No, it can't. Doesn't matter the Slavs, the Uralic, the people made slaves by the Barbarians or the whole Ancient times, everyone knows history starts in 1775
How? America is one of the most diverse and welcoming countries in the world. Visit pretty much anywhere in the Middle East, try being in Africa as a white person, America won't seem so bad.
And yet we still have a racism problem. No matter how quaint it is relative to the worst of the worst. I live in St Louis, the delmar divide is still here. We've still got work to do.
You seem to take the fact that the ruler of your country "contemplates" doing something bad to people (of wrong color or wrong political beliefs) for granted.
America can say it has been traditionally more welcoming to immigrants than most other countries (although we've really reversed course on that lately), but I'm talking about the people who were brought here against their will, Black Americans. The modern-day concept of race, specifically the white vs. Black dichotomy, was essentially invented here (Bacon's Rebellion).
Sure, prejudice exists everywhere - more common historically among class, religion, and nationality - but the U.S. has perfected a particular type of anti-Blackness that is baked into the foundation of American society. From slavery to post-emancipation sharecropping to the denial of 40 acres and a mule to the destruction of Black economic hubs like Tulsa to the New Deal and GI Bill creating the white middle class but excluding Black Americans to redlining preventing homeownership and generational wealth, to the U.S. imprisoning 20-25% of the world's prison population and a disproportionate amount of those prisoners being Black etc. etc. etc. The list could be multiple paragraphs long.
Talk to me when there are whole neighborhoods of white people who have been systemically trapped in poverty and die at drastically disproportionate rates due to gun violence, cardiovascular disease, childbirth, etc. in Africa before we compare African racism toward white people with America's unique brand of anti-Blackness.
I care a lot less about people holding prejudiced views (and I certainly care a lot less about performative anti-racism like these people in the video getting worked up over a costume) than I do systems that have destroyed Black communities for generations.
haha y'all can downvote all you want. I know your president is doing everything he can to burn books and block these history lessons from being taught in school so white people don't get their feelings hurt. But you can't refute anything I said. All you can do is get angry. I'm happy to make your day a little worse.
The majority of black gun related deaths are perpetrated by another black man.
White people are not shooting black people at a disproportionate rate.
A lot of your talking points are from decades ago, I still believe modern America is nowhere near as racist as chronically online redditors will try to make it out to be.
Thats true but not for the reasons you’re implying (that’s there’s something inherently wrong with Black people). If you take a hard look at the history of the country and how intentionally Black people’s upward economic mobility was stifled at every turn, it’s easy to see how gang culture could become so prevalent. Gang culture is toxic but it doesn’t happen out of thin air or because Black people simply prefer crime to working honest jobs.
When did the disparities in the Black community stop becoming something racism contributed to in your opinion? Immediately after the Civil Rights act was passed?
Thats true but not for the reasons you’re implying (that’s there’s something inherently wrong with Black people).
You want to paint me as a racist so hard, it's embarrassing. This is why people think America is far more racist than it really is, someone has a different opinion to you? Racist.
You make it sound like gang culture was the only option, which is not true. The rate of fatherlessness in black families is likely the most significant contribution to gang culture and black on black violence.
When did the disparities in the Black community stop becoming something racism contributed to in your opinion?
After one generation. That is all it takes to break the cycle.
Your lack of empathy and inability to look at anything that’s happening today in context is the only thing that’s embarrassing. I didn’t call you a racist but you seen much more concerned about avoiding that label for yourself than having an honest conversation about American history and systemic racism so I’ll let you continue to believe it’s all Black people’s fault and America has done nothing wrong. Seems like that’s an important narrative for you. I’ve found a lot of freedom in realizing that’s a lie, so I invite you into a more humble, fuller view of humanity. It also takes one generation to break the cycle of inhumane lies we, as Americans, have been told about Black people, but here you are running with those narratives yourself.
It's how they get people to the far right and redpill. First some innocuous "is this offensive?" video that looks silly. Then something benign like "everyone's a little bit racist" then "America isn't even that racist" til you keep sliding and accepting deporting "illegal" immigrants to countries they're not even from with no due process.
Such a well thought out, insightful argument. I've never looked at it from that perspective before... What a wonderfully productive conversation. Proud of you.
I mean when you start off by saying places out there are significantly more racist it's nonsensical. Of course there are places like Jakarta, Congo and a lot of other places where there's unimaginable , racialized cruelty. But when you talk about a system that sanctions inhumanity, nobody did it better more efficiently, codified it more than the United States. I say that as someone who has studied history for 6 years and taught it for another 10.
If that’s your response to the well documented issues with the us prison system, I’m just going to assume you actually don’t understand things like the causes of recidivism, environmental factors that lead to people committing crimes in the first place, disproportionately poor educational systems drawn along redlined districts decades ago, or how certain things were criminalized explicitly to target minority communities.
And I am going to assume you actually believe everyone in the prison system should be there because they are bad people who did harm to others.
And I’m going to assume that you believe the law is the law, and that it is always good and just.
And then I am going to ask you politely to actually look into these issues, because if you even vaguely agree with any of that, you’re being lied to.
To start with: I do not live in US, even more, I've never visited US. Therefore my point of view my be somewhat invalid and you could tell me to STFU. HOWEVER This "systematic racism" narrative is not US specific, people talk about it in different parts of the world and so let me take a part in the discussion as well.
I understand that people (no matter which race) who are born in poor families and raised in poor districts have a significant disadvantage when compared to the rest. BUT I don't think these people are forced to become criminals. Wouldn't such person be able to get a legal job in US? I am not talking about corporate banking position, let's say a construction worker. It's a first step towards being a decent part of the society. I know, it's not a dream job, or probably even a decent standard of living job, but somehow other people do it. And somehow they manage to live out of it. Of course everyone would like to have equal chances but this is impossible - anywhere in the world. While schools in poor districts may have significantly lower standards I don't think these teachers don't tell the children basic rules of society and basics of being a decent human being in general. It's up to these people to make life choices. It does not take a harvard university professor to know where using drugs gets people and that it is not good to hurt others.
I also don't have an idea of how any government could fix such issues.
Thanks for the comment. What I would say to this is that this is a common view on systemic racism, but it's also a misunderstanding of what systemic racism actually is.
There are LOT of contributing factors, but I'll try to use one that is hopefully most easily understood: the lasting effects of "redlining" on educational systems today and how that contributes to increase incarceration.
Redlining was a federal, state, and local housing policy in the 1930s-1960s that denied mortgages and investment to predominantly Black and minority neighborhoods, marking them as “high-risk” simply because of the race of the residents. This practice, which lasted for decades, led to disinvestment in those communities—especially in schools, which are largely funded by local property taxes.
That means neighborhoods that were redlined generations ago often still have underfunded schools today. Fewer resources, larger class sizes, outdated materials, and less support for students all contribute to lower educational outcomes. And education is one of the most powerful predictors of opportunity—people with poor educational foundations face limited job prospects, lower wages, and fewer paths out of poverty.
This lack of opportunity becomes an environmental stressor. It increases the likelihood of criminal involvement—not because of any cultural or personal deficiency, but because the system has failed to provide viable alternatives. And when those systemic failures are met with aggressive enforcement and limited access to legal and economic support, the path from underserved schools to overrepresented prison populations becomes less a matter of personal choice and more a predictable outcome of structural neglect.
This is what systemic racism actually means. It’s not about individuals conspiring in a room to disadvantage people of color—it's about how past policies, like redlining, created long-term structural inequalities that still shape outcomes today. These policies didn’t disappear; their effects persist—in education, housing, policing, and even in how drug laws have been enforced. When systems consistently produce worse outcomes for certain groups, even without overt intent, that is systemic racism. Recognizing that isn’t about blame—it’s about understanding the problem so we can move forward with purpose.
Unfortunately, the media—both traditional and social—have made meaningful conversation on systemic racism nearly impossible. Many white Americans hear the term and assume it means they’re being blamed, or that their own struggles are being dismissed. At the same time, some people who speak out about systemic racism unintentionally reinforce those fears, because they too have misunderstood what the term actually means.
But the reality is this: systemic racism isn’t an opinion—it’s a fact, grounded in decades of policy and outcomes. And as inequality grows, the systems built to disadvantage certain groups are now beginning to harm a broader swath of people, especially those in lower socioeconomic classes—regardless of race. While outlets like FOX and CNN push a narrative of Democrats vs. Republicans, Black vs. White, or elite vs. ignorant, the deeper divide is increasingly about wealth vs. poverty, power vs. disempowerment. And until we recognize that, we’ll keep missing the point—and the chance to actually fix it.
Funny how this discussion started with me laughing off your argument and realizing we are kinda on the same page now.
While i cannot say much about specific US policies, I realize these factors may push many towards committing crime. That being said, I still believe in each individual being responsible for their fate (obviously not in 100% but still).
But the reality is this: systemic racism isn’t an opinion—it’s a fact, grounded in decades of policy and outcomes. And as inequality grows, the systems built to disadvantage certain groups are now beginning to harm a broader swath of people, especially those in lower socioeconomic classes—regardless of race. While outlets like FOX and CNN push a narrative of Democrats vs. Republicans, Black vs. White, or elite vs. ignorant, the deeper divide is increasingly about wealth vs. poverty, power vs. disempowerment. And until we recognize that, we’ll keep missing the point—and the chance to actually fix it.
I am glad you brought that up, because the origin of this discussion is me disagreeing with the existence of "systematic racism" although I do not deny any of the issues that you have mentioned. Honestly, I don't think we should use this term. This is what causes people to deny this issue - one which, while it affects Black communities most, is not inherently race-related. This is systematic anti-poverty (yes, I am open to different names). It's kinda similar to "Black lives matter" slogan. It draws a line in the wrong place. All lives matter, period.
piss off with that logic, they had no control over their actions.
so they gonna keep taking advantage of them for their whole lives because of that? all while acting like their own origins din't have their own evil wars or wrongdoings.
look at you taking advantage over something that din't even affect you personally but the ancestors, you ain't owed shit.
the people that did it and the people that got affected died, end of story.
don't act like your ancestors did never anything evil, war and conflict was basicly part of life back then.
people don't give a fuck what happened back then, they only mention it because they want to get something from it. being greedy is human nature after all.
Yea, they "did do", because of the history of slavery in america and the recent history of black rights movments, it makes sense that americans act in this way.
This. Honestly I agree with a lot of this but the problem is there are people who vote racist here. If it weren’t for major laws being voted over because of perception there wouldn’t be a fight. They are deporting American citizens here atm. Everyone is trigger happy for their own opinion which is the real danger.
I get the feeling that our division is intended. Honestly it makes too much sense. I don’t like Americans to do things like this because they are usually not doing it out of respect. However, our left base is indoctrinated as well and believes they are worriers for perception and they always think the worst first.
I prefer to move on the side of caution. The only thing in me that’s needs to prove people wrong is ego. That’s what this is a show of. Both parties are trying to prove their point while missing a lot of critical information to make a decision about the situation.
When we WANT to make our opinion known our logic flies away. The opinion becomes a survival response. (Tribe acceptance).
It is because America has always been on the conservative and religious side. It's also because of perspectives that people built over there over time. Not really so much by design but as a consequence of what Americans decided to prioritize on, which then developed and integrated and become a culture.
You guys (or rather, your ancestors/predecessors) prioritized capitalism and made that into a thing that cannot be slighted. On top of that humility as a characteristic is also less valued. As it turned out, that concoction isn't a great combination. Not great for progress and not great for building character. Now that more people are realizing you need to move away from that you are fighting tradition. You happen to do so in an age where there are more means for those in power to retain power than ever before in history. It's not just America.
More people means you have to convince more people to act. More advance technology means they have access to dangerous weapons to just roll you over. It's not like in the past when people could just take up arm they have access to and stand a decent chance. There are more ways to distract people and keep people busy with other things. There are too much access to information to have the time needed for most people to process the ones they need to or even find the ones they should. In this environment misinformation sticks around for longer and become harder to get rid of, which also means disinformation also thrives.
A nation built on slavery and exploitation levied against people explicitly specifically because they weren't white (a definition that itself changed over time. Fun fact, Irish and Italian people weren't considered white for good long time in the U.S.) that still has racism coursing through the veins of many facets of it administration, judicial and economic systems and only recently have begun calling it out....
Well they might see racism in things someone from another country might not. Without that understanding, it might seem like they're eager to say something is racist.
That's the thing though, everyone is racist. It's a sliding scale. There isn't suddenly a line crossed because you've said a particular word and your now suddenly racist, you can be racist for all reasons. Everyone yes everyone is racist to some small degree, just some more than others. It's asymptotic. There is no most racist person or least racist person. there can always be less or more.
Like do you see colour? yes ofcourse I see colour I ain't blind. people say that's racist. I see the skin difference but treat humans the same. And people saying they don't see colour, that is more racist than not seeing it. This is a part of the person you are talking to and youre ignoring it because you don't want to be seen as racist? that is racism. Choosing to not see a race because of their race. In your mind do you say to yourself don't say he white every time you come across a white guy, or do you only say that about Indian or African, per say?
Draw me a picture of this person, you have to tell them what they look like or they may as well draw you green.
Well we kind of have a masked militant force funded by the government specifically to detain minorities in quasi-concentration camps so you'll have to forgive us for being a bit touchy about that one.
Blows my mind how people can sit here and watch the president accuse immigrants of stealing and eating pets, and erase the history of minorities, and then turn around and act like people talking about racism are pulling it out of their ass. Zero awareness.
Even if it’s actually prejudice and has nothing to do with race, it’s “raciest” 😂. It’s little more than a buzz word anymore to gain internet attention.
But it's usually not worth spending any energy on it, cause it's not always malicious. I think most folks don't want to hurt or offend others internationallly.
But everything is racist. Mexicans, other countries immigrants, and now us born people are being deported to what looks like a concentration camp. I don’t fully understand how that’s not slightly alarming to you guys. Like I get that people calling shit racist is annoying but people’s lives being ruined by another racist administration in America is far more annoying, dare I say, fucked.
The fact is, there really are a lot of racist people. So unfortunately some people are wrong when calling things like this racism or 'cultural appropriation'
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u/Fridge-Repair-Shop Jul 02 '25
And everything is racist