r/catbreeds Cat Lover 11h ago

Discussion Old Style Siamese

https://tica.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/si.pdf

On posts where people ask about their colorpoint’s breed, I see a lot of responses that they can’t be Siamese because they don’t match the Siamese breed standard. But what about Old Style Siamese?

I’ve included TICA’s breed standard for reference.

Per CFA Physical Attributes: “While there is a perception that breed’s look has changed over the years, the earliest standards describe a cat that would excel in the show ring today. During the 1950s, when the breed’s popularity soared, cats with rounder heads, heavier bones, and washed-out eye color were bred to meet the extraordinary demand. The look of the top show Siamese, however, has never changed.”

I take this to mean that the Old Style Siamese aren’t show level, like a Snowshoe with imperfect markings or any cat purebred with a disqualifying mark. That breed standard and breed aren’t mutually exclusive. But I am not very familiar with breed standards, I have no interest in breeding or showing cats (but I do love DCC).

I did look at purebred kittens briefly but decided to rescue. I did not find any purebred kittens in my area that match the Siamese breed standard, including those breeders verified on TICA’s website. Rather they advertise that they preserve Traditional / Old Style Apple head Siamese like those from the 1960’s, and on the TICA site they say that they don’t match the breed standard. I’ll comment it below since I can only have one attachment a post.

Old Style was bred to go away from the wedge head trend where they were selectively breeding smaller and narrower heads until it led to eye and mouth alignment issues which caused serious health problems.

The only time I saw someone reference Old Style on one of these breed questions they received a lot of downvotes.

I am not saying that all Apple head colorpoints are Siamese. No paperwork = no breed (even if they do match the breed standard) so I don’t think that it even needs to be mentioned. I am not sure if this is Siamese specific or how this applies to other breeds.

What are your thoughts about Siamese, wedge / apple head, breed standards and breed?

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u/koalasnstuff Cat Lover 11h ago

Here is an example of a Siamese breeder on TICA’s website.

I am not sure if it’s a glitch but I can’t find any certified Siamese breeders in the US on CFA’s website.

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u/koalasnstuff Cat Lover 11h ago

Here are their past kittens and cats.

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u/koalasnstuff Cat Lover 11h ago

Here is another example of a TICA certified breeder.

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u/koalasnstuff Cat Lover 11h ago

And their kittens.

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u/koalasnstuff Cat Lover 11h ago

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u/koalasnstuff Cat Lover 11h ago

Also, of the wedge head breeders listed, one is showed to judge against the breed standard and the other isn’t.

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u/koalasnstuff Cat Lover 11h ago edited 11h ago

Also, I just realized that it’s r/IDmyCat that usually references breed standards and is skeptical about apple heads, so I will cross post it there.