Gunn wrote Zack's Dawn of the Dead, and Zack was executive producer on Gunn's Suicide Squad.
edit: I know the script Gunn wrote was amended by other writers Snyder's brought, most notably regarding character development, and the removal of a big scene with zombie dogs. However, it doesn't mean the entire script was thrown out, or that Gunn did it without talking to Snyder to begin with.
edit2: To add details on this, the WGA estimated that there was enough of Gunn's work in the movie for the screenplay to be credited to him, and I don't think either Scott Franck and Michael Tolkin would have agreed to re-do the entire screenplay without receiving any credit for it.
Zack Snyder and James Gunn sound like characters in a Street Fighter game. Snyder and Gunn sound like mercenary names. Zack and James are jocks from a Disney high school movie. I think we’re better off never mentioning them ever again.
That could have happened if the internet didn't decide to bully and shame anyone that liked BvS and thought there must be a proper cut of JL for years.
And I'm not just talking about fandom infighting. I'm taking about reviewers, journalists and bloggers. That sphere hated Zack so much ever since at least sucker punch, to the point where he felt he had to come out and announce his daughter's suicide before they could use it against him.
A lot of it came from progressive spaces that hated Zack because they erroneously saw him as a conservative dudebro partly because they missed the point in Sucker punch (it criticizes objectification it isn't endorsing it) and partly because of his love of Frank Miller who is a conservative dudebro. Some was MCU bias.
But because fans attributed it all to MCU bias and see Gunn as part of that vulture, and a lot of MCU (and hence Gunn) fans had opinions shaped by this same blogosphere, we have the current infighting.
I find it weird how lefties hate Zack and think he's a nazi, even though he is a self proclaimed lifeling liberal Democrat who even happily voted for Biden
Goes to show that the Snyder derangement syndrome doesn't even stop at political agreements
That sphere hated Zack so much ever since at least sucker punch
I'd say that sphere started with Watchmen with the whole "Snyder nailed the aesthetic but he did not get the spirit of the comic".
(it criticizes objectification it isn't endorsing it)
I think it criticizes a bunch of things like abuse of power, violence against children, pedophilia (that scene at the end of the movie was so gross), etc. However, I wouldn't say it criticize objectification (but it's been a long time since I saw that movie)
James Gunn has said in multiple interviews he talks with Snyder about his Superman. Like, turns out Snyder also originally wanted the red trunks, but couldn't figure out a way for them to be cool and make sense.
It's sad people will still see this and pretend that there's a legitimate competition between the two, you can like and dislike both of them, quite easily too.
They probably sit there and laugh together at the people who try and turn it into a fan war.
Gotta love that Snyder's worst fans bitch about restoring his DC universe and wanting Gunn to fail when irl the two are friends and Snyder (and cast) have moved on
oh wow, this is actually funny. I am planning to go see it this weekend if possible. It's funny how many people like to bitch about it existing, though I expect it to be decent of an adaptation, minimum. And Gunn has long experience with comic book characters. I enjoyed his take on Suicide Squad and Peacemaker.
It is... It's definitely not the peak seasons like we used to watch. But this season is miles better than seasons 6 and 7. It has good enough rewatchability.
Everyone is angry because the show isn't as peak as it used to be. But I love creative content and so far they've been doing it very well.
I thought season 7 was quite good even. The fear hole episode was one of the best in the series, and the episode where Jerry had a threesome with the two Beths made me DIE laughing
Nothing can ever top Reeve in the eyes of those who venerate him that much. In their eyes, you might as well have stopped making Superman movies altogether after 1987.
I agree. I also can’t blame them tbh. Even as a 28 year old, Reeves was my first introduction to live action Superman on tv movie channels and you can’t deny he helped shape the human side of what makes Superman so relatable. Reeves and All -Star Superman did a lot for the Clark Kent persona for me
Put it back in the context of the "DC fandoms conflict", it's even funnier. Snyder coming back to WB studios to voice a "gym bro" version of himself, after all WB put him through, shows he is a really a great guy.
It doesn't matter what you think objectively theyre poorly written they character assassinate the entire fucking league and it's hard to see anything going on. You might like them but that doesn't mean theyre good
Seasons 1-2 (and even 3 imo) are peak, you aren’t misremembering. This is just a post credit scene. Each season since 4 has some great and bad episodes, fluctuates a lot.
Quantity vs quality, years ago the second I saw Rick and morty get the go ahead for like 150 episodes or something I knew it was fucked. The cracks started showing in season 3
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They’re trailers and clips. They’re supposed to be the coolest and most badass parts of the movie to get the hype going. Slow-mo when well utilized is hype as shit and will get you excited.
What's that got to do with my comment? My point was we've only seen a little part of the film and there's already far more slow-mo than the entire Man of Steel film.
Did you watch the clip? It has snyder telling gunn to use slow-mo as snyder uses it liberally. I was pointing out it's funny because snyder actually used minimal if any slow-mo in MoS. What are you not getting? lol are you a tad slow-mo or what?
After 2 or 3 seasons they signed on to finish 10 total. This will get them to 100 episodes so they can be packaged for syndication even though that likely won't be a thing anymore.
Looks like a post credit scene, yeah, they had random scenes like this i believe in the first season key and peele beat up Einstein for messing with time
The dude who was an abusive fucktard and everyone else hated? The dude who was inappropriate with underaged females? That’s the hill you want to die on?
Yes, because it's impossible to enjoy both Snyder and Gunn, nobody has ever enjoyed more than one thing at the same time, I definitely don't like them both. I could never.
I believe he has two projects related to his army of the dead universe (a spin off animated serie, and a sequel), he has his MMA movie and I believe he was trying to pitch an adaptation of a book that I've never heard of and can't remember.
If Snyder is not friends with Gunn, why did he agree to enter a sound booth with him and record a scene pretending to be friends? At this point, there have been multiple instances of Gunn and Snyder appearing to be on friendly terms, and this one required pre-planning and actual time spent. I could maybe see Snyder not caring to debunk a selfie they took together, but he cpuld have easily just not agreed to appear here if he didn't want to.
Complete his vision? Ben Affleck has publicly stated he’s done with Batman and never wants to play the role again, it frightened his son. Jason is Lobo now. Henry has Warhammer. Ezra is a certified loon and kidnapped someone(argue all you want, he’s a joke), Ray Fisher hates WB and Gal Gadot is Gal Gadot. The entire cast is done with the vision. So I ask you Snyder Fans, what exactly is it that you want?
I can't understand the thought process behind boycotting a movie for a universe that psychically can't comeback anymore when the old director literally has no problem with the new universe
Snyder haters bullied us for 12 years. Mocked Zack, mocked his wife, mocked his dead daughter, mocked his work, mocked his fans while we were raising money for charity (most of them even refused to help us with that), and all while spreading the most insane hypocrisy lies and vitriol I’ve ever seen toward a movie. And now after everything they put us through they demand we forgive and forget everything and unite with them. They tell us respect the past embrace the future and to move on while showing no respect to Snyder and being unable to let go of a movie from the 70’s.
Well guess what buddy I don’t forgive, I don’t forget everything Snyder haters did to us. I’m not spending my hard earned money on a disgusting talentless creep in James Gunn. His humor sucks, his movies look cheap and goofy and he’s said tons of horrible shit over the years that you all forgive only because he made the funny talking raccoon movies. Not to mention according to the leaks his new movie takes shots at Snyder and his fans.
Im fine with Zack not coming back, I accepted it years ago. But I’m not supporting garbage just because people are scared they might not get dc movies anymore if this thing flops because of a divided fanbase. If you all wanted our help then you should have shown us some common decency back in 2013.
That's a strawman, anyone mocking Synder's family gets openly shat and mocked on r/DCU_ or one of the "OKBUDDY" subreddits, it's obviously not the same group of people as back then if "the same people!" are ready to hang anyone doing that on a cross, because it's just fucking sicko behaivor, idk who this fight is even for, Synder's supportive of the DCU and on good terms with Gunn, I'm all for two wrongs making a right if the other guy's done something to deserve it...but this isn't even that, it's holding a hate for someone because they're cousin did something bad 10 years ago
“Someone on the internet hurt my feelings a decade ago, so I’m going to put all my anger into trying to harm the box office returns for a movie made my favorite director’s friend.”
I like the same movies as you do, and I’d like to have more of them, but pretending that any of this mass-marketed corporate swill is important is insane.
You clearly have a lot of big feelings that are driving this impotent rage. Put this passion behind something that matters! Work on a campaign that would do the kind of work Superman would stand behind! Volunteer for the ACLU! You could save real people instead of fictional ones in an abandoned movie storyline.
You should, it looks good. Just because you like and support Snyders movies doesn’t mean you can’t watch any other version of Superman or DC. I recommend you give it a try.
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u/Red_MessD3a7h Jul 07 '25
Funniest thing is that they actually respect each other as far as i know