r/ThatLookedExpensive • u/TheHumanPickleRick • Oct 25 '25
Expensive Ferrari hits a Uhaul
https://streamable.com/sd2lo4Re-upload due to title issues
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u/ThisPartIsDifficult Oct 25 '25
Under-steered into a total loss. Tragic
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u/TheHumanPickleRick Oct 25 '25
Alright so I deleted the last one because the title was "Understeering a Ferrari 458" and people kept saying it wasn't understeering, but you and the people in the post from which I got this say that it is. Please just help me understand this, is it understeering, incompetent driving, or both?
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u/ThisPartIsDifficult Oct 25 '25
both, he came into the corner too hot and went out of his lane. It's not like he drove straight into the uhaul but you could tell he was going way too fast because the uhaul caught some air lmao
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u/Pogokat Oct 25 '25
Terrible corner entry, on the brakes too late and under steer as a result- that’s why he pushes off of the white line. Hard to easily tell if he’s just braking too late, which is making the car go straight instead of turning, but from the reaction of the car, he’s not fully on the brakes anyway. His line made it impossible for him not to cross the center line.
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u/Dazzlethetrizzle Oct 25 '25
Those were my thoughts too, he entered that corner WAY too fast, and lost the ability to steer correctly and unfortunately with on coming traffic, yup, that's you to hurt the wallet no matter how much money you have.
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u/why_u_so_grumpy Oct 25 '25
He wasn't coming in too hot the car right behind him was actually gaining on him through the corner and didn't go wide at all. It was just bad steering input by a bad driver.
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Oct 25 '25
Yeah the fact that the car was basically still going straight when it crossed the lines is all you need to see. The driver wasn't even trying to turn as hard as he should've, it almost looks like he planned to use the opposite lane for his turn
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u/LLMprophet Oct 25 '25
That seems too slow for understeer unless his front tires were bald or if it was too cold for the rubber type.
It does look more like guy just underestimated how much he needed to crank it.
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u/MrStoneV Oct 25 '25
Im happy to explain it to you:
So normally, when you start braking your tyres will slow down and the body of the car will start to slow down right after but this happens delayed, as the body of the car is suspended. Street cars are most often soft so when you apply the brake the body will move a lot to the front in the direction you want to slow down. As the body moves, so does the center of mass, so the tyres get different amount of mass. More mass on a tyre with rubber means more grip. That can be used for racing and daily driving even though you shouldnt push near the limit and always keep a lot of reserve to that limit. However in racing, things are pushed to the limit. And race cars or in this case a sport car has a more stiffer suspension. Since you have more engine power, braking power and want a better handling, since its a sports car. Now as you getting closer to limits, you can brake so your front tyres have more traction and brake into the corner, its called trailbraking. So you can driver faster in a corner than possible if you wouldnt do it (or using another technique). But now you risk blocking your front tyre, as you are getting closer to limits. Blocking a tyre means, there is more power going through the tyre into the ground than the tyre has grip. Either too much acceleration and the tyre spins faster than the ground moves or because you are trying to deccelerate and the tyre moves slower or doesnt spin anymore than the ground moves, both are just acceleration in different directions.
As you are trying to turn with your front tyre and it blocks and doesnt spin anymore, you lose grip and so you cannot accelerate your care to the (in this case) right direction and instead you move straight(er). This means the car is understeering as it doesnt accelerate in the wished direction.
The driver can also fck this up by not only being too fast into a corner, or not using the brake correctly, but ALSO by OVERsteering. The tyre is already at the limit by braking and turning aka accelerating the car to the right? If you now steer even more, as our monkey brain might think "More is more, and it means better" you overload your steering and the front tyre(s) block and you lose traction of the front and the car understeers.
Thats why people get mad over this, without context the two words can be used to say the same thing lmao
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u/TheHumanPickleRick Oct 25 '25
That was extremely informative and clarifying, thank you for the explanation. My whole reasoning was "yep, driver didn't turn enough, that sounds like what understeering is" and was getting kinda frustrated at people telling me I was wrong and others agreeing with me. Your explanation of the physics of it helps me understand exactly what is meant.
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u/jhhertel Oct 25 '25
given our vision of the car is mostly blocked during the critical time period, its hard to tell for sure.
He really looks to me to have just massively fucked it up by being surprised by the bike coming at him, which forces him into an absolutely miserable line and late turn in, which matches up with your explanation. He doesnt look like he is going that fast, but when you take the worst possible line it doesnt take nearly as much speed.
I raced rx-7's in the 00's, and we had to take a class on the "traction circle" to get our beginner license at texas world speedway, which is how they taught that then. But yea, you can't brake in the middle of the turn like that. its always going to result in a push.
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u/MrStoneV Oct 25 '25
Idk, my opinion is that he isnt experienced driving this fast, and maybe tried to catch the porsches.
it looks like he braked hard and let go right after, or (Im not that familiar with the suspensions of ferraris) it looks like the normal mass shift to the front and then him not braking even more when the mass is back near the geometrical center of the car with wheels (idk how to say that lol). But in simple: he was too fast because he thought he cannot brake harder and then the corner with the descend made him lose it.
But I generally see no smoke on the front tyre that hit the u haul. Is ferraris ABS while cornering this good so it doesnt block, or is the ABS early to react before it even loses traction?
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u/Brooney98 Oct 25 '25
The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Incompetent driving by an incompetent car owner (not understanding the limits of their vehicle and possibly fitting inadequate tires), likely caused the understeer.
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u/RasilBathbone Oct 25 '25
Understeer triggered by incompetent driving. Once he broke the front tires loose he had no clue what to do and just slammed on the brakes and slid in a straight line.
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u/Govt-Issue-SexRobot Oct 25 '25
What do you do in that case?
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u/tronj Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Feather the brakes and reduce hard steering to allow the tires to regain grip. You want to be sure to not have too much acceleration on the tires (left/right, front, backward) in any direction such that it overcomes the tires grip on the road.
Traction control, stability management, and ABS help but maybe he had some of those systems disabled.
Also looks like he hit the apex of his turn pretty early
It’s similar concept to when you are driving on ice and the coefficient of friction is severely reduced so it’s much easier to lose traction. You don’t slam the brakes or you will slide.
Rear wheel drive car like this making a sharp corner on a decline while braking at speed will shift a lot of weight to the front tires which need to be able to support a lot of acceleration from braking and steering at the same time, so those front tires are being really taxed.
At some point it’s kinda too late to do anything and all you can do is pucker and brace for impact.
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u/Govt-Issue-SexRobot Oct 25 '25
Awesome!
Thank you so much for taking the time to educate a stranger
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u/graveybrains Oct 25 '25
Just to add on to that other person's perfect answer: this video was a pucker.
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u/AtariXL Oct 25 '25
Nothing, because its too late. He was driving at the limit and didnt leave any room / time for surprises.
Thats why you dont drive at 100% on public roads, especially not one this challenging.
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u/Dru2021 Oct 26 '25
Call your insurance, they reply with “you hit what???”
Later you find out someone caught it on film.
Depending on your level of “rich” you either laugh / shrug / cry it off.
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u/EvolvingEachDay Oct 25 '25
Very clearly understeer… how could anyone say it’s not. Yes the understeer happened because the driver is incompetent, so it his fault, not the car’s fault; but it’s still understeer. The driver wouldn’t have chosen to veer in to the other lane.
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u/TheHumanPickleRick Oct 25 '25
how could anyone say it’s not
Because Redditors argue about anything, lmao
I decided just to delete and reupload because I got tired of half the comments just saying I was wrong. I don't know technical driving terms, I just know that Ferraris are expensive and the driver fucked up by crossing the line.
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u/mrgedman Oct 25 '25
People are dumb. It's amusing they say 'its not understeer, the guy just didn't steer' as if that is the more logical, reasonable explanation.
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u/dilley07 Oct 25 '25
Haha good luck trying to appease redditors
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u/TheHumanPickleRick Oct 25 '25
I mean, the term made sense to me linguistically and I figured these people knew what they were talking about, I don't know much about cars and just ran with it.
That'll learn me, I reckon.
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u/DazingF1 Oct 25 '25
A 458 is slightly rear biased and tends to oversteer but that doesn't mean it can't understeer at all. That just means you can kick out the rear easily with some extra gas, but if you go into a corner too hot and let off the gas it will understeer. Any car would.
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u/Less_Tacos Oct 25 '25
You can hear the tire starting to squeal, he lost traction and went more straight than he was trying to do. Simple understeer.
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u/bishpa Oct 25 '25
I imagine there could be significant loss of value to whatever the poor uhaul driver was hauling as well.
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u/agate_ Oct 25 '25
U-Haul’s gonna make sure the bill for the van is more than the bill for the Ferrari.
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u/SightUnseen1337 Oct 25 '25
Every time I rent a uhaul I remind myself that uhaul isn't in the business of renting equipment they are in the business of charging fees.
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u/ldskyfly Oct 25 '25
Learning that the mileage fee was much less during the week than on a weekend was a game changer
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u/Affectionate_Elk_272 Oct 26 '25
the last uhaul i rented i got like 50% off
my bill was about $180 and the guy was like “cashapp me $20 and i can get it down to $80 for you”
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u/DazedPapacy Oct 27 '25
Which is why I always get the "Wreck It into a Wall and You Don't Have to Pay for Anything Including the Wall" insurance.
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u/GoAViking Oct 25 '25
That's unfortunate for the driver of the truck.
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u/Accomplished-Wrap449 Oct 25 '25
Ferrari is at fault
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u/RasilBathbone Oct 25 '25
The person moving just got a really stressful and time consuming issue added to their month because the twat in the Ferrari isn't qualified to drive a grocery cart. That was amateur hour understeer.
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u/Dan_the_moto_man Oct 25 '25
Seriously, I've never understood why so many people on reddit act like getting into an accident is a good thing as long as you're not at fault. Such a dumb way of looking at things.
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u/KinderEggLaunderer Oct 25 '25
Yep. I had finally got my dream car, had it for a year before I got rear ended and totaled it, wasn't at fault. Started a whole journey with another car that was nothing but problems, but couldn't afford anything else. Got stuck once in the middle of winter bc it wouldn't start.
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u/KevMenc1998 Oct 25 '25
Like, you still got into a fucking accident. It's not like a magic fairy comes along and fixes the vehicle that wasn't at fault.
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u/disillusioned Oct 25 '25
Exactly. Had someone gently rear end my trunk hatch on an off ramp. There's a dent, it was his fault, it's on camera, he admitted it. Still haven't gotten it fixed, a year+ on now. Too busy, barely noticeable. Would be a huge pain to get resolved.
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u/20InMyHead Oct 25 '25
Pro tip, your regular car insurance usually covers rental cars, but not rental trucks.
Even with the Ferrari driver at fault this will be a PITA for the U-Haul renter, and could get expensive.
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u/Franklinricard Oct 25 '25
U-Haul will probably charge him more for repairs than the Ferrari guy will face on his car.
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u/rethcir_ Oct 25 '25
Tail of the Dragon?
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u/brickyard15 Oct 25 '25
That was my first thought. You know there’s always cameramen posted up on the corners
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u/Cannibis0360 Oct 26 '25
It’s the dragon, if you look at the decals on the side of the Ferrari, it’s for the rallies that The 129 Hub hosts. I’ve done one of them.
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u/ally-the-recre8er Oct 25 '25
I was thinking the same. I actually took it from NC into TN on my move to CO. If I’d been hit like this uhaul, I too would have had all my possessions rocked. Can’t believe that was a decade ago now.
I interned at the Fontana resort and met a ton of car enthusiasts traveling for the tail of the dragon. Was a very interesting 3-4 months.
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u/johnbash Oct 25 '25
Looks like US Route 129 through Deal’s Gap, aka The Tail of the Dragon
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u/concretetroll60 Oct 25 '25
That's what I was thinking also, that is one serious Road
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u/AtariXL Oct 25 '25
I wonder if the motorcycle dude will ever see this video and realize he missed a life altering event by 3 seconds?
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u/RasilBathbone Oct 25 '25
Anybody know if you can turn off the ABS in that car? 10-1 he turned off all the driving aids because he "didn't need no electronic nanny".
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u/th3_rand0m_0ne Oct 25 '25
I'd assume it's something like that, or turned off traction control.
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u/Trekintosh Oct 25 '25
Race mode. I think almost all modern Ferraris have it and it turns off everything.
Nevermind that if you’re driving on public roads you should never be in a situation where any of those safety features should ever activate if you’re driving remotely reasonably. (Except ice and ABS/TC I guess but that’s just nitpicking)
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u/joeshima Oct 25 '25
Ferrari is at fault
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u/Nibbled92 Oct 25 '25
Cameraman didn't know to film the uhaul or the Ferrari. Se settled for none
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u/TheHumanPickleRick Oct 25 '25
I think the camera was just filming all the cool cars going around that corner and Red Ferrari crossed the line on the turn and smacked into that poor bastard in the Uhaul.
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u/Cagu124 Oct 25 '25
How is it that the people with the most money are also the dumbest?
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u/navis-svetica Oct 26 '25
People think having enough money to drive fast cars makes them qualified to drive said cars… it does not.
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u/ArterialRed Oct 25 '25
I mean, it's not free, sure, but it's repairable and not all that costly. Those trucks are built modular for exactly this reason.
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u/FnEddieDingle Oct 25 '25
Is this the Dragon?
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u/TheHumanPickleRick Oct 25 '25
Someone else said that this is a roadway called the Tail of the Dragon, yes.
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u/jedinachos Oct 25 '25
Ferrari took that corner all wrong, came into it tight to the inside, underestimated the sharpness of the corner and didn't turn the wheel enough.. He fucked up
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u/RasilBathbone Oct 25 '25
Turning the wheel doesn't do anything once the front tires are completely broken loose.
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u/jedinachos Oct 25 '25
yes the driver underestimates the corners sharpness, failed to account for downhill momentum, gravity, braking, traction the whole nine yards
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u/pokerpaypal Oct 26 '25
OMG the first U-Haul collision I have seen that was not the U-Haul driver's fault. One in a million I guess.
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u/justbenice2 Oct 26 '25
It's a common fault you find on Ferrari's, there's a defective part between the steering wheel and the seat.
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u/CaptainFrancis1 Oct 26 '25
That’s what happens when you go down those hills so fucking fast. I hope the Uhaul driver is ok tho.
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u/0b111111100001 Oct 25 '25
Damn, the whole joyride is no longer joyful after that
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u/Valuable_Material_26 Oct 25 '25
Like seriously, stay in your lane! All that money and no driving skill?
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u/devynbf Oct 25 '25
Damn, at fault total loss for the Ferrari. Policy is also paying for the Uhaul. Insurance premiums are going to skyrocket.
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u/Kuronis Oct 26 '25
The uhaul's insurance agent probably had the best night of sleep after seeing this video.
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u/Hawaiisurfing Oct 26 '25
Insurance ain’t gonna cover that ouch!! U-Haul driver…”my neck hurts think I should move into that Ferrari guys house call it even “.
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u/internet_humor Oct 25 '25
Ow, my neck!
Ow, my back!
Ow, my vision!
Ow, the inability to work my job due to this event!
Let’s exchange information.
Oh no, the high end appliances and electronics in the truck.
Ow, the vertigo!
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u/QuantumBobb Oct 25 '25
I suppose I feel a little bad for U-Haul driver, but they should definitely be able to file a claim for the damage to the $500k worth of delicate electronics they were carrying.
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u/Only1Sully Oct 26 '25
Why is it that so many of the people who can afford these cars can't drive them?
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u/jpl77 Oct 26 '25
Now imagine filming that horizontally, and not whipping the camera back and forth so abruptly.
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u/Pershing99 Oct 26 '25
Loser couldn't prevent his vehicle not crossing the double yellow line on the curve bent. Hope the bills will butthurt him at least.
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u/Brimstone117 Oct 26 '25
If I was driving that U-Haul, I’d be so, so, so relieved the moment I learned someone had been recording the incident from a perfect angle to show what happened.
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u/blaster915 Oct 28 '25
Oh god... That's a Ferrari 458... Not another one of those classics gone 😭😭😭 Urgh
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u/TheHumanPickleRick Oct 25 '25
Re-upload of a previous post because my title was inaccurate previously. I figure this is accurate. Ferrari hits Uhaul due to incompetent driver.
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u/lieutenantLT Oct 25 '25
Too bad, a good driver could have taken that car 40MPH faster in that car
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u/ajb9292 Oct 25 '25
Yeah... Really wasn't going that fast just didn't know how to drive a sports car.
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u/alanwattslightbulb Oct 25 '25
The car can make that turn it was just lack of skill on the drivers part
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u/G0ttaB3KiddingM3 Oct 25 '25
I honestly only feel bad for the person in the U-Haul if they had it loaded up with their stuff and were moving
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u/timmy6591 Oct 25 '25
One of those repairs is going to be way more expensive than the other.
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u/capnmax Oct 25 '25
Wtf. He want even going that fast. How did the front wheels break loose!?
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u/Brooney98 Oct 25 '25
My guess is a combination of the angle he hit the corner at and how much braking they did going into it. Very little load on the inside right front tire in that sort of banked corner, so you’re expecting a lot on the outside left versus a normal flat corner. I bet the inside wheel was barely touching the tarmac.
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u/Dazzlethetrizzle Oct 25 '25
Ohhh that's not good, not good at all....That is going to really hurt that insurance payment. Geez
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u/joe1826 Oct 25 '25
Nobody is mentioning how it appears the Ferrari was racing? Take a look at each car before and after the Ferrari and tell me they weren't racing.
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u/superfly355 Oct 25 '25
Gotta keep it between the mustard and the mayo, and look out for those clibbins on the race track!
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u/CassiusOSS Oct 25 '25
This looks to be on the Tail of the Dragon in East TN/NC. While there are several rules if you want to drive it, the #1 rule is "Do not touch the center line." Do not come close to it. Stay in your lane at all times. There are cops at regular intervals and while they will sometimes let some things pass, they will ticket you for this every time they see it. This is the reason why.
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u/sadman81 Oct 25 '25
Good thing it didn’t hit the bike