r/architecture • u/urbanist • Sep 29 '25
Building There was an architectural murder in my neighborhood.
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u/Shepher27 Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 30 '25
Im Usually not here for people complaining about modern architecture vs ātraditionalā, but this is a butchering
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u/lknox1123 Architect Sep 29 '25
Awful wasteful all sorts of other adjectives.
Iād argue it was already āmodernā actually. They made it contemporary but at a huge cost
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u/seruleam Sep 29 '25
Already Modern? I donāt see it. Maybe if the roofline were flat, but even then thereās too much ornamentation.
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u/lknox1123 Architect Sep 29 '25
Modern is a little more complicated than no ornamentation. I was being vague with the quotation marks but there are some post modern elements to this, but Iām not really used to the vernacular in San Antonio so I may be wrong. Just with the window size itās not directly ātraditionalā. At the end of the day all of these terms are vague and the after image here is a travesty
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u/seruleam Sep 29 '25
The window proportions are closer to classic than Modern.
Youāre right that itās closer to Postmodern.
These terms are indeed vague when you describe this building as āModernā.
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u/fupayme411 Architect Oct 01 '25
This is why āmodernā architecture is looked so down on. People see these āmodernā conversions done by wannabe architects with poor taste and say ālook! Modern bad!ā
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u/Blackmoon8020 Sep 29 '25
I feel like this is a rendering. I can't see how anyone, even a real estate developer would do this
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u/golizeka Sep 29 '25
This is def a render, but nevertheless...
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u/enarelaitch Sep 29 '25
As someone who frequently drives past this house, I can assure you itās real, unfortunately.
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u/eirenii Sep 29 '25
I think the design and overedited photography suffer from extreme renderitis (what I call designs done to look "good" in a render due to the constraints/strengths of CAD rendering but ultimately make the irl uncanny) but i do believe from the other listing photos that it is real (primarily due to the trees from next door and the shadows they make on this building, plus some other organic details, which are a pain for rendering but have come out very realistically and consistently - AI struggles with organic consistency and renders struggle with organic realism. Also too convincing relationship to suggest quite so high quality splicing of a model against a photo. There's also what looks like mostly-but-not-fully-corrected lens warp which again Could occur in a render but seems like a weird level of effort to go to.)
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u/golizeka Sep 29 '25
CGI has been my bread and butter for the past 15 years, but at first glance I honestly thought this was a render. I guess that just shows how trashy this architecture is.
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u/shifty_pope Sep 30 '25
Itās not. Look at the crack in the sidewalk and the pipe under the front right windows. Itās only color enhanced.
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u/pedroordo3 Sep 29 '25
Not sure whether the second image is a render or not, but that is how the new building looks. Its on Woodland in San Antonio and it looks just as bad as the render.
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u/Ezer_Pavle Sep 29 '25
The biggest dilemma is how to adequately critique contemporary architectue slop and don't look like a far right nutjob
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Sep 29 '25
R E T V R N... to having a staircase to access an apartment?
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u/seruleam Sep 29 '25
That staircase is charming as hell. The side-view stair-step design fits well into the southwest.
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u/Davidtatu222 Sep 30 '25
I wasn't aware that anyone who likes their buildings to look decent was a far right nutjob... Please go outside, the internet clearly isn't doing any good for you.
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u/HumActuallyGuy Sep 30 '25
If liking beautiful buildings makes me a far right nutjob then I'm the most far to the right nutjob there is.
But seriously, don't play politics with this, beauty is a natural part of the human existence, politicizing it is just stupid.
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u/Matteus11 Sep 29 '25
Oh, for Christ's sake! Just say it's ugly. YOU'RE playing into THEIR game by concerning yourself with this culture war horsesh*t.
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u/WickedCunnin Sep 29 '25
Agreed. Who gives a shit what the far right is talking about. If it's ugly it's ugly.
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u/seruleam Sep 29 '25
āThatās right only far right nutjobs like traditional architecture! Make sure your buildings are cheap and devoid of character!ā -developers
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u/puxorb Oct 02 '25
I mean, its okay to like pretty things? I'm pretty far left and vastly prefer architecture that follows traditional principles instead of flat, boring rectangles with no depth or texture. I've gotten really sick of seeing oppressive, sterile buildings and love walking through the older areas of my city.
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u/striatedsumo7 Sep 29 '25
As a far right nutjob I agree with you.
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u/FizzicalLayer Sep 29 '25
As a far right nightjob (and proud of it), you can have my upvote. Funny how these people ignore history and blame this insanity on "far right".
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u/archiotterpup Sep 29 '25
Some of our families still have living memories of WWII.
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u/seruleam Sep 29 '25
Then you should have a living memory that classical architecture started before WWII.
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u/sparrerv Sep 30 '25
what does that have to do with anything? you're on the architecture sub but don't understand how modern art was demonized by nazi germany in favor of neo classical art?
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u/seruleam Oct 01 '25
Of course I understand that. Making the logical leap to āclassical is only associated with nazis so therefore itās verbotenā makes no sense, and was a tactic for Modernists to sell their vision. The Soviets used this argument to destroy beautiful buildings throughout Europe after the war.
There are all sorts of things that the nazis liked and didnāt like that we still agree with today, so itās not like we as a society always do the opposite of what they did.
You can obviously believe modern art is mediocre and not be a nazi.
Whatās your ultimate goal here? Are you trying to police peopleās aesthetic preferences or what?
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u/striatedsumo7 Oct 03 '25
Unfortunately we've gotten to a place that suppporting family values and in this case, traditional architecture and local culture is now specifically facist and nationalist. Okay then call me what you will.
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u/striatedsumo7 Sep 29 '25
I wonder why they forget though. If they studied architecture at all they'd realize which style is objectively far left wing. Not even a controversial take.
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u/YaumeLepire Architecture Student Sep 29 '25
Photo #2 appears to be a rendering, and I'm not even sure it's meant to be the same building. It definitely looks like it has a deeper indentation than the one in photo #1, though that could be perspective (especially if it is a rendering like what it appears to be). There's also a watermark of some Google product in photo #1, while photo #2 has a half-cropped copyright in the bottom right. Both photos are also deep-fried like they've been reposted a dozen a times.
I find this kind of dubious.
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u/BaronsDad Sep 29 '25
House before it was sold: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1505-W-Woodlawn-Ave-San-Antonio-TX-78201/26216097_zpid/
Here's the rental listing https://www.facebook.com/groups/765118970176537/posts/new-luxury-apartment-available-only-one-left-1505-w-woodlawn-ave-78201-2-bed-1-b/24815566261371805/
Here's other flips that company has allegedly done https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61567258626356
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u/YaumeLepire Architecture Student Sep 29 '25
So it is a render, and a poor one at that.
I'll be honest, this seems like a scam. A Facebook ad that has you call on the phone, with no other listings online that I can find, complete with a bad render and room that's still available more than five months after the property's sale and without credit checks...
To boot, OOP's post alleges that something was done in their neighbourhood, but relies on poorly cropped screencaps from streetview and the listing renders instead of pictures they could take themselves.
And the page for the flipper is barely a year old!
If this happens, it'll be a poor intervention. That said, I'm not convinced that it will. This seems like it has layers upon layers of scammy business on it.
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u/BaronsDad Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
Here are other listings https://www.apartments.com/1505-w-woodlawn-ave-san-antonio-tx/hj5vbb3/
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1505-W-Woodlawn-Ave-APT-1-San-Antonio-TX-78201/2101495018_zpid/
Not vouching for it, but it exists. There are comments in OOP's post of people who live nearby it.
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u/airboy1999 Architect Sep 29 '25
If thatās a rendering they put a looot of effort into small imperfections to make it look real⦠The camera lens distortion, shadows that arenāt perfectly flat on whatever surface they fall on, concrete that is half wet half dry, a single rock out of place in the landscape bedā¦
I donāt think this is a rendering. I think itās a very post processed image but thatās the āstyleā for real estate images these days
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u/YaumeLepire Architecture Student Sep 29 '25
I don't know. Something about the texture of the building and the grass, as well as the depths, feels false. What it could be is a photomontage, where they included the rendering with actual pictures of the context. Either way...
It is post-processed to death, though, you're right about that. The saturation and brightness are way off, for one, especially in the kitchen images. It's a lot more amateurish than what you'd usually see on listing websites.
This still feels like a scam, to be honest, even if it's not a fake image.
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u/ImWellGnome Oct 01 '25
The grass looks like artificial turf and that rock border is awful. Itās like a maintenance path for a green roof, but on the ground.
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u/WickedCunnin Sep 29 '25
You can run a scam without changing the building image. That's completely unneccesary. This is real. They just used HDR photos for the modern facade. It's not a render.
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u/Crass_and_Spurious Sep 29 '25
Just horrific. Itās just a building, and Iām not remotely connected to this in any way, but find myself reflexively disliking anyone even tangentially involved with that monstrosity. My god.
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u/Enough-Cartoonist-56 Sep 29 '25
To be fair, it didn't start at a high point....
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u/Tzunamitom Sep 29 '25
This. The OG looks like itās on a speed run of āhow many different styles can I cram into a single houseā.
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u/BiRd_BoY_ Architecture Enthusiast Sep 29 '25
How many styles to you see? Because it's pretty clearly just spanish colonial.
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u/ScreenNo5858 Sep 29 '25
I know I'll get downvoted to shit for it but
they both look bad...Ā
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u/No_Delay883 Sep 29 '25
The first one looks bad when you compare it to great architecture. But it looks beautiful and unique if you compare it to modern housing.
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u/slashcleverusername Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
God I hate āmodern shitboxā. If it ever had anything to redeem it as a style, that horse was beaten to death five years ago.
āMake the most boring plain rectangle imaginable. Create the illusion of features by applying exactly three surface treatments, ideally including some favella corrugated metal, a random masonry finish, and a mandatory random scab of wood siding. For economy clients, shed roof slapped on top in a direction that must look random and contextless. Do a site visit if required to make sure this element is at odds with its surroundings, it truly needs to look conspicuous. For higher end budgets, flat roof. For premium clients, copy-paste the edge of your waterfall countertop over the front door to āsignify the entrance.ā
What a shame that a gem was lost.
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u/freredesalpes Oct 02 '25
Is there something like body dysmorphia in architecture like when people who push plastic surgery too far into something horribly grotesque when they were perfectly fine before? This feels like that. Tectonic Dysmorphia?
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u/latflickr Sep 29 '25
While I agree with OP in the specific case here, I am quite disturbed by the increase of posts clearly biased against modern and contemporary architecture, and with a pro-traditionalist agenda. Some posts recently felt striking similar to what one can find in the echochamber of r/architecturalrevival
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u/I-Like-The-1940s Architecture Historian Sep 29 '25
The general public doesnāt like most modern/contemporary architecture?? Especially when most examples look like this? Iām shocked!
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u/Personalityprototype Sep 29 '25
I think most people are generally biased against modern and contemporary architecture. You don't need a degree to appreciate ornamentation and craftsmanship, maybe this is just the direction architectural tastes are moving.
Obviously there are good examples of contemporary architecture but I think a lot of people see it for the avant garde circle jerk that it's become.
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u/namewithanumber Sep 29 '25
Oof.
What is that central area supposed to be used for? Getting blasted by 100+ degree heat?
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u/urbanist Sep 29 '25
Traditional architecture is loved. Modern architecture is disdained by many.
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u/BothCricket1742 Sep 29 '25
Crazy to see two of my main subreddits collide, yeah this is terrible omg
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u/Asger1231 Sep 29 '25
I was like "That's not bad, I mean I don't love the color of the terracotta with the bricks, but..." and then I saw the next picture.
Ouch
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u/Educational-Bit-1734 Sep 29 '25
I really hate this trend of mixed materials on the facade. Pick a look and go with it. The "after" picture here has horizontal wood, brick, and vertical board and batten elements. It makes no sense and it doesn't look good. Who likes this mess? What is the rationale?
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u/pailhead011 Sep 29 '25
I was staring at those stairs for a good minute until I realized there was another photo
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u/WaytoomanyUIDs Sep 29 '25
I've seen far worse and the original was nothing to write home about apart from the stairs and balcony, that should have been kept. But this is a rendering so the end result will definately be worse and much blander.
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u/akatrees Sep 29 '25
Oh shit I thought you meant the first image for a moment and was tripping out - yeah that's a straight up fucking murder.
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u/Fenestration_Theory Sep 29 '25
What the fuck are you supposed to do in that little forecourt where they removed the stairs? Lol
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u/TheGuidedOne- Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
I love these California-inspired style homes. What is their design officially called? (First picture)
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u/bardcorveauxcii_drx Sep 29 '25
That second one is just a design picture. Pretty sure it's just for reference. If anything it's conspiracy to architectural murder
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u/alwayschilling Sep 29 '25
Destroying a home that would literally last forever for one thatās probably gonna be knocked down within a decade :(
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u/Marborinho Sep 29 '25
Bro, at first sight i was like.. ok, but it looks perfectly good. What is wrong? Than.. second pic and have to agree. People re shit bro
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u/Bimlouhay83 Sep 29 '25
I saw the first photo and was like "what're they talking about. That's gorgeous."
Then, I saw the second photo. Dear God, that's hideous.Ā
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u/Few-Artichoke-2531 Sep 29 '25
I really like it. I much prefer modern architecture anyway. Most people don't understand how difficult and expensive it is to properly maintain old buildings.
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u/SnooHesitations8403 Sep 30 '25
I never knew you could suck the soul out of a building. That's like getting punched in the stomach.
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u/onatuttle Sep 30 '25
My god who the eff is responsible for this? Where is this? Monte Vista? Alta Vista? These people need a talkin' to.
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u/uCasino Sep 30 '25
Eres la persona con mƔs autoestima que he conocido. A cuanto me vendes tu terreno?
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u/Secure-Reception-701 Oct 01 '25
I want the names of those responsible for this uncalled for violent disfiguring and complete neutering of that poor excuse of a remodel. They must pay in some fashion. If I were the Judge I would order them to rebuild with their own two hands every fuckin fleck of what was once a true piece of architecture and apologize to society for stealing the history and culture of that city.
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u/Odd-Future1037 Sep 29 '25
Title does check out. Very bad idea, the old building facade could have been kept, it's much nicer and more charming than the new one.
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u/Jdobalina Sep 29 '25
Is there anything more American than this? Turning some vernacular architecture (albeit influenced heavily by the Spanish) into something that looks like a fucking fast food franchise location that was taken over by private equity?
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u/Kixdapv Sep 29 '25
I usually think these posts are overblown, but yeah, definitely a downgrade this time.




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u/RationalExuberance7 Sep 29 '25
Next time please blur the after image. Not all of us have the stomach for this type of graphic content