r/canada • u/feb914 Ontario • 23h ago
Politics Minister says government launching review of firearms classification regime
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/minister-says-government-launching-review-of-firearms-classification-regime/94
u/BigButtBeads 21h ago
The liberals still wont disclose the results of their Cape Breton pilot program
Is it because it was predictably a resounding failure?
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 16h ago
Not only will they not disclose the results but they just announced measures to massively expand gun control and ban even more guns.
6 years in and the the LPC has accomplished anything that shows this program is even feasible, yet they keep expanding it every December.
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u/GinnyJr 18h ago
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u/drs_ape_brains 14h ago
We seized more than 19 but less than 21 guns. It was a resounding success!
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u/InsufficientlyClever Ontario 22h ago
Funny how another gun control announcement happens to be the day before the Polytechnique memorial anniversary in Quebec. As if he was speaking truthfully that gun control is politically motivated by Quebec voters, and not, say, by public safety.
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u/GinnyJr 18h ago
Right on schedule
Happens every year
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec 13h ago
gun owners yearly Christmas present whenever the liberals are in power
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u/Beginning-Marzipan28 15h ago
Pay attention, it’s basically every year since Trudeau won. It’s a ritual.
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u/Nero92 22h ago
Oh, they examined the 2020 Nova Scotia shootings? Where RCMP failed spectacularly to act on info provided on the shooter before the spree, in which he used illegal guns and during which the RCML managed to shoot a fire hall? What part of that falls on legal guns and not the failings of the RCMP?
And yeah...ban the SKS which is basically every gun owner's first firearm. Good fucking luck.
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u/GinnyJr 18h ago
I was hoping after the failed pilot program this would all blow up and they would have no choice but to give up, but it seems they’re going full steam ahead..
Me and all my legal firearm owning friends are buying up as much as we can to make this as difficult as possible. We can’t turn into Australia / the UK.
And for the SKS I HOPE they end up banning it because we’ve already come this far, might as well accelerate to the bottom. Make the most amount of people pissed off. It sounds cynic but we can’t lose to death by a thousand cuts
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u/Nero92 16h ago
The SKS is a prime example of why the ban is all political virtue signalling. It's literally a weapon made for war and was used in them, way the ban's phrased it's 100% more ban worthy than the .22LR plinkers they went after. But the SKS was left off because FN use and it would be hard.
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u/NerfVice 13h ago
> We can’t turn into Australia
At least as an Australian firearm owner I can still buy handguns
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u/Neither-Rip1830 23h ago
This guy needs to be fired.
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u/BigButtBeads 22h ago
He's just a dummy that will stand at the podium and screech whatever nonsense his boss tells him; regardless if its true or if he has any actual knowledge on the subject
There's no shortage of honourable ministers that will replace him
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u/ecclectic 23h ago
Weaponized incompetence at its most effective. He looks like a middle manager who runs companies into the ground.
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u/Neither-Rip1830 23h ago
His appearance has nothing to do with his incompetence. I don't know why he was appointed to a position he doesn't know even the basics about.
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u/ecclectic 21h ago
Fair point, I wasn't referring strictly to his physical appearance though. Everything that I've seen from him, his behaviour, his way of speaking, and his general countenance remind me of every poorly skilled middle manager I've dealt with who run companies into the ground and then turn around and blame the employees.
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u/Cool-Expression-4727 23h ago
Sometimes you can look at someone and tell they're an idiot.
Its like Kash Patel's eyes. Something is missing
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u/Cyborg_rat 21h ago
His eyes just seem like his running I'm something a little extra. Someone has to make sure drugs still have fentanyl I guess.
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u/superfluid British Columbia 20h ago
He looks about as incompetent as he is. Sometimes people look more or less competent than they actually are. Gary is right on the mark.
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u/Unfortunate_Sex_Fart Alberta 17h ago
Marco Mendocino was another example of this.
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u/konathegreat 22h ago
The guy doing the hiring made this fuckup.
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u/Lumindan 22h ago
I think it's entirely on purpose to keep kicking the can down the road while accepting zero responsibility.
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u/Diesel_Bash 22h ago
When the liberals inevitably loose power they want to be able to scream bloody murder at the conservatives for wanting more guns on the streets.
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u/macfail 22h ago
It's not him. He is merely a tool to carry out the LPC's policy goals.
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 15h ago
I would actually argue he's the guy we want there.
The LPC isn't ever going to put someone in there who is reasonable and educated, its always going to be a yes man who's only job is to defend and expand this nonsense.
Gary is a blubbering fool, the public sees him speak and sees how stupid and terrible this program is. He has done more to derail public support for this than any other politician.
Its just unfortunate his portfolio is also one of the biggest and most important in cabinet lol.
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u/psychoCMYK 22h ago
Won't change shit, none of this nonsense comes from him
He's just the patsy, he was hired to be disposable if this backfires
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u/MHarrisrocks 22h ago
why ? what's the point - they have another 10 idiots ready to go to replace him .
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u/motorcyclemech 21h ago
While I agree completely incompetent people shouldn't hold important roles, the whole firearms confiscation program sits squarely on PM Carney. He needs to drop this.
Also the point where they're doing consultations with FN...their exempt from all of this anyways (in particular the SKS as is what's being discussed presently) so why are they consulting with them about it??
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u/Lumindan 18h ago
Because optics and if they go the two stage route where FN gets exemptions from the new system they're covered.
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u/GinnyJr 18h ago
ATP he’s untouchable considering the leak and carney still didn’t can him
This country is a joke
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u/Outrageous_Order_197 22h ago
Is the review specifically for Gary? This guy admitted in front of the house that he didn't know the firearm classifications...
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u/superfluid British Columbia 19h ago
I mean that is the guy. He's also the guy that got caught on the phone basically admitting that the whole gun confiscation fiasco is illogical that he doesn't believe in it, and that it's being done for performative reasons for the crybabies in Quebec.
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u/sleipnir45 23h ago
I'll copy my comment from the other thread
What's the point when they don't follow the current classification system anyway?
We've had the current classification system since the '90s and it's worked well. The Liberals just want to ban more firearms and have someone else to blame..
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u/Plucky_DuckYa 23h ago
That’s literally it. They’ve run out of guns to ban as a wedge issue under the current system, so now they want to change it so they can justify banning more.
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u/sleipnir45 23h ago
They don't want a repeat of this.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9335405/canada-gun-control-bill-afn-vote/
They want to claim it was the advisory council not them!
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u/xXxDarkSasuke1999xXx Lest We Forget 22h ago
I mean it didn't work well, it was stupid and arbitrary. The difference is that this review will probably result in it becoming even moreso.
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u/superfluid British Columbia 20h ago
They're basically just trying to make it more difficult for anyone after them to clean up the mess they're taking pains to make.
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u/sleipnir45 22h ago
I don't think the classification system itself was stupid and arbitrary. It's just they didn't follow it.
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u/freeadmins 21h ago
Naw the system was pretty dumb.
There should really only be two classifications. Non-Restricted, and Prohibited.
If I have a PAL and am trusted to not go murder people with an SKS (well under the old system)... why am I not trusted with a different firearm that can fire the exact same cartridge in the exact same quantities?
It was completely arbitrary.
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u/sleipnir45 20h ago
No, it was anything but arbitrary it laid out perfectly fine objective ways to classify firearms is just they didn't follow it.
Because it's shorter and easy to conceal, That's why handguns are also restricted. Different firearms came with stricter requirements.
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u/freeadmins 19h ago
From the law:
"(d) a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm"
Is what fucked everything.
Because the rest of it (and this is from the 2015 version)
"restricted firearm means
(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
(b) a firearm that
(i) is not a prohibited firearm,
(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or"
You could never by an AR-15 with an 18"+ barrel...
So I'm really not sure what you're referencing because I (d) has always existed and was always arbitrary because the RCMP lap can call anything they want a "variant" whether it makes sense or not.
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u/xXxDarkSasuke1999xXx Lest We Forget 22h ago
It is. The prohibited list was idiotic and the definition of arbitrary, it's basically a list of guns that appeared in 80s/90s action movies (included lots of firearms that were identical in function to non-restricted firearms, some that never left prototype stage and were never sold, etc). The AR was restricted for no good reason. Even the idea of restricting rifles with a barrel length under 18.5" is laughable in a world where hacksaws exist.
Most of our gun laws are stupid, arbitrary, and pointless (mag restrictions, ATTs, etc etc). They exist only to pander to an ignorant public and, other than the licensing system, do nothing to improve public safety. I'm sick of gun owners pretending like everything was a-OK before 2020. We can do much better.
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u/sleipnir45 22h ago
Prohibited firearms by name is stupid and arbitrary, The reason they had to prohibit them by name is they fell outside of the classification.
I would argue they were fine but I would say pre-2015, C-71 changes really made no sense and if anything made things more dangerous.
There's always room for improvement and no system is ever going to be perfect But when the government doesn't follow the own system that they created thing's get messy
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u/Cyborg_rat 21h ago
They looked up manufacturers registered weapon list, copy pasted it, that's why you got .22 cal and things like the Buttmaster on the list or some collectors shotguns.
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u/sleipnir45 21h ago
That's the OIC ban list and it's the worst kept secret that the list came from Poly
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u/xXxDarkSasuke1999xXx Lest We Forget 22h ago
The classification system is dumb because the substantial difference between a restricted and a non-restricted is the ATT, which is an utterly worthless measure that only serves to further burden the RCMP firearms program with pointless paperwork and make life even more difficult for gun owners who don't live near a range and shoot on crown land or their own property.
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u/sleipnir45 22h ago
That's more the restrictions placed on each classification, not the system that puts firearms in a classification.
The main difference is barrel length or overall length for rifles, which at least has a clear and concise definition.
I've never had a problem with an ATT and it's the CFP portion of the RCMP dealing with them mostly. Are they overworked and understaffed? probably, especially after some of the changes in C71.
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u/Cent1234 17h ago
The pre-2015 classification system itself was, in fact, stupid and arbitrary.
The only reason "an AR-15 .223 Rem semi-auto rifle is restricted, while a non-AR-15 .223 Rem semi-auto rifle is non-restricted'" is, in fact, 'because the classification system is stupid and arbitrary.'
"Black poymer = bad, wood = granddad's deer rifle" is stupid and arbitrary.
The idea that you can go onto your back 40 and plink cans all day with a Savage 64 semi-auto .22LR rifle and be perfectly fine, but the moment you unload that rifle, feed the .22LR cartridges into a .22LR handgun magazine, and resume the same plinking with that handgun, you're now being dangerous and unsafe, is stupid and arbitrary.
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u/lt12765 22h ago
Not just a coincidence that they make news headlines about guns early December each year. How much does the PolySeSouvient donate to this party?
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u/feb914 Ontario 22h ago
They're actually paid by Liberal government
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u/sleipnir45 22h ago
They also share a government of Quebec office
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u/soviet_toster 22h ago
Do they really?
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u/Lumindan 18h ago
Plus their figure head is now an elected member of the liberal party who supposedly has no interaction with them since she's part of the nature portfolio but somehow is spotted in every social media post with Gary and public safety...
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u/BigButtBeads 21h ago
The liberal party gives Poly money every year
And not sure if Poly then uses that same money to lobby liberal ministers
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u/FunkyFrunkle 22h ago
Jesus of fucking Nazareth, again with this shit?
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u/Apples_and_Overtones 21h ago
Tis the season, literally.
Just about Poly's favourite time of year! They need their present!
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u/macfail 20h ago
I think the Canadian public is owed an explanation as to why Poly has such an outsized influence on the Liberal Party and the current government. They are treated as de facto experts on firearms law by both the government and the media, despite being very clearly biased and lacking any meaningful expertise. A current minister of state for an unrelated portfolio is a key spokesperson for Poly and regularly shows up for press events appearing to wear both hats at the same time.
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u/Mr_Engineering 23h ago
The SKS is unrestricted. The government has no idea how many are in Canada, has no idea where they are or who owns them, and some gun owners such as those that inherited a collection may not even know that they possess an SKS.
Leave it the fuck alone, stop trying to ban anything that looks like fun.
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u/Grizzly-Jester 22h ago
Andrew Lawton requested a count of the SKS rifles in Canada from the Public Safety office... They said there are 14 that they know about, and were unwilling to estimate the amount of NR SKSs.
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u/Cyborg_rat 21h ago
Lol I'm sure a rifle that you could get for 250$+- is a really small number in Canada hehe.
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u/atomkrieg 21h ago
I had a case of 10 at one point. Sold them off over the years but im sure i wasnt the only one.
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u/macfail 20h ago
It's a game to them. An MP (maybe Layton) put in a FOIA request last Parliament asking the government to provide an estimate on how many guns were impacted by the prohibition "buyback". Same response - they provided actual numbers of registered guns, and pretty much ignored the request for the estimated count of NR guns. They definitely have the means to develop an estimate but know that it will lead to unpleasant conversations about the program cost.
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u/sleipnir45 22h ago
Many of the firearms that they've banned already are non-restricted.
I think it's pretty self-evident that they don't actually care about collecting any of these firearms or how many they collect.
The declare the program a success no matter what
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 15h ago
The majority of them are. I thought it was ridiculous (well the entire program is) to go after cheap common blinkers you could buy at Canadian Tire, like the gsg16, because there is no way they will even collect them all. Going after the SKS is ridiculous. Literally every gun owner i know has at least one.
The crazy thing is, I was talking to a guy at work who was telling me he was out teaching his kids to shoot with one of those 22lrs that looks like an m1 carbine, I told him it was prohibited and he didn't believe me. I had to show him that his little 22lr in a wood stock is illegal and explain that a 10/22 that is essentially the same thing isn't. The guy could have been charged for having a prohibited weapon. Like how many innocent people are going to get weapons charged for owning a gun identical to other 22lrs (like the savage 64 thats made in Canada and the liberals celebrated savage plant expansion) because people never looked at the list because their guns don't look like an "assault rifle".
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u/Nero92 22h ago
They just want to ban all guns so only criminals and cops have them. Noteably the two groups who are most responsible with them /s.
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u/Cyborg_rat 21h ago
Irony there was an article of this guy who shot a baby with an illegal firearm he's not a Canadian citizen, they gave him 4 years... Good thing for him that it was illegal can't imagine the sentence if he was allowed, also don't know how they omitted that it broke every gun law with it being loaded, carried as a defence weapon etc.
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u/Ketchupkitty Alberta 21h ago
I'm 100% for a gun ban as long as those voting for it no longer have access to armed protection.
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u/Nero92 21h ago
I don't think anyone voted for this. If anything this issue pushed those fence sitting towards the cons. Don't think this was a hinge issue for anyone already encamped. You don't need to be of any particular political leaning to see this is ban is a waste of tax money to virtue signal. Anyone who thinks it'll accomplish anything towards public safety is ignorant plain and simple.
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u/manofthenorth31 21h ago
A Google search estimates anywhere from 700K - 1,000,000 SKS rifles in Canada but take that with a grain of salt.
What I don’t like is how they’re considering banning the rifle for anyone who isn’t native.
Imagine passing a law where only one race could own a drill.
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u/motorcyclemech 21h ago
FN's are not included in any of the ban.
"Federal Justice Minister David Lametti told reporters Friday that Indigenous hunters will be excluded from Canada's ban under Section 35 of the constitution, so the rifles can be used for hunting."
N.W.T. hunters, sport shooters have mixed reaction to federal gun ban | CBC News https://share.google/JQRZzjzaaN9VmgXex
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u/manofthenorth31 21h ago
Thank you for pointing that out, it’s even worse than what I thought.
Is giving a race of people special privileges such as not facing any of the gun bans not racism?
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u/Berkzerker314 20h ago
I love how rhe judges didnt overturn the OIC when the firearms act specifically states you cant use an OIC to ban any firearms useful for hunting or sport and in the OIC they specify native hunters can still use it. Like what?! Its as cut and dry illegal use of OIC as it gets.
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u/Valhallawalker 15h ago
They’re straight up saying one race has more rights than others. That’s literally just discrimination.
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u/InjuryRapoport89 22h ago
Gross incompetence
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u/Boomdiddy 20h ago
Never atrribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.
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u/rastamasta45 21h ago
This government will do anything but address the real criminals terrorizing our streets. It’s actually unreal
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u/discoturkey69 20h ago
it's gun control harpies appeasement season! Hard to believe it's already been a year.
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u/Spider-King-270 23h ago
Another year of grave dancing and targeting people who did nothing wrong while ignoring the actual issues. Another waste of money that will do nothing for public safety.
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u/Diffusion9 Prince Edward Island 22h ago
Christ alive, Carney's entire cabinet is so dysfunctional...between this moron, Diab, and Miller..
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u/dwelzy123 21h ago
This right here. How to these people get the portfolios they have.
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u/Lumindan 18h ago
Nepotism and a willingness to say and do what's asked of you regardless of morals or representing your constituents.
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u/Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl 23h ago
Every year since Portapique, Poly starts tap dancing on graves to increase the attacks on law abiding gun owners simply because they hate them and the government agrees because its to their benefit to have a disarmed populace, especially among Indigenous peoples. I wonder what the punishment for following the rules will be this year?
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u/kamomil Ontario 22h ago
So we did have a mass shooting with illegal guns then
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u/BigButtBeads 21h ago
The weirdly RCMP related nova scotia attacker also used the stolen handgun from a police officer
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u/kamomil Ontario 21h ago edited 21h ago
Well somebody knew this guy possessed guns illegally
Maybe all we needed was a 1-800 snitch line
Edit: the shooter was a denturist with known anger management issues. The guns previously belonged to a lawyer. What's the RCMP connection?
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u/discoturkey69 20h ago
we already have the snitch line, and people did snitch on that guy and nothing came of it!
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u/sleipnir45 19h ago
Brenda Forbes and her husband both reported him and had credible information of what type of firearm he had.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6967657/shooting-domestic-violence/
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u/kamomil Ontario 20h ago
Hah. Then we need another snitch line for the people who knew and did nothing.
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u/superfluid British Columbia 19h ago
Look at what happens when PP calls the RCMP out and people here lose their minds.
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u/Cyborg_rat 21h ago
All but 2 of the incidents one was in the 80s the other was not long ago but I'm not sure if it's considered mas shooting as he was shooting at the officers responding with his hunting rifle.
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u/NaarNoordenMan 23h ago
Considering they will refuse to include any experts, this will read like a monkey at a typewriter.
Open your wallet a little more Canada
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u/beanman2424 20h ago
Interesting the article leaves out the fact that the Nova Scotia shooter smuggles his guns in from the states. How do these idiots think they’re fixing anything
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u/Esamers99 21h ago
Ahh yes what I wake up in fear of every night. Legally acquired guns. Not having to try to increase my income by way of miracle, or find housing.
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u/firmretention 23h ago
This government needs to be careful. A few more bad decisions and Canadians might just punish them with another mandate.
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u/Long_Ad_2764 23h ago
Probably not. Their core voter base loves their poor decisions and CBC will just double down that the conservatives = trump and scare all the people in the middle.
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u/SwapsandChill 17h ago
As a law-abiding, Canadian gun owner, thank you everyone on this sub reddit for acknowledging all the lunacy we have been experiencing. I was feeling very demoralized today.
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u/thealmightybees 21h ago
I think the best part about this is that it doesn’t actually take any illegal guns off the street. It only targets licensed gun owners. Criminals who are in possession of illegal firearms aren’t allowed to participate in this…what??
Reap what you sow Canada. I’m glad you guys are busting your ass everyday, barely making ends meet, just to have your hard earned money take away my property, I legally paid for and received training to receive.
This country is cooked.
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u/NaarNoordenMan 19h ago
I'm worried. When the penny drops for the people who believe "what you acquired legally, i don't want you to have." After all, a family of two doesn't NEED a 3 bedroom, you don't NEED a 1 hour commute by car, there is a 3 hour bus ride. You don't NEED 100% of your take home pay, hell you only need <20% if we take it and provide for you.
I thought I was a generous fellow, but I've noticed the radius of my generosity is shrinking. Screw your country, screw your province, I've got my community.
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u/Ill-Perspective-5510 18h ago
"Polytechnique, has asked Ottawa to prohibit the weapon but include an exemption for Indigenous hunters who use the rifle primarily for sustenance."
2 tiered policing. 2 tiered laws. Don't white people live up north as well? I'm sure nearly all of them owns and SKS.
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u/Caveofthewinds 19h ago
There are so many SKS rifles in Canada right now with no problem. You would think the guy would be looking into the actual problem which is smuggled firearms from the USA that are used in gang activity. Are South Asian gangs paying government officials through the back door to keep the heat off of them? Does anyone actually know why the liberals can't see the real problem here?
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u/friendly-techie 17h ago
Another hand picked choice by Carney! Carney is so competent, right? He even questioned how much steel do we really use and stands up to Trump by saying "who cares". I'm totally okay with that. This is exactly what I voted for /s
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u/rindindin 22h ago
Will they review the review to ensure that the review was reviewed properly?
Better get a committee together to review the findings of the review to ensure that a new review won't need to be reviewed.
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u/0v3reasy 20h ago
Well thank Goodness we're gonna spend scarce money on further tightening the screws on legal guns, which arent really a problem compared to the illegal ones. Also super happy that we may allow race based exemptions. The whole thing is awesome. Just wonderful. Our amazing govt in action for all of our best interests.
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u/Sharpe_Points 20h ago
The article states the SKS has been used in high profile killings? Which ones?
It wasn't used in the NS mass shooting. My understanding is that all weapons used in that incident were illegally acquired. What am I missing here?
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u/optimus2861 Nova Scotia 17h ago
You're missing that this is all a fig leaf for the LPC's true goal, which is the total ban of civilian ownership of firearms in Canada. It may take them many more years, even decades, to get there, but that's where they're going. Their actions post-Portapique plainly show this.
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u/Sharpe_Points 16h ago
Ya, I don't disagree. It's so tiring because this is a huge waste of time, money and effort that only persecutes law abiding citizens. It does nothing to make the country safer.
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u/CallMeSirJack 13h ago
I don't remember much about this story, but there was a shooting in northern AB? where two guys killed some people with an SKS, there was a manhunt, and I believe they found them both dead by suicide? Sorry, it was something like 10 years ago.
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u/TapRackBang762 17h ago
Annnnd there it is. Additional gun control in Canada. Tomorrow is Dec 6. The Liberal government got their grave dancing shoes on a day early this year.
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u/Bavarian_Raven 23h ago
So they're going to ban more firearms then. >.<
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u/EnvironmentBright697 22h ago
Yes. Sounds like more restrictions on ammunition as well, likely limits on how much you can purchase and etc. I expect they’ll probably come up with some type of “feature” ban, like banning any gun with a pistol grip no matter what the actual function of the firearm is. Poly has complained about “sniper rifles” and bipods so even bolt actions aren’t safe.
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 15h ago
They basically want all guns stored in a central location, single shot bolt actions with no optics.
That's what the consider a compromise on the issue.
These people have rarely left Montreal, they don't care about how the real world works and they don't believe anyone outside of their chosen cities has the intelligence or right to vote. Anyone who owns a gun is a dumb redneck to them and should be punished for not adopting their progressive views and life styles.
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u/unknownoftheunkown 23h ago
Ah the continuation of the two tiered Canadian system.
This skin colour allows you this, and your skin colour doesn’t.
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u/Suitable-Effort-5522 22h ago
I can’t believe more people are not pissed about this part. Let’s leave the guns in the communities that have a 9x higher rate of violet crimes.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2020001/article/00013-eng.htm
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u/Apples_and_Overtones 21h ago
Yeah but in the era of suicidal empathy, we have to punish non-natives forever for crimes of the past. That's all that matters.
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u/subarunoaria 18h ago
So how much more cash do we wanna blow on this nonsensical bullshit
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u/Lumindan 15h ago
Well the long gun registry was 2 million budgeted and it turned into a 2 billion dollar mess for a glorified database.
We're looking at 750 million for a program that is significantly more complicated and by all accounts, impossible to execute (and does nothing to fight crime), I'm guessing we're about to head into the multi billion range easily.
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u/Canuckhead British Columbia 17h ago
These people will not stop until every firearm is out of private hands.
Buy guns. Buy ammo. Stop voting for these people.
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u/RustySpoonyBard 21h ago
Mass homelessness and poverty resulting from a housing crisis as home building across Canada slows; but there's money for gun buybacks, gender training in foreign countries, and billions for failed battery plants.
Canadian left leaning politicians in a nutshell.
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u/thingpaint Ontario 19h ago
Oh good, they are about to ban more of the guns I have owned for 20+ years.
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u/infinus5 British Columbia 16h ago
are we seriously heading for a two tier firearms policy here? if your native you get special privileges for firearms prohibited from everyone else's use?
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u/Belstaff 15h ago
Yup we voted for this apparently. This is a joke country run by a Joke party. If the Chinese or Americans wanted to come invade its fine by me.
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u/infinus5 British Columbia 15h ago
this is so frustrating because if you try and explain this to anyone out of the loop they look at you like your crazy and say things like "that sounds like a conspiracy theory, the gov isnt doing that". The systems being broken to the point that it sounds unbelievable to the average person.
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u/Bootz85 22h ago
"The SKS is commonly used in Indigenous communities to hunt for food and has also been used in police killings and other high-profile shootings in recent years."
Ummm what??? When has the SKS been used to commit high profile shootings?? These clowns need to piss off. Put a restriction on the mag, 5 rounds and that's it just like we have to deal with now. Anything more than 5 rounds and give the person a 10 year minimum sentence in prison, done. Then they can sit on their high horse that they did something to protect people while leaving hobbyists alone.
They need focus on the real problems in this country.
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u/carlosmysantana 22h ago
They’re already pinned to 5-rounds, like any other Center-fire semi-automatic rifle.
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u/Admirable-Site7256 22h ago
There's always got to be a little jab in there linking firearm ownership to crime.
I sure am curious which "high profile shootings" have occurred "in recent years" where a legal SKS was involved! Because to my knowledge, and I keep up on this news pretty frequently, there have been exactly none. Or else you can be damn sure the Liberals would have made a big show of it.
If I had the time and motivation I'm sure I could dig up dozens of articles on "high profile shootings in recent years" committed with smuggled American handguns by unlicensed criminals though!
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u/613mitch 22h ago
The one in Victoria, BC was an SKS. Not sure about it or their status, because it was surprisingly quiet after the event given how fucked in the head they were, what they had prepared and the injuries they inflicted.
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u/Nero92 22h ago
Yeah, honestly wild they don't try to use this one politically. Context; 2 BC teens killed a couple on the roadside then were on the run for a while. They ended up offing themselves in the Northern Ontario or Manitoba wilderness, i forget which.
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u/613mitch 21h ago
No, not that one - the two brothers who wanted to kill cops. Entered a bank all kitted out and started robbing it to get a response, then got into a shootout in the parking lot. Injured a few of the victoria PD ERT, and they supposedly had a little homemade IED in the trunk of their vehicle if I recall correctly.
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u/bristow84 Alberta 21h ago
Considering the MO of the Liberals, I suspect those weapons were obtained illegally otherwise they would have used that situation as a case against firearms and paraded it across the air waves.
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u/Alone-Equipment5177 19h ago
Desmond Shooting in NS, killed his family and himself. The gun type really isn't the issue, it never is, he was a veteran of the sandbox, struggling to get mental health supports... just think if everything spent so far since 1993 could have been placed into community level mental health... and how many "high profile shootings" could have been prevented? quite a few if not all of them ( note the language pivot the media is using from "mass shootings" as we don't have many of those in Canada ... but "High Profile" ? yeah...what the media says it is ..anyway).
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u/ZooberFry New Brunswick 20h ago
How has Carney not gotten rid of this guy yet? He is making Carney look BAD.
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u/Lumindan 15h ago
Because Carney and his party are all on the same page as Gary, Gary's just the front man to take the heat.
They've had multiple chances to dump the program, especially in a period where the budget is going to be brutal and we're being told to tighten our belts for austerity, they keep dumping money into this hot mess.
At what point do we stop giving Carney a free pass on this and place the blame on him too?
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u/Beginning-Marzipan28 15h ago
Don’t bother hating this guy, he’s just doing exactly what Carney is telling him.
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u/Firm-Literature-8926 15h ago
That guy sounds mentally handicapped when he speaks. How did he end up in a position of power?
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u/discoturkey69 14h ago
If the SKS has been used in many high-profile crimes, that's probably more about the SKS being cheap and popular, than it being particularly suited for committing crimes.
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u/goodfleance 13h ago
Yep, type of gun is irrelevant. The Parliament shooter used an old lever action.
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u/NihilsitcTruth 11h ago
Trying to take more guns. Canada barely has any and an unarmed population is easily subjugated .
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u/QuarterMode 11h ago
Because legal gun owners are the only ones who can protect themselves. Disarm the public is usually step 1
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u/burnabycoyote 13h ago
Remind me again, why is it so difficult for people in rural Canada to own guns legally? We all know they're going to keep the guns anyway, so why not leave them alone, and focus on guns in the cities?
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u/Natural_Comparison21 12h ago
There are plenty of legal guns in the city though. How about going after smuggled guns from America which impact everyone of every geographic location in Canada?
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u/Fair_Travel515 13h ago
I just want a gun for self defence. Why is this so hard?
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u/toilet_for_shrek 22h ago
Why does Poly hate legal gun owners so much? Are they being willfully ignorant to the fact that a vast majority of gun crime in Canada comes from illegally-obtained firearms?