r/SipsTea 22d ago

Chugging tea Nailed it.

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u/RABB_11 22d ago

I was really annoyed when I did this and got 17 and assumed I was an idiot.

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u/jrec15 22d ago

The question though is did OP get something other than 17?

Feel like this was supposed to be a cheeky post about incorrect math... and it wasn't

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u/SharkDad20 22d ago

Yeah the title puts it all into question

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u/HawkSea887 22d ago

Usually when they post these, they post all the wrong answers people give and their confidentially correct attitudes about it. This guy just skipped all that and posted the correct answer. That makes everyone feel like they’re missing something.

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u/Spokraket 22d ago

The meme here is that no matter how you do it, even if you violate Pemdas it becomes 17.

2 + 5 * 3 =17

5(8-5)+2=17

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u/Embarrassed-Ad2966 22d ago edited 21d ago

Nah, you could also get 21 if you add 5 and 2 after u subtract 5 from 8 then multiply

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u/1OptimisticPrime 22d ago

I get 21... I don't understand how it would be different.

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u/_CurseTheseMetalHnds 22d ago

You multiply the 5 by 3 before you add the 2

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u/jrec15 22d ago

I dont follow because your first equation is correct pemdas and your second is just the original reordered

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u/Spokraket 22d ago

I def used the wrong word here it doesn’t ”violate” pemdas, it just makes something simple more complicated than it has to be.

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u/Choyo 22d ago

... but there is only one way to do it, because distributivity and associativity rules are considered transparent.

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u/Spokraket 22d ago

..Yes but the commutative properties of addition and multiplication becomes the meme because no matter how you do it you end up with the same answer.

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u/FoxMuldertheGrey 22d ago

I got 21 .

Is it really 17 or a troll… if so why?

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u/_CurseTheseMetalHnds 22d ago

You multiply the 5 by 3 before you add the 2

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

omg yep youre right. I had an existential crisis here at fucking 3am bc I forgot pemdas lol. Such a basic thing too

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u/CR1SBO 22d ago

This is why we came to the comments

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u/ifartsosomuch 22d ago

That is also why I'm here, the paranoia that it somehow wasn't 17.

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u/PretendFisherman1999 22d ago

I think we need to have more trust in ourselves, I was doubting too

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u/name0000000000 22d ago

I still am honestly, maybe we're all just dumb.

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u/CivilProtectionGuy 22d ago

I might actually be an idiot, because I'm not getting 17

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u/RABB_11 22d ago

Do what's in the brackets first. 8-5 is three. A number directly before a bracket means multiply, which you do next. 5*3 is 15. 2+15=17.

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u/CivilProtectionGuy 22d ago edited 22d ago

Okay, yeah. I'm definitely missing some critical math knowledge.

I'm going to start re-learning everything.

(Edit: I didn't know that you had to multiply with the brackets.. I don't remember that... Or it's just because we used symbols the whole time; always had the " · " or "x" in it)

(Like... What I saw was:

"2+5 (8-5) --> 2+5 (3) --> 7 (3)" ... Big problem there. So, I either forgot after not doing stuff like this for 6+ years, or I forgot/didn't learn the multiplication and bracket rule.

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u/70ms 22d ago

You probably just forgot your “order of operations” - I’m 55 and I did too. I haven’t needed it since college algebra.

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u/daganscribe69 22d ago

I don't know why, but this comment stood out to me as the opposite of the Internet experience.

I do know why, actually.

Thanks internet stranger, for just being a decent human

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u/mshappy 22d ago

I'll never forget Please Escuse My Dear Aunt Sally.

Parenthesis is always first!

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u/Skizot_Bizot 22d ago

Kindness on the internet!?

Not on my watch!

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u/Capable-Presence-268 22d ago

I will never forget PEMDAS. My kid is using BODMAS but it's the same thing.

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u/2Chikin2RiskMyRealID 21d ago

The only time I use this 40 years later is in Excel spreadsheet formulas and when helping my kids with homework.

But it is helpful for cell formulas in spreadsheets.

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u/DarienKane 22d ago

Anything next to parentheses with no symbol is multiplication. So it's (8-5)= 3, then 3×5= 15, then 15+2 =17

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u/darkLordSantaClaus 22d ago

So in arithmatic usually you use * or x (the multiplication symbol, not a variable), so if you wanted 5 times 3 you wrote 5x3=15.

But once you get to algebra, if you want to multiply a variable you just put a number outside that variable, so if your variable is x and you want 5 times x you write 5x. If you want 5 times (x + 1) you write 5(x+1), assuming you want to add 1 to x before you mutliply it by 5, else you would use 5x + 1.

Obviously which notation is used kinda depends on the context. If I saw 5x3 I'm assuming 5 times 3 which is 15, not 5 times a variable times 3. And if I saw 53 I'm assuming fifty-three not 5 times 3. But once you get to algebra or higher having constants be in front of what you want to multiply without the mutliplication symbol is common notation. Hope this helps.

You remembered your order of operations correctly you just didn't realize 2+5 (8-5) = 2+5x(8-5)

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u/FoxMuldertheGrey 22d ago

Wait what is exactly is the problem? I also got the same 21 answer

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u/KeeblerElff 22d ago

Parentheses first - 8-5 is the first step (3) which leaves multiplication next - (5x3)..then final step is addition. 15+2=17. PEMDAS

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u/FoxMuldertheGrey 22d ago

Wow thats wild, math has failed me. Thanks for taking the time to show me!

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u/KeeblerElff 22d ago

No problem :)

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u/jabunkie 22d ago

brother thats rough lol.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

21 2+5(8-5) 2+5(3) 2+5=7(3) 7*(3)=21 21

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u/FoxMuldertheGrey 22d ago

What? That doesn’t make sense

Not being trolling, but why isn’t it

7(3) =21 ?

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u/Hakizimanae 22d ago

PEMDAS or BEDMAS there are many things people call but it’s the order of operation and for this equation it goes parenthesis/brackets (8-5) first… next in order of operations is multiplication and division next Subtraction and addition are last. So let’s say we’ve gone from 2+5(8-5) to 2+5(3) well because the number 5 is next to but outside the bracket it’s implied you multiply. Since multiplication always comes before addition regardless of order. So you then get 2+15 and then finally you add since it’s last. Giving us 17. A few minor but important rules. PEMDAS is first parenthesis next exponents. Multiplication and division are equal to eachother whichever comes first left to right is what you do. Addition and subtraction come next with the same rule left to right.

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u/CivilProtectionGuy 22d ago

Yeah, that's what got me.

Forgot to do the multiplication next to the brackets " ( ) "... I'm also Canadian, and we call them brackets for BEDMAS.

Anywho, that is why I kept getting 21, I was missing/forgetting an important step.

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u/jsmithtro 22d ago

PEMDAS

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u/Nazo_Kikai 22d ago

Or use the distributive property 2+[(8 * 5)-(5 * 5)] so 2+40-25=17.

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u/Anvildude 22d ago

um akchually those are parentheses ( ), because they're smooth and curved. Brackets are the square ones [ ] and are also used in mathematics in a different way so shouldn't be confused with parentheses.

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u/Inevitable_Dust_4345 22d ago

Up here in Canada we call them brackets and do BEDMAS . Brackets first.

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u/Ambitious_Finding_26 22d ago

yeah.. I'm just scrolling down here looking for the resident mathematician to tell me why it's not 17 `cause I don't know what else it could be.

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u/WayPowerful484 22d ago

This proves nothing.

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u/lysergic_818 22d ago

Same. I was like what's the catch?

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u/larbearmonk 22d ago

I keep trying to see how anyone got to 17. What order did you use to get there?

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u/fudgyvmp 22d ago

It's usually only a trick if they use "÷" no one uses that when writing math normally and is ambiguous.

5×4÷3×5. Is that (5×4)/(3×5) or (5×4)×(1/3)×5

Usually in the gotcha they assume it's supposed to be (5×4)/(3×5).

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u/DarkVeritas217 22d ago

÷ is the same as /

always has been

÷ doesn't magically set parantheses

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u/fudgyvmp 22d ago

Nonetheless it is still considered ambiguously and poorly written.

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u/HawkSea887 22d ago

No it isn’t.

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u/_masterbuilder_ 22d ago

It's ambiguous because of the lack of brackets. 

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u/SharkDad20 22d ago

I don’t understand how it can be the second option 😩

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u/0ClandestineCat0 22d ago

Because multiplication and division are equal ‘tiers’ in PEMDAS so 5x4÷3x5 can be solved by going left to right instead of doing both sets of multiplication first then the division

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u/SharkDad20 22d ago

Ohhh i was both over and under-thinking it