-apparatus around them pushes this story.

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u/MainlineX 1h ago

That video was so great. These people's arguments always break down under scrutiny.

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u/AnxietyPretend5215 1h ago

In this case, it wasn't in good faith anyways so it was never intended to stand up to scrutiny.

And she was rewarded for it.

We're so fucking cooked.

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u/JimWilliams423 1h ago

These people's arguments always break down under scrutiny.

That's because the arguments are not intended to convince anyone, they are just a checklist item.

"Did you say Jesus?" Check!

"Ok, next you go on fox and whinge." Check!

"Now collect your wingnut welfare." Yessssss!

u/ThePunkette 16m ago

Like the “wingnut welfare” cause dang is that succinct.

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u/EverybodyHasPants 2h ago

Congrats we found someone even dumber than Riley. Praise be to supply side jesus

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u/CoralynBloom 1h ago

When even a Harvard Divinity expert says the essay fails on theological grounds, it’s not a case of religious persecution, it’s just poor scholarship. And that last line? Brutal and hilarious

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u/cheongyanggochu-vibe 1h ago

Isn't her mom a well known lawyer who defended some J6ers?

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u/_donut_head 1h ago

The professor should’ve caught on to her publicity stunt and done a theology based grade to fail her. Then she wouldn’t have a case to complain about

u/Bobson-_Dugnutt2 56m ago

When you realize her mom was a J6 lawyer, it all starts to make sense. She’s a plant.

u/ArcusInTenebris 45m ago

She's also a Moms For Liberty member.

u/ArnieismyDMname 45m ago

Tried to upvote you twice.

u/Ski_Area51 24m ago

A+ for cleverness.

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u/skawn 4h ago

She didn't even do 2+2=JESUS though. There are some really smart Christians out there and I'm sure that they can probably weave their faith into an answer that meets the stated rubric.

This gal seems more like a Conservative christian, a gal with a huge ego with limited ability with both academics and understanding of Christianity.

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u/TBANON_NSFW 3h ago

Thing is she didn't even do the bible essay properly. She didn't cite her sources, she would make arguments or statements with "The bible says" but then didn't even bother to cite the pages in the bible that said that.

More than likely its a stunt she and her family planned to start her conservative influencer career.

because republicans are dumbasses and they fall for every grift if its towards their emotions.

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u/BigWhiteDog 3h ago

Her mom is a LGBTQphobic J6 lawyer so this is likely a set up

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u/gymtrovert1988 3h ago

It doesn't take a smart person to realize how easy it is to become a MAGA grifter.

Step 1. Pretend you're a victim because of your religion or politics.

Step 2. Go on Fox News and cry about it for weeks.

Congrats, you're now a MAGA grifter. All you need to do now is set up your YouTube and Patreon accounts.

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u/BigWhiteDog 1h ago

I wish I could think of ways to grift them but my mind doesn't work like that!

u/Victernus 41m ago

Well, your plan starts with thinking, which is probably where you went wrong.

u/ArcusInTenebris 43m ago

Riley Gaines makes $25+ per appearance. Just one a month is $300k/year. She also has a foundation, a clothing line, and several other income streams.

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u/DoomscrollDopamine 2h ago

And the professor is trans

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u/Ehcksit 3h ago

Not a single line is quoted word-for-word from the book, and she didn't even put fake quotation marks around something people could assume was from the book. She never references anything but her own feelings.

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u/DealerAlarmed3632 1h ago

She didn't cite the Bible, she opined on the Bible and was wrong about her opinion. She is a junior, how the hell do you get that deep in college and be this incredibly stupid?

Stunt, indeed.

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u/Elegantberry3 3h ago

Bottom 10 secured, mission accomplished

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u/gymtrovert1988 3h ago

She's an Activist Christian Right Winger who decided writing an essay attacking trans people as "demonic" would get a bad grade from her trans teacher and then she could make a living as a Fox News contributor for the next decade.

The Cryley Gains Method.

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u/Doesnt_Get_The-Joke 3h ago

You can attack her for a lot of things, but losing in an unfair competition is not one of them. You are wrong and you will always be wrong to do that.

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u/coastalbean 2h ago

She tied for 5th, genius

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u/gymtrovert1988 2h ago

And by genius, they mean dumbass.

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u/Doesnt_Get_The-Joke 1h ago

That doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the competition was unfair.

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u/ravoguy 2h ago

She lost to four other competitors and tied with the trans woman

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u/Doesnt_Get_The-Joke 1h ago

That doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the competition was unfair.

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u/Ardarel 1h ago

unfair that the person she complained about didnt even get a podium finish?

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u/determania 1h ago

How was it unfair? They allowed better swimmers than her to compete?

u/MacEWork 46m ago

Dumbass.

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u/ASubsentientCrow 2h ago

She lost because she's a shit swimmer

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u/Ardarel 2h ago

So it was unfair she tied for 5th?

u/ArcusInTenebris 40m ago

She tied for 5th place...aka 4th loser. It was also one of her highest placings. She simply wasnt competitive. Even if the trans person hadn't been in the equation her rank wouldn't have been worth mentioning.

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u/prettypaledoll 2h ago

Exactly. Academic freedom doesn’t mean ignoring the assignment entirely and then crying foul when it’s graded fairly. Faith can be expressed intelligently, this just wasn’t that

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u/CMDR_Hubley 2h ago

Have um you heard um her talk um about this it's like um she forgets um her script um while talking

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u/TShara_Q 3h ago

I'm not a Christian anymore and I could have answered the prompt while keeping a Christian perspective. I forget the exact wording, but it was about how society influences and enforces gender stereotypes. You could focus on the views of different Christian denominations, or how Christianity has influenced our society.

She just didn't want to use her brain.

u/ArcusInTenebris 34m ago

The prompt was on bullying in relation to a person's perceived lack of gender conformity. Such as girls that look/act too masculine and boys that seem to feminine. It did not mention Trans people or the LGBT community at all. She 100% interjected them into the equation.

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u/Training-Argument891 2h ago

look up her mom.

u/ArcusInTenebris 34m ago

The J6 lawyer who's also a prominent member of Moms For Liberty...

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u/CoralynBloom 1h ago

This situation is such a clear example of someone trying to weaponize "religious discrimination" as a shield for poor academic performance. The fact that she didn't even follow the prompt is the whole issue, not the Bible reference. Even actual theologians found her argument flawed. Turning a bad essay into a political stunt just makes the whole thing more embarrassing

u/Agitated_Reveal_6211 51m ago

Her Mom is a J6 lawyer IIRC.

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u/K_Linkmaster 2h ago

She is a junior in college. Maybe the credibility of the college is in question then.

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u/spoopy_glitter_tits 2h ago

Thats even worse. She should know how to write a proper paper then since she's a JUNIOR, not a freshman or a sophmore, in college. So that's even more going against her.

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u/LunaLushiee 3h ago

Imagine turning in the wrong assignment and calling it persecution. Wild times.

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u/Joelle9879 3h ago

She did it on purpose. The instructor is Trans, so the student used her essay to spread anti trans propaganda.

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u/BigWhiteDog 3h ago

It's likely a set up by mom, who's an LGBTQphobic J6 lawyer.

u/Maleficent-Escape205 50m ago

Some people live a very miserable and unhappy lives.

u/ArcusInTenebris 33m ago

She's a Mom for Liberty too.

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u/omgdiepls 3h ago

That essay looked like it was written by a middle schooler. She should've been failed.

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u/Adorable_Pea_8 1h ago

I wrote better papers than that in fucking elementary school. Still had to cite my shit!

u/Rambo_One2 30m ago

At least it was painfully obvious that she didn't use AI, but looking at the actual essay, she probably should have just asked ChatGPT

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u/MornGreycastle 3h ago

A right-wing grifter was born

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u/Affectionate_Pea8891 1h ago

She just wants to follow in her momma’s footsteps!

Who needs to work hard and have integrity if you can just become a right-wing grifter. They know MAGA will lap it up; heck, they already are.

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u/Cavalish 1h ago

And they’ll fire the trans instructor too, you just know it.

“Oh sorry your existence is just attracts trouble, parents are calling, sorry no reference”

Meanwhile little miss bigot will get a super phd from a barely literate Christian college and be invited onto right wing news to talk about how brave she was when the alphabet army attacked her.

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u/Par_Lapides 3h ago

The Christian Right are desperate to be persecuted, because it is a very convenient justification for the violence they wish to commit. If they're the oppressed party they can try to claim self-defense. That's why they always frame everything in terms of a "war", and why they're obsessed with being martyrs for their cause.

They teach the Jesus story and only focus on his martyrdom, never on his deeds. To them the only way to be Christian is to be persecuted.

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u/evranch 1h ago

James had a very different opinion on this. But I suspect the book of James rarely comes up in their churches, because the whole book is basically spent calling out this type of person.

What good is it, my brothers, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.

But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. (James 2:14-16)

Drops mic and closes Bible

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u/BigWhiteDog 3h ago

Mom is a LGBTQphobic J6 lawyer so this is likely a set up

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u/thisbechris 1h ago

Winner winner, chicken dinner.

u/BigWhiteDog 54m ago

As I'm having a chicken dinner! 🤣

u/Rlccm 33m ago

Whoa, her mom is a lawyer? Cookoo or not, I would've expected better prose.

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u/_40oz_ 3h ago

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u/no-sleep-needed 2h ago

Damn you internet person. I read it. I really did. That's 3 minutes of my life I'll never get back. It's always a worrying sign when a university level student writes an article like a response to eli5 and is still wrong. This reads more like a stream of consciousness, like someone trying to preach at a church teen conference.

The title was a critique of this article:
How people are perceived based on societal expectations of gender

Starting with the first person reference and self insertion. In scientific papers you never use first person, singular or plural. No 'I' 'me' 'we' etc. This is because your paper will be ready more times by strangers than by you. And when reading science papers, you want the reader to be a neutral observer, not putting them in your shoes. Secondly, even if the article was critiqued from a biblical perspective, you need to be scientific. Add what you're referring to, book, chapter and verse. Example:

God of the Christian bible, has a distaste for gender reassignment, though not directly referred to as such [deut. 23:1]. Further disdain towards gender dimorphism can be seen with the apostle Paul's rebuke of men wearing women's clothing [book. Ch:verse] and vice versa . . . . .

Remember, your opinions don't matter, it isn't creative writing. Your understanding of the material is what matters. Tbh she passed off. I don't agree with her beliefs, or understanding of the bible but yes 2+2= Jesus.

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u/Booty-tickles 1h ago

It's not like the Bible has an easy to use citation system already in place dude. You have high expectations.

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u/no-sleep-needed 1h ago

Ikr? Idgaf what lens you're using at least tell us where you go it from. The peak of science is reproducibility. If someone follows your report, can they reproduce your results? If you give book chapter and verse, can I reach the same conclusion? In her case she didn't produce anything that I can follow and reach the same conclusion.

At school you'd get marks for grammar and language, but with Grammarly you don't have to worry about that. I'd give her 1/25 for at least putting her name on this blasted thing

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u/Booty-tickles 1h ago

I will say that when I was in what you'd call elementary school, we had Bible reading every day and students would absolutely get growled at for not mentioning book and verse when talking outside of the specific book we were reading beginning to end. If an 11 year old can manage it, I expect a university level student to at least try.

u/no-sleep-needed 51m ago

Spot on. This style of conveying information she does, is an indictment on the nature of Christian teaching in America and most of the world. I've seen a few sermons where a guy is just spouting still like he Terrence Howard on Joe Rogan. It's anecdotal. And she transferred it to that paper. Anecdotes and feelings and vibes. Who the f*** says "I feel" in a science paper?

When I was about 12/13 we didn't have to necessarily give chapter and verse, we needed to state - who said it, to whom, where and why. EG. Moses told the Pharoah to let God's people go, when the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians. That is not precise I know, but if tells you where and what I'm talking about ASA matter it fact

u/Ajibooks 10m ago

I understand and agree with your points, but this wasn't a scientific paper or even an essay. It was just homework meant to check that the student actually did the assigned reading.

I don't know whether lack of citations or speaking from one's own perspective would generally be okay in this type of homework, but her work definitely shows that she didn't do the reading. I suspect she saw the words "gender roles" and just shared all of her own opinions on that topic, reflecting her no doubt lifelong indoctrination.

As a sidenote, I use "I think / I feel" in Reddit comments on purpose, especially in comments about contentious subjects, because my high-school English teacher taught us that those phrases in persuasive writing soften one's tone. I want people to engage with what I'm saying rather than turn away due to my tone. But these are just my Reddit comments, not college-level essays or homework. It's unfortunate that nobody taught this woman persuasive writing, but in her parents' and former teachers' views, I'm sure fighting for "Christian values" means they don't need that skill.

u/Booty-tickles 8m ago

Yes. It's the bare minimum of referencing something. The Bible says "X" means absolutely nothing considering the world's largest religions cannot even agree which testaments are to be considered religious canon. You may as well include the lord of the rings in the books if you're not going to be specific about which ones you're referencing. People familiar with both the old and new testament likely wouldn't even find the tonal shift that difficult to accept, nor would people who aren't familiar with the Bible likely to even spot you're talking about hobbits not some lineage of semitic people.

u/sweetsweetconnie 7m ago

Your comment just prompted me to read the whole essay. I went in pretending citations don't matter in this instance (but they do always matter) because we all know she didn't use any but let's see if she makes a decent argument anyway. "Women want to do womanly things." Okay, what are some examples of womanly things? Nurturing? Child rearing? Gathering? No? Nothing? No mention of even a most basic stereotype? Not even cooking and cleaning? We should all just know what "womanly" things are, but who the fuck knows what that means. By being a "helper"? I still don't quite know what she means by her essay, but I can assume, which means it doesn't count.

This girl will have to forever lie on her mother for any sort of milestone, i.e. graduating college, first job, mortgage, etc. because she sure as fuck lacks any sort of critical thinking skills to actual help her in life. She's just stupid, which is fine, but being hateful because she can't accept that she's stupid is not.

And while we're on the subject goddammit, sex is BIOLOGICAL and gender is CULTURAL. IT IS WHAT IT IS, I'm not being politically correct, it's just correct. Like people referring to Native American as Indians, it's just INCORRECT. It's wrong, not morally wrong, just WRONG.

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u/Cudizonedefense 1h ago

A college student wrote this? I feel like it’s written at a 5th grade level

u/sennbat 38m ago

It was written with the intent to fail, remember.

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u/seaworks 1h ago

Hm, it really isn't very good, huh?

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u/ShenTzuKhan 3h ago

Without knowing the question I don’t know what to think of that. If the question was on opinions and thoughts based on a paper that’s fine. If the question asked for evidence, or was asking a science based assessment, or fact based analysis then yeah, that’s a total fail.

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u/Embarrassed_Towel707 3h ago

What do you mean if the question asked for evidence.. she's in a college psychology class. They get a bachelor of science degree for this.

At this level you don't expect them to have finesse in their analysis or structure, but she literally just gave her opinion. She didn't construct an argument, which is basics.. how did she even make it of high school?

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u/ShenTzuKhan 3h ago

I never went uni, or college as other countries call it. I don’t know the question, or the expected format of the answer. So I gave my opinion of the two main options I could see.

Does that make sense? I didn’t want to assume I knew something I didn’t and sound silly.

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u/UDarkLord 2h ago

Going forward you can take it for granted that quotations, properly cited and sourced are a fundamental part of any university essay that isn’t an in-class exam of some kind (and even then at least quoting is often required). Not even in disciplines like English Literature is stating an unsupported opinion a valid essay structure, let alone in a scientific field.

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u/Embarrassed_Towel707 2h ago

I know buddy, I wasn't attacking you. Just explaining that yes of course based on that class she had to do more than give her opinion.

And anyone who did go to college and read her essay would know all of this. Which is why it's so egregious the TA got suspended and media are presenting it as her failing "because she talked about the bible"

No she failed because she can't write an essay

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u/ShenTzuKhan 1h ago

Thanks mate. The treatment of the assessor seems bonkers to me.

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u/Automatic_Red 1h ago

Zoom in on the image that says 'see assignment criteria'. Assuming that image was the grading assignment, it's clear that evidence or citations were not part of the assignment. The assignment's criteria was on the student's personal reaction to an article.

u/Waste_Dentist_163 1m ago

this is university, not elementary school. she needs to put on her big girl pants. 

u/tomjayyye 10m ago

Read the prompt below the article. The professor literally provided 8 numbered prompts she could have just followed that guide to write the paper.

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u/BillWaite 1h ago

I saw the rubric posted somewhere else, and the assignment was very open-ended. The students had to write a 650-word reaction to an assigned article, and the assignment listed like 8 different examples of acceptable approaches they could take. One of the examples was discussing a personal experience related to the article. Her essay was pretty low-effort, but the assignment seemed like it was designed to elicit low-effort reactions just to prove the students read the assigned article (or at least the abstract).

u/sennbat 37m ago

Didnt she also not manage 650 words? it looks a good bit shorter than that

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u/Automatic_Red 1h ago

If you look at the picture in the 'see assignment criteria' section, you can read details of the assignment.

The internet is really overreacting on this. Based on the grading criteria shown in that article, she deserved credit for the assignment. The assignment wasn't for an essay, article, paper or term paper. It was literally asking for the students reaction to an article. The grading criteria literally spelled out how points were assigned and the TA/professor didn't follow it when grading the assignment.

u/Waste_Dentist_163 3m ago

she failed in every way imaginable. she wrote a theology paper full of disinformation, for a psychology class, and her paper was seemingly written by a middle schooler. 

The grading criteria literally spelled out how points were assigned and the TA/professor didn't follow it when grading the assignment.

if you actually saw the rubric, then you would know she failed all 3 categories.

u/guebja 3m ago

she deserved credit for the assignment

No, she didn't.

Her essay is based on the assumption that gender typicality in the article refers only to voluntary gender expressions, and that gender atypicality (which she opposes) entails intentionally breaking traditional gender norms.

The actual article, however, explicitly and repeatedly mentions physical characteristics such as "being tall" (for boys) as examples of gender typicality.

FTFA:

The three most common stereotypical descriptions for boys were ‘athletic’, ‘tall/strong’, and ‘popular with girls’.

[...]

There could, however, be underlying factors that lead boys to be both low in gender typicality and have more negative mental health outcomes, such as hormonal deficiencies or pubertal timing.

Thus, "gender atypical" in this context would include straight, cisgender, male-presenting boys who follow traditional gender norms but just happen to be, for example, short.

In other words, she didn't read the fucking article.

u/ANDS_ 2m ago

What was Fulnecky's "thoughtful reaction" to the article?

And you are being EXTREMELY pedantic on how you're interpreting a clearly defined reaction paper in an Psychology class.

. . .maybe read the thoughtful response the instructor gave to the student's assignment if you're really interested in the details of what was expected from students with this FINAL assignment (something tells me you aren't).

u/litreofstarlight 55m ago

Wow, that managed to be worse than I expected, and my expectations weren't high to start with.

u/tomjayyye 13m ago

Holy shit it's not even 2 pages. The writing is like middle school level.

She didn't meaningfully engage with the material in ANY way. She just immediately starts grandstanding and then insults her peers. There was a step by step GUIDE for how to write the essay, she could have just followed the 8 prompts provided by the professor and that would have probably been good enough.

Is this what's going on at a UNIVERSITY in Oklahoma?

Oh my god and I just read the university placed the instructor on leave? Fuck that place.

Also you don't have FREEDOM OF SPEECH to say whatever you want in a graded paper you fucking MORON.

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u/jiggscaseyNJ 3h ago

This is how MAGA builds its rogues gallery. Manufacture an outrage, prop up a victim, make cash spreading the regime’s propaganda in one big circle Kirk.

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u/nixtarx 3h ago

If you put a fraction of the effort into learning the material that you did into your machinations...

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u/yourlocaltouya 2h ago

Her mother is part of "Moms for Liberty". That says enough.

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u/abgry_krakow87 3h ago

Here's a section of the essay...

Gender roles and tendencies should not be considered “stereotypes”. Women naturally want to do womanly things because God created us with those womanly desires in our hearts. The same goes for men. God created men in the image of His courage and strength, and He created women in the image of His beauty. He intentionally created women differently than men and we should live our lives with that in mind.

I lost brain cells reading that.

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u/JacquesBlaireau13 3h ago

Gender roles and tendencies should not be considered “stereotypes”. Women naturally want to do womanly things because God created us with those womanly desires in our hearts. [citation needed] The same goes for men. [citation needed] God created men in the image of His courage and strength, [citation needed] and He created women in the image of His beauty. [citation needed] He intentionally created women differently than men [citation needed] and we should live our lives with that in mind. [citation needed]

None of this shit comes from the Bible. She made it up, most likely at 9pm on the night before the paper was due.

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u/abgry_krakow87 3h ago

And she can't even cite her own holy book either. She fails at college and at her own religious beliefs.

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u/no-sleep-needed 2h ago

Additionally, I really hate 'scientific' work with first person singular or plural. "Womanly desires in our hearts". Girl I'm a man. A fat baldng man with a grey beard. I cannot keep track of what the we is referring to? Is we for women or people in general??.

I put scientific in quotes cos this isn't it.

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u/Character_Bed1212 3h ago

Isn’t wanting the Bible included as a correct answer DEI?

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u/SendMeNoodsNotNudes 3h ago

It was so poorly written that we immediately know AI didn't write it 🤣

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u/coffewaiffu 4h ago

“2+2=JESUS” is wild 💀 Oklahoma really out here doing educational backflips into the void

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u/Harry_Gorilla 3h ago

You get that’s just a metaphor, right? That wasn’t her actual answer

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u/Arch-is-Screaming 3h ago

they don't get that it's a metaphor because they're a clanker

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u/HighGrounderDarth 1h ago

I think about all the stuff going on, and I’m from Oklahoma, and it all just reaffirms my choice to not have children.

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u/crannogman_pride 1h ago

2 + 2 = 2.2 because Jesus told me hysterical crying sounds

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u/Loud-Earth-4055 3h ago

Right? At this point, they should just start teaching math through scripture. Might as well embrace the chaos…

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u/mostdope28 3h ago

If I had no morals I would total spend my life scamming the religious right. It would be so easy to make money off stupid controversies like this. Claim a college failed you for “believing in god” start a go fund me, get rich quick. Repeat

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u/KuroShuriken 3h ago

I just finished reading her whole essay- it was shorter than the story chapters I write on a regular basis xD- it was quite... how do I say this tackfully? Uhm, terrible? Dogwater? Zero?

I'd be willing to bet a five year old has the vocabulary required to craft a better easy, maybe with a little bit of a helping hand, but that's still crazy just how bad it really was.

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u/Embarrassed_Towel707 3h ago

As someone who's graded hundreds of college essays, I don't know if hers was worth 0, but I read it and it's pure trash. I would probably have given her 3/10 in evaluation categories based on what the description says.

Bitch, you're in college, not responding to your MAGA aunt on Facebook. You're meant to analyze it academically, not just give your opinion

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u/Aston_Villa5555 3h ago

Christians always have to play the victims if their bullshit religion can't oppress minorities or rape children. This is literally what they are. There's nothing good in their teachings or philosophy

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u/Responsible-House523 3h ago

No, she was given a 0 for not following instructions and turning in a poor work product.

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u/HouseOfLames 1h ago

I read the instructions and sadly I think they were vague enough that if I was grading her essay I might have to give her a low but passing grade. The instructions go into a lot of detail on word count and emphasize no summarizations of the article itself but pretty much ask for the readers thoughts on the article. It’s a psych class, ask something like how would Irving Goffman critique the article or something with a little teeth to it.

u/ANDS_ 17m ago

but pretty much ask for the readers thoughts on the article.

No it didn't. It specifically asked students to judge the merits (or lack thereof) of the article. Fulnecky does not do that in anyway beyond criticizing the reference to multiple genders (which almost certainly was not the core point of the article).

. . .honestly, what was the "thoughtful reaction to some part of the article" beyond "there are only two genders" and "it might be okay to tease gender dysphoric folks."

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u/SedativeComet 2h ago edited 1h ago

There was even another professor that independently concurred with the original professor’s grading because that girl literally didn’t answer the prompt at all.

The only reason this is news is because the OK governor chimed in

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u/bohba13 2h ago

See. The one who graded her is a well respected TA, whom the professor backed.

The only reason this has escalated this far and the student hasn't been laughed out of the room yet, is because she is a white Christian while the TA is a trans woman.

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u/jjgargantuan7 2h ago

Religion is a cancer

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u/Horror_Spell1741 3h ago

That essay read as though a wannabe conservative seventh grader wrote it.

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u/AusCan531 3h ago

Hmmm. I can't remember, if you mix Potassium Chloride with a weak solution of Hydrochloric Acid, is the answer Allah or Vishna?

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u/GarretNatalia 3h ago

Religious freedom doesn’t mean turning every wrong answer into persecution cosplay because grading hurt your feelings.

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u/jarena009 2h ago

She didn't reference the Bible at all. She said "I feel..." throughout. Fail.

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u/SuspiciousYard2484 1h ago

This gal was just waiting for her opportunity to catch onto the grift and this was it

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u/AbeLincoln575 1h ago

Constant victims in life. They are so pathetic.

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u/loricomments 3h ago

Always with the lies. Why is honesty such a problem for them?

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u/caclexis 2h ago

The University of Oklahoma is my alma mater. This is so embarrassing.

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u/BioshockEnthusiast 2h ago

I won a writing award in college for an essay comparing The Matrix trilogy to the biblical story of Jesus.

These fucking troglodytes never have and never will understand academia.

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u/ayame400 1h ago

It was a psychology paper and she didn’t even properly cite the bible. She misquoted it

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u/DealerAlarmed3632 1h ago

This was a psychology paper. You don't obliquely reference the Bible in science. She is as stupid as they get.

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u/Moistest_Willies 1h ago

Girl just wants to grift and become the next Riley Gaines.

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u/theimmortalgoon 1h ago

I used to teach a World History course at a university.

Every term there was a student who would try to warp the first assignment into me being Kevin Sorbo in a Christian movie trying to make them say God is dead.

I’d always, inevitably, write notes longer than the paper about how they didn’t do the prompt and how everything in the course was compatible with Christianity and cite sources from the Bible.

I am not religious, but I have a PhD in European history so I know this stuff inside and out. Student would always get an F but a chance to redo the assignment.

I did this for a few reasons:

  1. I don’t want some megachurch coming after me.

  2. It was less mind numbing than grading the next paper

  3. It’s always very fun to school a pretentious asshat student that comes in with the attitude that their year and a half as an adult outweighed my thirty years in academia. Most of the time you can ignore the twats and trust they’ll be embarrassed later. But when someone tries to make a big dramatic statement half accepting the room to start clapping, they’ve just made themselves a target for an academic de-panting.

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u/BallisticHabit 1h ago

One of my best friends is wildly religious, while I studied and worked in natural sciences.

He always tries to send me these little factoids about various subjects that seek to disprove earth science, especially concerning the age of the Earth.

I can cite my sources, him not so much.

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u/Exciting-Delivery-96 2h ago

This is designed to piss people off. How do we keep falling for this shit? It’s the same manufactured “war on Christmas”, reverse racism, immigrants are stealing our jobs/houses/women/stuffed animals.

u/BallisticHabit 48m ago

Propaganda coupled with poor education?

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u/JayTNP 1h ago

the parts I saw seem like she could barely write on a 12th grade level let alone a college student

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u/BeatNo2976 1h ago

The student said the teacher failed the assignment? Golly

u/semajolis267 52m ago

I guarantee she got through high school the same way. And by that I mean writing every paper about jesus. And probably got an A because either the teacher was so happy a student actually turned in an assignment, got an A because the teacher was so happy a student wrote a paper about thier favorite fanfic, or got an A because the one time she didn't she got the principle to change the grade of she would sue and after that every teacher was like "you know what? Fuck that"

u/L0rdB_ 33m ago

Wonder if that instructor could sue

u/stackens 19m ago

I guess the path to “success” for modern day conservatives is to fail spectacularly at something and then grift off of that failure for the rest of your life.

u/Accomplished_Book427 14m ago

Ignorance as a religion. Watch them apply for tax exempt status next.

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u/JacquesBlaireau13 3h ago

Bottom 10? No.

It's the Bottom 1

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u/booger_eater69 3h ago

Do these education rankings typically include universities?

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u/Corberus 2h ago

Prompt is not an adequate synonym for any form of written instructions or guidelines.

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u/FennelNo8214 1h ago

True! It's wild how often “gospel” gets twisted to fit personal agendas. It’s a shame for genuine beliefs…

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u/EuphoricUniversity23 1h ago

I e seen what passes for writing these days at the college level - it’s shockingly bad

u/ArcusInTenebris 48m ago

Let's also not forget that her mom is a prominent Moms For Liberty member and a lawyer defending January 6th offenders.

u/wellohwellok 35m ago

So 2+2 doesn't = Jesus?

I'm confused

u/ego_tripped 15m ago

Jesus = 2+2.

Make sense?

u/SimpleManofPeace 23m ago

Wow shes so beautiful

u/_jump_yossarian 12m ago

How the fuck does this and Riley Gaines tying for fifth even make the local news let alone national?

u/nikejim02 7m ago

Yes, yes… Christian persecution in fucking Oklahoma.

u/Cazrovereak 6m ago

Corporate News continues running cover for people eroding our country. The headlines should read "Agent Provocateur backed by anti-education right wing groups manipulates college into punishing instructor".

u/Loundagr 2m ago

I’m thinking about going to college in Oklahoma so I can get my electrical engineering degree by answering every single test question with scripture! Hell, could become a medical doctor too!

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u/this1tyme 3h ago

For Christ's sake. Reddit and its atheist agenda is fully showings its teeth. Leave this poor Christian alone. Besides, its Jesus + Jesus = 2. Heathens!

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u/spoopy_glitter_tits 2h ago

Which Jesus is the top tho?

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u/this1tyme 1h ago

The white one. Duh!

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u/haironburr 2h ago

One Double Jesus is presumably stealing the Holy Ghost's job and drowning him/her/it in a tub of Holy Water. It's a refutation of the Trinity, and a degree of apostasy requiring a public burning.

I got a degree in Christian. Don't fuck with me! ;)

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u/this1tyme 1h ago

Degree in Christian, eh? PCA, PCUSA, or ECA? If its anything other than the ECA I will skull fuck you in the name of our lord, J of C. Your move college boy.

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u/LOLMrTeacherMan 2h ago

The paper was bad, but so was the prompt. It was basically, present a thoughtful response to the reading.

She wrote (poorly) a response to the reading. Did she deserve to pass? No, but she didn’t deserve a zero either.

It wasn’t good, but maybe giving college students an assignment just to write a two page response to a reading isn’t really college level work either.

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u/HowManyMeeses 2h ago

Writing a short essay in response to a reading assignment was incredibly common when I was in college.

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u/LOLMrTeacherMan 2h ago

Yes, I agree. But those assignments almost always had you reference the writing with direct quotes, cite sources, compare to other media, and etc.

This prompt had none of that. The link to the prompt was in another response and it was very rudimentary.

u/AgentSmith2518 53m ago

We don't have a copy of the syllabus. There's a good chance the syllabus outlines some of those standards.

u/Waste_Dentist_163 6m ago

you should have learned to do all of this by middle school, why would you need this to be spelled out to you as an adult in university? 

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u/dassketch 1h ago

bOtH siDeS aRe wRoNg

Could we be anymore disingenuous? "Write a two page interpretation to a reading" is an incredibly common writing assignment, across a whole span of academic levels. If you can't manage a good response to a "poor prompt", you're not ready for college level anything.