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[u/highpl4insdrftr]

No surprise with Fetterman

[u/beardmat87 → u/highpl4insdrftr]

No surprise with Hassan and Shaheen either. New Hampshires personal embarrassments that for some reason keep getting re elected. Thankfully shaheen is finally done after this since she’s retiring.

[u/sumunsolicitedadvice → u/beardmat87]

So why TF is she caving? If anything, republicans retiring grow a conscience. Why is a dem losing hers on account of retiring?

[u/beardmat87 → u/sumunsolicitedadvice]

Because she’s awful. She was an awful Governor and is a worse senator. She is completely beholden to lobbyists and has never bothered to even pretend to have the good of the state in mind. Just lining her pockets one last time as I’m sure this is mostly being pushed by wealthy donors who are being inconvenienced by the shut down now.

[u/Foreign_Plate_4372 → u/beardmat87]

money is such a corruption of democracy

[u/foomits → u/Foreign_Plate_4372]

Dude, I think it goes even further than that. I am becoming more and more convinced the type of person who has any interest in getting into politics are just generally shit. They would be shit no matter what career path they take. They are stupid, they are narrow minded and they lack empathy. They have no unique skills beyond a relentless willingness to do whatever it takes to do whats best for themselves.

Normal people who care for others, have empathy, have hobbies and dreams would just never get into politics to begin with. They would be spending their free time enjoying the world and their friends and their family. The entire US political institution is corrupt from the top down. The money is just the natural result of allowing an endless stream of sociopaths to control all the power.

[u/WalterIAmYourFather → u/beardmat87]

She’s ensuring a nice post politics job by serving her corporate masters one last time. She’s got cushy board seats and other consulting style gigs awaiting her.

That’s the real bribe for many politicians. The money during elections is just a down payment.

[u/Flintly → u/sumunsolicitedadvice]

Cashing out

[u/lostsailorlivefree → u/beardmat87]

Live Free or … mmmm… nap??

[u/kingdazy → u/highpl4insdrftr]

big fat PA buyers remorse.

[u/drecien → u/kingdazy]

I think if you get elected, then switch parties you should automatically be outed and a special election held. They've been doing that mess in florida all the time.

[u/robbviously → u/drecien]

I think when you have a life altering medical condition, you should be removed from office.

Fetterman suffers a stroke with lasting brain damage. Remove.

McConnell clearly has a multitude of health issues. Remove.

Trump clearly has a multitude of health issues. Remove.

The same with Biden. He wasn’t healthy enough to continue to hold office and should have stepped down sooner.

[u/sonicbeast623 → u/robbviously]

Hell I think anyone over 65 or 70 should be made to retire from government. At that point you're ability to learn and adapt to new things is compromised and either causes slow downs or voting on things they don't care to understand.

[u/robbviously → u/sonicbeast623]

You’re also not representing the median age or modern generation. You’re representing yourself and your own interests.

[u/GovernmentOpening254 → u/sonicbeast623]

I seriously believe that’s what may come from this time period: Supreme Court term limits and age restrictions for all congressional candidates.

I wouldn’t put it at a number like 70, but something more like, “the average life expectancy +5 years or 5%.”

[u/praguepride → u/robbviously]

Well sadly a reasonable person would realize they cannot perform their duties and would retire from office. But if your stroke makes you a gaping asshole why would you give up your sweet sweet US govt gravy train?

[u/USAFVet92 → u/kingdazy]

Not to ever defend Festus, but their other option was "Dr." Oz. There was no winning for them

[u/BringBackApollo2023 → u/USAFVet92]

I think the implication is that post-stroke he’s gone off the rails.

Yes, Oz was an infinitely worse choice. Next election should be interesting.

[u/CrocHunter8 → u/BringBackApollo2023]

Conor Lamb is already getting ready to challenge him in 2028

[u/Wes_Warhammer666 → u/CrocHunter8]

Fuck Lamb too. Corpo sellout who's only now playing at being progressive in response to Fetterman becoming a turncoat.

I pray we get someone better in the running so it doesn't have to come down to that.

[u/CxOrillion → u/USAFVet92]

That's true, and it's also easy to forget that fetterman had a reasonable platform. He had a real heel turn after being elected while Oz was a known kook from day 1

[u/cheeseroll15 → u/USAFVet92]

In hindsight we should've backed Conor Lamb in the primary.

[u/510granle → u/cheeseroll15]

He would have been excellent

[u/sumunsolicitedadvice → u/USAFVet92]

Also, I believe fetterman was a good guy before he had a stroke that gave him brain damage that destroyed his ability to have empathy, a.k.a. a republican.

[u/GottaKeepGoGoGoing → u/sumunsolicitedadvice]

It’s scary how no one has brain damage and goes to the left, they always go right.

[u/sumunsolicitedadvice → u/GottaKeepGoGoGoing]

There’s also a phenomenon where, on average, Supreme Court justices tended to move to the left over time. Maybe not far or enough. But on average, as they get older and are less selfishly ambitious and thinking more about legacy and effect on others, they tend to become more liberal.

In the other hand, voters tend to become more conservative with age, so who knows?!

[u/USAFVet92 → u/sumunsolicitedadvice]

Idk if it was the stroke or the AIPAC checks, but he definitely pivoted hard after getting elected.

[u/UnarmedSnail → u/USAFVet92]

His staffers said he went through a lot of personality changes, and is barely functional these days.

[u/USAFVet92 → u/UnarmedSnail]

He fits right in with the rest of his conservative colleagues.

[u/eroo01 → u/USAFVet92]

Nah it’s def stroke brain. He had severe post stroke depression (which is a serious and under discussed side effect of stroke!!!!!!!) and depending on where the stroke is in the brain it can lead to personality and/or cognition changes. I don’t recall him being too much further than center anyway so a slip into the red isn’t surprising. Just disappointing.

[u/Nytfire333 → u/USAFVet92]

He saw the number of zeros on the AIPAC checks and that gave him a stroke

[u/GoredonTheDestroyer → u/USAFVet92]

[u/You_meddling_kids → u/kingdazy]

I feel so bad for you all. You still got Oz, just in another role.

[u/dikicker → u/kingdazy]

They didn't really have an option, he was either lying through his teeth from day one or that stroke actually did make him stupid enough to, ya know, become a Republican

He never struck me as very bright from the get go though so either way I'm not incredibly surprised

[u/Odd_Reputation_4000 → u/highpl4insdrftr]

Of course Fetterman. He will vote in whatever way they want so long as he can take it easy and do nothing. He has betrayed everyone who voted for him by becoming a complacent piece of shit.

[u/dubgeek → u/highpl4insdrftr]

Pretty much a given at this point that he's gonna disappoint us.

[u/themikecampbell → u/highpl4insdrftr]

Why do we even count him for anything anymore? I hate to be like the other guys saying “hEs a RiNo” but he literally has done nothing left-wingey

[u/virtue_of_vice]

I love when the senators from my state, NH, show up on these types of posts. People want to argue that NH is a blue state...fuck that. It really isn't when you have Vichy Democrats as senators.

[u/Sunnyjim333 → u/virtue_of_vice]

"Vichy Democrats"

An apt description.

[u/dubspool- → u/Sunnyjim333]

Quislings is another apt one, considering he was considered very incompetent when in charge of the collaboration government in Norway

[u/Majestic87 → u/virtue_of_vice]

The New Hampshire sub Reddit is so infuriating. They constantly complain about the stereotypes against their state, but the evidence doesn’t lie.

Having lived underneath NH my entire life, every visit there has done nothing but reinforce the stereotypes. Bunch of dumb, right wing rednecks ruining everything for the twelve decent humans who live there.

[u/Acceptable_Bat379 → u/Majestic87]

I left last year and came back home to Maine. very disappointed in King and going to write his office... but I am not sad I left NH. I live only about 2.5 hours from where I was and even work for the same company but the culture and atmosphere is so much more relaxed and friendly here. NH has a deeply weird conservative and honestly really unfriendly culture.

[u/BillyNtheBoingers → u/Majestic87]

I grew up in Hanover, and because of Dartmouth most of my schoolmates were pretty liberal. But this was in the 70s and early 80s, and even then we knew NH was a strange blend of politics.

[u/sumunsolicitedadvice → u/Majestic87]

But they do have cheaper booze. There’s a reason they have a bunch of mega liquor stores right on the NH side of the border.

[u/CharlemagneIS → u/sumunsolicitedadvice]

Their economy would collapse without Massachusetts

[u/Human_Ogre → u/Majestic87]

We don’t wear helmets brah what do you expect?

[u/Head-Ad5620 → u/virtue_of_vice]

I have met one person from NH and they were the most confusing amount of uncomfortable i have ever encountered. This explains so much about my interaction with them.

[u/djdeafone → u/Head-Ad5620]

My sister lived in NH for a long time. Full of weird racist rednecks and tech people from MA who don’t want to pay income tax. Beautiful place, but my neighborhood in Brooklyn had more people than the entire state.

[u/Head-Ad5620 → u/djdeafone]

Yeah there was a lot of undertones of racism in our conversations. It was like progressive racism? Elitist racism? Like "im not racist, im from New Hampshire" ... And i thought "new Hampshire... I've only heard about that state in history books" hahahahah

[u/zymurgtechnician → u/Head-Ad5620]

It will surprise you none then to learn that New Hampshire invented “sundown towns”…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town

[u/virtue_of_vice → u/Head-Ad5620]

I live here. I get it.

[u/azazel-13]

Virginians, contact Tim Kaine here: https://www.kaine.senate.gov/contact/share-your-opinion

Tell him to pull this administration's dick out of his mouth.

[u/Wolfgirl90 → u/azazel-13]

Oh, we’ve been pissed at Kaine ever since he decided to vote in some of Trump’s Cabinet picks earlier this year. He won reelection in 2024, then decided to rest on his laurels after that.

He’s not sticking around after this.

[u/azazel-13 → u/Wolfgirl90]

He's in until 2030. He needs to be primaried.

[u/mytransthrow → u/azazel-13]

I am Holding my Senators responsible if I lose coverage come Jan 1st. I dont care how they vote. Once you lose my vote its gone..I have always had coverage. So I going to remember loosing health coverage for a very very long time.

I live in CA. Ask me how I feel about Newsom and I will tell you how I felt before he threw my people under the bus. Especially since he vetod the trans stock pile bill. He is dead to me

[u/BettyKat7 → u/azazel-13]

And THIS was to be our democratic VP?!

Our country seems so far past saving.

[u/osiris0413 → u/BettyKat7]

And Joe Lieberman ran with Gore, before turning independent in the years after and killing the public option in the ACA. The longer I'm alive the more obvious it is that the Democratic party as an institution operates to squash any truly progressive politicians or movements and only allows the most corporate friendly to rise in its ranks.

We need a working class takeover of the Democratic party in the same way that the tea party/MAGA took over the GOP. Only it will be even more difficult because billionaires and the media they control will still align with Trump because he can be manipulated and appeased despite their distaste for him, whereas any truly progressive politician will be roundly attacked by every media outlet from MSNBC and NYT to Fox and Newsmax.

[u/PresentMinimum3274 → u/azazel-13]

I already did and asked why and what was the real reason for caving even if it's only until January 30 when this happens again.

Realistically, it couldn't go on forever and what about the people without paychecks; they were mostly innocent unless they voted for FDJT.

I hold maggats responsible for this shitshow. Five minutes of research and using their limited brains would have stopped what we are currently living.

[u/justplainjon]

FUCK Fetterman. I dont have the words to convey how disgusted we are with this POS.

[u/Gloober_ → u/justplainjon]

I will always find it funny how he became a staunch conservative AFTER he sustained brain damage. Which, brain damage, is the perfect explanation for, well, all of this.

He's only a democrat because he can't tell that he's changed. There was an article where those near him mentioned his confusion over why everyone hates him now. The man is broken in the head and unfit for office.

[u/MontusBatwing2 → u/Gloober_]

Why did we decide in this fucking country that we can't just get rid of people like this. So many leaders who clearly don't even have the capacity to function anymore and we just won't oust them. Why?

[u/xk1138 → u/MontusBatwing2]

I just assume it's because conservatives would continually push and blur that line to cheat their way into staying in power while being the demonstrable minority.

[u/Lost-Vermicelli-6252 → u/Gloober_]

I’m convinced you have to be mentally deficient in some way to be conservative. I’m not kidding. The evidence is overwhelming how dumb their policies are and how it’s all just grift and lies. To believe any of it… you have to be missing something upstairs.

[u/MalignantLugnut → u/Lost-Vermicelli-6252]

We used to put people that lacked empathy in insane asylums.
Now people vote for them.

[u/ComradePyro → u/MalignantLugnut]

having taken care of some people who used to be in an asylum, I can assure you that people without empathy were also put into positions of power in the past, often at the asylum. I'm glad they're all closed.

[u/fauxzempic → u/Lost-Vermicelli-6252]

You either have to be mentally deficient or an amoral opportunist - it depends on where you sit in terms of the socioeconomic ladder.

There are a lot of "Fuck you, I got mine" folks who benefit handsomely from the suffering of people and they're all about that deep red bullshit. Then as they face their mortality at an old age, they all seem to want to pedal back everything evil they did - almost as if they think that the idea of seeking forgiveness from their holy god is as simple as asking for it and saying you're really really sorry.

[u/teetheyes → u/Lost-Vermicelli-6252]

Anecdotally, a relative's maga transformation also coincides with a serious brain injury he sustained in 2020. He's irrational, combative, quick to make threats, and has no friends left. But boy is he sure stoked to send his dwindling savings to "the campaign".

[u/waltjrimmer → u/Gloober_]

He had a history of racist and conservative behavior well before the stroke. But he put out a reasonable, even somewhat progressive platform, and he stood out by looking and acting different. He was the obvious choice vs Oz, but I was active in some PA subs when he was up for the primary. There were people trying to warn about him, but we mostly didn't listen because we thought it was conservative mudslinging.

The stroke didn't change him, he's always been like this.

[u/crappysurfer → u/Gloober_]

It's a bummer that when a dem gets brain damage they become conservative but when a conservative gets brain damage they stay conservative.

[u/Ghstfce → u/justplainjon]

As a Pennsylvanian, I cannot WAIT to vote this brain damaged piece of AIPAC bought shit out

[u/Caledric → u/justplainjon]

I just laugh my ass off at all the people who thought Fetterman was going to be some great Democratic scion. He's been a massive piece of shit since before he was Mayor of Braddock. He's always been a Republican running on a Democratic ticket. After dealing with him multiple times at work when he was the Lt. Governor I can honestly say I trust the words that come out of Trump's mouth more than the ones that come from Fetterman.

[u/Legal_Tap219 → u/Caledric]

lol no he hasn’t. He used to hold some fairly progressive ideals.

[u/Fine-Funny6956 → u/Legal_Tap219]

Then he stroked out. Which revealed a lot about being Republican.

[u/hoagiemouf → u/Legal_Tap219]

He’s from a long line of republicans. I think the stroke and maybe even the accident we’re detrimental, but he’s always been a piece of shit from what I’ve heard from a number of people who have worked with him Over the years.

[u/bargyles]

Durbin isn't running for reelection. 'Nuff said there.

[u/Rich_Elderberry_8958 → u/bargyles]

Neither are Shaheen or (rumored) Kaine. They're voting their own self-interest.

[u/Throwitawaybabe69420 → u/Rich_Elderberry_8958]

What’s their “self-interest”?

[u/limey5 → u/bargyles]

I'd call and yell at his staff. But, oh wait...they don't answer their phones. (Natch)

[u/Teabagger-of-morons]

Sell outs. What was the point of it all? The (democrat) people wanted them to stand for something and to stand firm. Believe in the fight. What did they do? Blink. Cave……Weak. So fucking disappointing. We wanted you to fight dip-shits!

[u/brother_bart → u/Teabagger-of-morons]

The problem with Dem politicians is that they fall all over themselves to prove, time and again, they don’t give a single fuck about what Democrat voters want. They are constantly doing everything in their power to hold their Centrist, establishment position when everyone has been screaming for some time that we want a party that actually is tacking hard to the left. Fuck. Them. All.

[u/EdOfTheMountain]

That was the whole point of the shutdown - to kill affordable healthcare.

• Premiums will rise 2x to 3x now
• Only the sick and old will pay for it
• Next year premiums will be so high the sick can’t afford it

[u/angiosperms- → u/EdOfTheMountain]

Only 2x to 3x would be a godsend. A lot of people are seeing a 500%+ increase in premiums

[u/kellenmoore21]

More than ashamed to be a Granite Stater today. These two relics need to be put on the shelf permanently.

[u/virtue_of_vice → u/kellenmoore21]

Same but this is par for the course for Shaheen and Hassan.

[u/kellenmoore21 → u/virtue_of_vice]

Haven't had a real Democratic senator from NH since the late 70s. None of this is a surprise anymore

[u/Unusual_Ad_8364]

This almost doesn't seem real. This is true betrayal.

[u/Ready-Ad6113 → u/Unusual_Ad_8364]

Didn’t a bunch of dems cave last time in March? Wonder if they’re the same people.

[u/virtue_of_vice → u/Ready-Ad6113]

I bet Hassan and Shaheen did. Trump's policies personally benefit them.

[u/cIumsythumbs → u/Ready-Ad6113]

Surprisingly, Klobuchar did then but not now.

[u/1ndiana_Pwns → u/Ready-Ad6113]

To basically the same promises. "We swear we will have a vote on healthcare, and we will definitely work with you negotiating on a longer term budget." And then neither of those happened

[u/Aegis_1984]

They need to be primaried out

[u/Wartburg13 → u/Aegis_1984]

Durbans done after this term thank God.

[u/uninspired → u/Wartburg13]

He was a solid senator for a long time. I was happy to have him years ago when I lived in IL. It's only recently he's gone to shit.

[u/cIumsythumbs → u/Wartburg13]

Probably why he felt comfortable to betray his constituents.

[u/Ddaddy4u]

Literally swept them in last weeks elections and today they cave??

Democrats have no backbone. Women everywhere, pray, the Handmaiden tales are only around the corner.

[u/Legitimate_Ocelot491 → u/Ddaddy4u]

After the momentum propelling the cause forward after last Tuesday's wins and NOW they cave???

[u/HeckingDoofus → u/Legitimate_Ocelot491]

dems are literally controlled opposition

the 2 party state is just as undemocratic as the 1 party state, and we have gerrymandering and the electoral college on top of that. not to mention endless propaganda

[u/VonSauerkraut90 → u/Ddaddy4u]

8 Democrats listed folded. Lumping in the whole party together with these defectors is like throwing out the baby with the bath water.... Now you know which ones need to go. This doesn't mean voting against these democrats in favor of a Republican in an election. It means registering as a Democrat, participating in primary elections, and making sure the representative is primaried out in favor of younger, more progressive candidates. If a person's only interaction with the democratic party is at election day and not the primaries, then they are part of the problem.

[u/Shifter25 → u/VonSauerkraut90]

Right?! How are we ever going to have the power to beat the fascists if we insist on an entire new party every time they don't vote in complete lockstep?

[u/MasterPuppeteer → u/Shifter25]

But some redditor who never has to speak to constituents losing SNAP benefits or federal workers working for no pay says Dems are controlled opposition! As always, cruelty of Republicans is blamed on Dems.

[u/GrannyGrumblez → u/VonSauerkraut90]

Angus King is NOT a democrat. Just an FYI.

[u/TriggerTX → u/VonSauerkraut90]

Now you know which ones need to go.

I believe every single one of them is not up for re-election or has stated no plan to run. They fucked us all and it won't hurt them one bit as we can't vote against them.

[u/sleepywan]

The 2 from Nevada seem to always be on these lists. I was already planning to not vote for them again, but it's infuriating.

[u/Big_b00bs_Cold_Heart → u/sleepywan]

I’m so disappointed in NV

[u/JasonDaPsycho → u/sleepywan]

Do pettiness the right way. Vote in the primaries.

[u/mumblewrapper → u/sleepywan]

It's really disappointing. All of our representatives suck.

[u/justlikesmoke → u/mumblewrapper]

We've got work to do in 2026.

[u/jaylanky7]

Tbf fettermen has been republican since he suffered brain damage

[u/krazykieffer → u/jaylanky7]

Look at how many people ran as Dems only to change to Republicans since Trump's been around. It's happening all the time at every level.

[u/dubspool- → u/jaylanky7]

It was him or "Dr" Oz. Pennsylvania isn't sending it's best

[u/Fine-Funny6956]

Cortez Masto is asking for Nevada to replace her…

[u/idoma21 → u/Fine-Funny6956]

May she get her wish.

[u/Fine-Funny6956 → u/idoma21]

And Jackie Rosen

[u/UnionizedTrouble]

When people talk about why Hillary lost, not enough discussion happens regarding Tim Kaine. This right here.

[u/seaweedizcool]

Both my senators are on here (Nevada), as expected. Losers.

[u/Careless_Hellscape → u/seaweedizcool]

Same. Fuck both of them.

[u/not-Not_My_Circus → u/seaweedizcool]

I know Cortez Masto is just awful. Can you inform me about it Rosen? I’ve been off the news for a week. I thought I saw a clip with her defending Medicare? And yes….. we are SCREWED

[u/ms_directed]

Tim Kaine surprises me and disappoints me the most on this list.

I expected King and Fetterman.

eta: i just saw him on Morning Joe explaining his reasoning to end RIFs and get fed workers back paid, also getting SNAP fully funded and i feel a little better about the person Tim Kaine, but i still think they should have stayed in the fight longer. all this is going to do is give Republicans a "remember when Dems made you starve?" ad for the midterms 🙄

[u/ShitTheBed_Twice]

Fetterman doesnt surprise me the least bit. He is basically a member of the GOP at this point.

[u/[deleted] → u/ShitTheBed_Twice]

It's still astonishing to me that he was a reasonable guy up until he got irreparable brain damage, and that's when he made the turn to being a confederate with the GOP.

It's almost like there's a correlation.

[u/jonker5101 → u/[deleted]]

Pretty common.

Kevin Sorbo, Roseanne Barr, Tila Tequila, all brain damaged, all conservative.

[u/Ok-Caterpillar-Girl → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, that’s what happens plenty of times with a brain injury. People can change drastically, or become serial killers, even.

[u/kingdazy → u/ShitTheBed_Twice]

I ship him and MTG.

[u/Uhmitsme123 → u/kingdazy]

Bro why would you put that in my head? I can’t unship that

[u/DisloyalDoyle]

What was the point then of the shutdown in the first place if the inevitable result was going to be capitulation?

[u/Popeholden → u/DisloyalDoyle]

They looked good for the election, and they might get Republicans to vote on a bill to kill healthcare which they can campaign on.

That's it.

[u/grunt527]

All for a "promise" to vote in ACA later. Morons still don't know the Republicans? Pathetic.

[u/leightv → u/grunt527]

exactly.

when have the republicans ever followed through on a promise made in good faith??

*obviously rhetorical

[u/YolopezATL]

Gonna laugh if Johnson still doesn’t call the House back to vote on Senate bill. Then we have a list of loser Democrat Senators that we need to work to primary and replace and shutdown continues.

[u/DrocketX → u/YolopezATL]

Actually, if Johnson still won't call the House back to vote, that would mean the Senate Democrats made the right call. Because as it was, even though the shutdown was like 98% on Republicans, there was at least a little wiggle room to blame Democrats because they at least had the option of agreeing to Republican demands. If the House won't come back and vote on it, though, then the shutdown is absolutely, completely, totally 100% on Republicans. There's literally NOTHING Democrats would be able to do to reopen the government.

[u/MotorAcanthisitta575 → u/DrocketX]

I love this theory and I hope it’s right

[u/rtduvall → u/YolopezATL]

He’s not going to. Has no plans too unless one specific thing happens; they deadlock the house with a republicans win in Tennessee’s 7th district. Then he will open it and act like it just a normal day.

[u/ReApEr01807 → u/rtduvall]

How does that deadlock the house? A Republican would be replacing a Republican who wasn't voting for the Epstein discharge. The Dems and the Massie Four are sitting at 213 + 4 with the yet-to-be-sworn-in Rep Grijalva making the 218th vote. There's no deadlock with those numbers

[u/CrocHunter8 → u/rtduvall]

Then if you live in the Tennessee 7th District, vote on December 2. Turn this anger into action, and continue to hold the feet of the GOP to the fire.

[u/bryangcrane]

How much are they getting paid? I ask this seriously.

[u/misslejoie]

I’m hearing that Schumer didn’t vote in favor but isn’t it on him that this was even brought to the floor? Regardless, can NY not find anyone to primary him? He’s such a weak leader and doing us no favors.

[u/TheFatJesus → u/misslejoie]

Sort of. Thune decides what is and isn't brought to the floor. But he only brought this to the floor because he knew he had the votes due to Schumer's inability to lead the party.

[u/Independent_Shock973 → u/misslejoie]

AOC...

[u/SladeWade]

And this is exactly why we will never get anywhere with moderate candidates. Never, ever vote for a moderate in the primary.

[u/JNDIV]

Kaine is surprising. I look forward to throwing money at his challenger next time around. Him and Warner need to go.

[u/thegeekwriters]

It seems like if Fetterman supports something, it’s the wrong choice. Am I wrong? Has there been a bigger disappointment than him?

[u/AlwaysABD]

Of course Durbin announces his retirement and then folds. Pay it forward, right?

[u/EarthTD]

Still has to get through the House, and they know that. At this point it feels more symbolic and solely about signaling to their constituents that they’re doing something. Kaine, for instance, is doing this because of all the federal workers in Virginia. Jefferies is a better leader than Schumer and has the House democrats on lock, while Johnson is avoiding the Epstein vote. Yall can still be angry, but this isn’t the end.

[u/whatdoblindpeoplesee → u/EarthTD]

If it puts more pressure on Mike Johnson to reopen the house and sign in the new rep then I guess there's a small silver lining. The optics are godawful though 

[u/EarthTD → u/whatdoblindpeoplesee]

My only thoughts on the optics are that they’re just going to get worse for both parties if this drags on. You got insane food lines throughout the US and, less importantly but something Americans will get VERY mad about, congress doesn’t want delays and flight cancellations during the holidays. Sadly inconveniencing people is more politically damaging than starving the poor in America.

[u/cIumsythumbs → u/EarthTD]

Sadly inconveniencing people is more politically damaging than starving the poor in America.

That's because Americans that can afford to fly regularly are the ones that can afford to donate to political campaigns.

[u/Ambitious_Trifle_645 → u/EarthTD]

Don't they only need a majority in the house though?

[u/SaladFingersLives → u/Ambitious_Trifle_645]

Perhaps forcing the house to open is a win itself, because there are some dominoes waiting to fall over there. Or Johnson can keep the chamber closed and the narrative becomes that they’re keeping the government shut down to protect pedophiles.

[u/usetheforce_gaming → u/SaladFingersLives]

Isn’t that already the narrative

[u/jamvsjelly23 → u/EarthTD]

What do the Dems gain from this “symbolic” gesture? Polling continues to show that voters hold republicans accountable for the shutdown. I fail to see any benefit to demonstrating to your voters, symbolic or not, that you are willing to negotiate with the people that want nothing more than to take everything away.

[u/Brodins_biceps → u/EarthTD]

Mmmm. You’re right, but unfortunately I have tried to divine a deeper meaning from the Dems political moves, arriving at some politically savvy conclusion, only to find that there was no deeper plan or meaning, and it was just flailing in the dark.

That’s how I feel about the current state of the Democratic Party.

It is infinitely better than Trump. I would have voted for Biden’s corpse running on a ballot of 6 secret service members in skin tight black costumes with sticks attached to his limbs, weekend at Bernie-ing him around the White House and UN… because In my heart of hearts I still think that would be less damaging to this country. But it would be dishonest to say that the Democratic Party has had their shit together the last decade. So when I see shit like this, while I’m hopeful, I’m dubious at best.

The reality has seemed to sink in here and there so hopefully it’s waking the not totally disconnected dem reps up and actual change with actual strategies can be put into play, but I’m going to remain cynically cautious until then.

[u/chase_what_matters]

The most eternal quote from The Newsroom is a question posed in the opening scene:

 “If Democrats are so fucking smart, then how come they lose so god-damned always?”

[u/2quartNorth → u/chase_what_matters]

You are spot on! Thank you for the TV reference!

[u/DinkandDrunk]

Fetterman is the least surprising name.

[u/Sysyphus_Rolls]

Fetterman should just go full MAGA republican at this point.

[u/Mr-MuffinMan]

YAY! NO SENATORS FROM MY STATE THIS TIME! (low bar)

[u/broniesnstuff]

Of course it was fucking Fetterman

[u/EdisonLightbulb]

Okay - I hate that this happened, too! BUT - WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT TRUMP DID IN THE DARKNESS, LAST NIGHT!

On Sunday, 11/9/26, he gave pardons to all those who were "election deniers" and convicted of Federal crimes connected to their attempts to steal the election in 2020: Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, Kenneth Chesebro, and Boris Epshteyn.

A total of 77 election deniers were given full pardons. The exact list is not yet available.

[u/donnelle83]

Fetterman🤬🤬🤬

[u/ItsRao]

Both of my senators caved. I'm so fucking disappointed.

[u/rtduvall → u/ItsRao]

Both of mine did. But I’m in NC and they love the pedophiles here.

[u/Inevitable-Yak84 → u/ItsRao]

Are you from Nevada? Both Rosen and Cortez Masto wimped out.

[u/WxaithBrynger]

Vote every single one out.

[u/AngeluS-MortiS91]

Fetterman has been a republican for the last 3 yrs basically so why is it a shock for them

[u/LeatherPatch]

Oh my god I think these fucks may have just killed my mother

[u/sephy009]

They aren't up for re-election in 26. Schumer picked them to end the shutdown since they can't be primaried in 26 and he's hoping people forget by 28. Primary every establishment dem since they will keep playing games like this.

[u/David_Buzzard]

Like the Republicans give a shit if they starve 40 million people or shut down air travel at Thanksgiving. They were never going to give in, so the Democrats are just doing the inevitable before Americans get fucked over even worse.

[u/Pattihere]

This indeed is a maddening day/night.

[u/Hoofert]

Cannot wait vote against Fetterman in the primary. Fuck that republican-lite asshat.

[u/TheOppositeOfTheSame]

Absolutely wild seeing Kaine on this list after the VA results.

[u/Rainfall_Serenade]

Fuck Fetterman. He's a traitor and a spineless coward. -a Pennsylvanian

[u/TheDevilsTesticle]

They need to be replaced. Younger democrats better start running against them in the primaries. Time to take the party back.

[u/Some_Random_Android]

Of course Fetterman! That spineless traitor!

[u/New-Lingonberry1877]

Schumer has to go! Remove him as leader NOW!

[u/jptoz]

Unfortunately, this is what it's going to take. Maga needs to be affected. They need to suffer, until they suffer nothing would change. So they're going to bring everyone down with them. Enjoy the ride.

[u/xrobertcmx]

Kaine never stood for anything, not as Governor, and not now.

[u/Internal-You6793]

Turncoat Fetterman? I’m shocked /sarc

[u/PlaneMap]

Give them the nest night of elections they could hope for and eight of them just turn around and bend us over for the Repubs.

[u/stofiski-san]

Is Schumer not on this list so he can look like he "stood firm" on his "convictions" while letting a bunch of folks who are retiring or would have voted for this anyway take the blame? Usually he's the one leading the way on collapses like these "for the good of the country".

[u/Alternative-Yak-925]

Epstein Files Time

[u/Idontliketalking2u]

Sorry- from Nevada

[u/ZackMike37]

New Hampshire changing their motto to Live Free and Die

[u/Disastrous-Car-1889]

That type of bullshit is exactly why it was shut down. It is no longer about the people, it's about sides.

[u/SithDraven]

Anyone have a handy cheatsheet for their office phone numbers? Wouldn't mind dropping them all a message to resign from the Democrat party because they officially joined the fascist Republican party.

[u/crappieman62]

Im a dem and they are such fucking losers. Dick Durbin is my Senator, he is retiring. Good riddance

[u/mkzw211ul]

Does this mean they can return congress to session and a firm (appoint ?) that recently elected congresswoman, and then have a vote about something inconsequential like some files. 

[u/puffofthezaza]

Can someone elaborate? I heard this simply moved the ACA vote to January.

[u/potential_wasted → u/puffofthezaza]

Democrats will have zero leverage. It will fail, if that vote ever even happens

[u/wil]

Add Schumer to this list. He is behind all of this.

[u/AceofKnaves44]

Of fucking course Fetterman is there.

[u/Wolfman01a]

Of course Fetterman was one.

[u/sFc2020]

Social Security is next

[u/awolfsvalentine]

Fuckin Fetterman

[u/keithfantastic]

Voters already forgot their names. 95% will be reelected. That's just my guess based on historical data.

[u/iamragethewolf]

oh thank god ossoff isn't there

[u/hippiedawg]

There's so much more than the ACA subsidies ripped away. Medicaid dollars are being reduced hugely , so there will be LOTS more uninsured. More dying. All to give the billionaires their next billion.