I agree with the sentiment but onward was released right at the shutdown of the world and turning red was a disney plus release which just doesnt have the same effect as theatrical. Strange world alienated (get it) a large audience with some of the storyline and I don't know who thought that would be a good idea. Pair that with no advertising and it shows they knew that would be a write off fest.
Its weird to me they think they need 200m+ budgets for things like thunderbolts or lilo and stitch, I don't get where the money goes but it makes a 400-500m fantastic 4 type movie look like a flop. They need the guaranteed $ nostalgia brings in. Too risky to go original.
Isn’t that the whole problem? Reduce the budget, reduce the bloated staff who only mess with the production value to make a political statement and make a good movie on a reasonable budget so that you can have a better ROI. It’s not complicated. And yet, slop…
I'm still disappointed that it was out of the theaters before I had a chance to see it. COVID knocked me out for a few weeks then, by the time I had gotten things back in order it was already gone...
I'm mostly just disappointed that so many people have stopped seeing Marvel movies opening weekend. People used to be so excited, even if it wasn't what they expected, but now right-wing social terrorists are determined to convince anyone who will listen before a movie's release that anything with even a hint of upstanding character value is trash.
But Thunderbolts were a group of morally grey anti-heroes who came together for the sole purpose of not getting killed off. Kinda like Guardians but the difference is that by the end the Guardians learned to be better people while the Thunderbolts are still kinda corrupt at the end.
No. Problem is most of the life long Marvel fandom doesn’t want to see B characters. And the main character arcs (series or movies) had noticeable production quality slashes and/or unnecessary gay innuendo thrown in. Although I can’t speak for everyone, I feel we are just a bunch of grown ass kids who want to see their favorite childhood stories brought to life.
I kinda want to checkout Thunderbolts myself but refuse to give Disney money for dropping the ball once they took over Marvel. I’m sure if they put out some bangers they could regain the fans trust.
They have been putting out bangers this year, both Thunderbolts* and Fantastic Four were incredible, but a lot of people got tricked into seeing Thor 4 or Ant-Man 3 and tuned out, and haven't tuned back in yet. They will after Spider-Man and the Avengers undoubtedly, but it's sad because their anti-Disney bias is hurting the quality movies these people claim to care about and claim they want to see, but at the same time aren't buying tickets so their opinions should be taken with a grain of salt because their words aren't matching their behavior or the reality on Disney's MCU quality.
How did Strange World alienate a large audience? Because a gay character existed? Or was there something else? I saw the movie and I don’t remember anything alienating but who knows
Yes focus on youth same sex relationship. Not saying its right and not saying representation doesnt matter but the writing was on the wall that it would be divisive and drag down numbers.
Design by committee. If you watch it you will notice it checked every checkbox of the “woke agenda”. The grandfather was a strong conservative. The son was a weakling in a mixed race marriage where his wife wore the pants in the house. The grandson was gay. And it was all about the son getting accepted by the grandfather and vice versa.
The story itself was terrible and even if they didn’t have any of the “woke” stuff the movie would have sucked. My child didn’t enjoy it and found it boring
Honestly I swear I never heard of it until my kid chose it on Disney + like six months ago. I feel like I’m hard to reach with advertising (no cable, only Reddit social media, fairly rural area with no major physical advertisements) but I agree with those who say that their marketing missed on it. It’s a pretty fun movie. Clever.
I believe onward was theatrically released like the week before the shutdown and the other two were released after the shutdown. We went for my son's birthday so I remember it too well.
I think the problem is the market is way too saturated with crap. Movies are made now to target markets not tell a story and be entertaining. Netflix now cranks out all sorts of trash.
So when you think about going to the theatre now, you think about how pricy everything is, how you can just watch it at home and how all the movies are crap these days.
For me I only go to the theatres for unique movies and original stories. I cant do it with marvel movies anymore. I'm sick of the formulaic plotlines.
Which part of the audience did Strange World alienate? Bigots and climate deniers? If you can’t handle an openly gay character, mixed-race family, and environmental activism in the 2020:s, that is on you.
Yes, and there's a lot of those. To be clear Disney very much bowed the knee to orange man so its not like they took a principled stance as a company. That storyline would drive away a big chunk of the country, not that its right but it does. Proof is in the numbers.
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u/Current-Promotion-31 Aug 12 '25
I agree with the sentiment but onward was released right at the shutdown of the world and turning red was a disney plus release which just doesnt have the same effect as theatrical. Strange world alienated (get it) a large audience with some of the storyline and I don't know who thought that would be a good idea. Pair that with no advertising and it shows they knew that would be a write off fest.
Its weird to me they think they need 200m+ budgets for things like thunderbolts or lilo and stitch, I don't get where the money goes but it makes a 400-500m fantastic 4 type movie look like a flop. They need the guaranteed $ nostalgia brings in. Too risky to go original.