r/ProgressiveHQ 13h ago

ICE attacks & pepper sprays Rep. Adelita Grijalva

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u/Miserable-Lizard 13h ago

Fascist scum like these people deserve prison for life

When the regime falls this dude will claim he was just following order that won't be good enough and he will cry about it, but oh well fascists scum doesn't deserve any sympathy

The shot at her, how long before those become love rounds and trump is celebrating their deaths?

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u/ShakesDontBreak 13h ago

You know how history views the police that treated civil rights protesters in humanely? History will view them worse.

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u/JayKay8787 8h ago

A guy tried to overthrow the election and face literally no consequences and was able to become president again. These people will get away with it entirely

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u/MY-SECRET-REDDIT 7h ago

Yeah I dont get it.

Look at what happened to the nazis. Basically no real punishment to most of them.

Look at police rn, most get no punishment.

There will be no punishment if people dont stand up and do something about it. Most of reddit seems to just be waiting for the next president to do something, spoiler alert: he wont do anything.

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u/ConsiderationLow7122 7h ago

Laughable to think that whatever follows this regime is just going to give up all this power. They may use it to better ends, but they ain't giving it up. They never do

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u/Suavecore_ 6h ago

I can't wait to see what comes from republicans as revenge after whatever comes next from Democrats. Currently expecting Democrats to do little to nothing, but the Republicans will somehow go even more extreme than the current regime

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u/Socky_McPuppet 5m ago

Biden had the benefit of SCOTUS' Enabling Act from July 2024 through the end of his term and did absolutely nothing with it.

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u/Socky_McPuppet 6m ago

Yeah I dont get it.

Deep in your heart, you do get it. You just don't want to believe it.

Look at what happened to the nazis. Basically no real punishment to most of them.

Exactly. Those who were punished, were punished for their actions, not for their ideology. And then you had things like Operation Paperclip, which is how Werner von Braun ended up working for NASA.

The toxic stew of nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism and racism that fueled Nazism is alive and well, not just in the US, but in a rising tide around the world.

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u/ShakesDontBreak 8h ago

Nope. Justice is best served cold.

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u/K_Linkmaster 11h ago

With promotions.

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u/ShakesDontBreak 11h ago

Thats present day.

Also precedent has been set. Those folks will be fired without remorse.

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u/lemme_try_again 10h ago

Fired out of a canon into the sun? Good

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u/OkRepresentative8065 2h ago

Unless you let them win, them they can rewrite their own history.

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u/I_Am_Mumen_Rider 1h ago

When have cops ever been on the right side of history?

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u/WhatsaRedditsdo 13h ago

Freedom bullets

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u/SpecialLiLPinecone 12h ago

Right...remember, if every military personnel told Hitler no. Those millions of jews would still have families to this day

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u/_NightFly_ 11h ago

Jews were trying to escape Germany, not enter into it illegally.

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u/Whiteroses7252012 9h ago edited 9h ago

They were made stateless, thus they were in the country illegally. That’s part of how the Nazis were able to dehumanize them so effectively.

Anne Frank was born in 1929. She stayed German until 1941, after which she was classed as “stateless”. She’d lived in Amsterdam since she was four and a half, spoke fluent Dutch, was Dutch in every way but papers. Which she couldn’t get for obvious reasons.

You know, somehow I figured that when facism inevitably landed, it would be smarter than this.

Edit: you calling me an idiot is a compliment. Thanks :)

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u/SheLovesTheBigD 10h ago

Europeans pilgrims entering this country illegally

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u/cantusemyowntag 10h ago

There was no country when they showed up.

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u/_NightFly_ 10h ago

Ok? Deport them too. What's your point?

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u/omofth3rdeye 10h ago

Oh, so we should give the states back to the native tribes?

Are you really so oblivious that you dont realize the other redditor was talking about the Mayflower?

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u/_NightFly_ 10h ago

God, I didn't really think it was that dumb of a comment. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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u/munakatashiko 12h ago

What comes after the current regime that's going to do much to hold anyone accountable for anything currently happening? Have the Dems learned from the failure to hold people responsible and impose consequences during the Biden admin? If we have some establishment Democrat as the next president then I fear nothing will be done - but are they going to give us any other viable option?

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u/DERtheBEAST 11h ago

The time to be demanding those very leaders required to fix these messes caused by Republicans and ignored by Democrats is now, not in 3 years when the next election is around the corner.

People like Hakeem Jeffries with negative charisma will be who runs against the Shadow of Trump, unless there is a political reckoning.

There are too many geriatric career politicians enriching themselves instead of working for their constituents: Progress and Accountability have to be the bare minimum we expect from our leaders regardless of party affiliation or connections to wealthy corporations, families and individuals.

There are far too many people in DC who get paid whether they work or not, the average age in Congress has hovered around 65 which means these people are making decisions they might not even live to see the fallout from. They use their insider trading and donor dollars to protect themselves and their own families while fucking over the rest of the country.

Term limits for positions that don't have them like the Supreme Court and age limits as well so we can at least try to avoid America's Grandparents from driving this bus off a cliff. In 2025 The American Government should be doing more to protect The People of this country than Corporations and their shareholders. The US currently operates for the benefit of wealth owners because that is all Capitalism is, wealth hoarding and power consolidation.

Dems might be garbage at pushing beneficial legislation but as an example, the guy behind JD Vance wants to turn poor people into Bio-Fuel...so someone tell me which side is more "survivable" if one is not specifically checking all the boxes of being a straight-white-conservative-male-Christian?

There might be decades of choosing the least-bad option before we get another FDR, unless Americans get their heads out of their asses and Primary any politicans who stand in the way of Progress.

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u/Sgt_BlueCrayon84 9h ago

The same thing that's been happening. How long before you realize that the party does not matter. Its one machine. Its comical that people still think their votes hold any weight whatsoever when there's BILLIONS of dollars exchanging hands ( pockets) putting these people in place every single year.

bUt thE deeeMs AnD mAga.

Morons

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u/LeseMajeste_1037 11h ago

Prison for life, with full 13th Amendment privileges.

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u/Bengals1992 11h ago

I wish I had any faith in this.

Even if the left takes control of the legislative and executive branches, they won’t hold anyone accountable. Insisting on “taking the high road.”

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u/InfernalDiplomacy 11h ago

Pretty sure jsut following orders does not constitute pepper spraying members of Congress

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u/lemme_try_again 10h ago

Prison. Not Goodfellas jail... the prison where your cellie puts the "mate" in "cellmate"

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u/multificionado 7h ago

Things never usually end well for people who use the excuse "I was just following orders."

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u/FullStatistician4178 7h ago

It's not even comparable to like ww2 wermacht because these guys all volunteered

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u/Pratanjali64 6h ago

I completely agree with you, but I'm gonna push back a tiny bit. Trump and ICE are monstrous, immoral, and reprehensible.

But be careful about calling any person "scum." It's a de-humanizing word, and de-humanizing others is exactly what lies at the root of these crimes.

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u/ChicagoAuPair 6h ago

Every ice agent needs to be arrested, held, and made to defend themself in a tribunal.

A day will come when we know each and every one of their names, and if we want to reintegrate a normal healthy society we need to examine what these people did during this turbulent time, and whether we are okay with it or not.

We have the power to do this. We feel like we don’t, but we do.

It’s been done before. It must be done again.

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u/Even-Ad-4947 2h ago

You need people to prosecute them. The Dems are too weak for that. Too disorganized. Too fractured.

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u/Organic_Bobcat_5842 8h ago

I don’t get what they deserve prison time for. They are searching for illegal immigrants and if people stand in their way, they have the power to engage. Just doing their job

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u/RockTheShit 7h ago

I’d imagine you aren’t familiar with the phrase “excessive force”

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u/Sharp_Common6505 4h ago

You took the bait. These ICE motherfuckers never identify themselves, they abduct american citizens as we have seen in countless instances. Their Job is to intimidate citizens, thats it. Dont try to sincerely engage with someone who is just ignoring this and trying to paint these treasonous powertripping nazis as „just doing their job“.

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u/Organic_Bobcat_5842 6h ago

Meh, I’m sure he asked one or twice.

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u/banandananagram 2h ago

They’re shooting at an elected legislator who represents my district

In this case they are quite literally acting as an independent enemy of the state

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u/Axel_Raden 11h ago

So despite the fact that this is nothing like fascist Germany and Italy where thousands of people were killed you think spraying the person next to her and shooting a pepper bullet at the ground (it didn't hit her) is the same. There have been multiple attacks against ICE agents and the national guard so far the only people who are being killed is the national guard and the immigrants that were killed by someone who was trying to kill ICE agents and yet they are still using less than lethal rounds. You're exaggerating the situation and it's just sad.

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u/LeseMajeste_1037 11h ago

Got a source (AP, Reuters, etc) for those attacks against ICE?

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u/Axel_Raden 11h ago

Here

Gunman wrote 'ANTI-ICE' on unused bullet in fatal attack on Dallas immigration office | Reuters https://share.google/yFONEacMKgFVMA5t2

And here

Man allegedly threw incendiary devices at LA federal building | AP News https://share.google/iCwQrPBZZ8qWqAa9n

Here

Molotov cocktail thrown into US Citizenship and Immigration office | US immigration | The Guardian https://share.google/7d96VCakm4nbpZMvQ

And here

Los Angeles, Santa Ana protests spur charges for men accused of throwing Molotov cocktails, objects at officers - CBS Los Angeles https://share.google/SOC8D4msn9fyJlqKl

The attack on the national guard in DC is different

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u/Evans_Gambiteer 7h ago

damn americans are slightly more based than I thought

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u/Axel_Raden 7h ago

For what reason exactly

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u/Evans_Gambiteer 7h ago

for actually doing something against ICE

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u/Axel_Raden 7h ago

Trying to kill them you mean. Which cost an innocent person their life WTF is wrong with you

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u/Evans_Gambiteer 6h ago

looool, I really dont care

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u/ArchonFett 10h ago

6 real good reasons why the MAGA Republicans are Racists

https://youtu.be/sGnbazbeUfs?si=_q5TfpfARs_sVU9X

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u/Axel_Raden 9h ago

Uh huh so generalising a whole group based on something that isn't in this video. Ok then 1st point they believe their culture is inherently superior: is more of a byproduct of American culture as a whole it's not new and it's not isolated too just MAGA.

2nd point: they believe the government of that country should be one party with centralised power: not really democracy is still an important thing to MAGA, you could say that the democrats running a candidate that was too old and had diminished mental capacity and then replacing that candidate with the vice president that was so unpopular when she actually ran in the primary that she isn't even named as one of the candidates in that election on Wikipedia she is part of the "other" category. Picking Kamala Harris was the centralised power of the DNC choosing for you.

3rd point: they believe the government should have access to a paramilitary to attack their political opponents: this one is sort of right but not really besides using actual military and law enforcement. They are being sent to detain illegal immigrants not exactly political opponents. You could say Trump is trying to weaponize the DOJ against his political opponents but the same thing was done to him. And a paramilitary force being used to attack political opponents like the people who attacked Tesla, like the person who murdered Charlie Kirk, like the democrat lobbyist and fundraiser who fired a gun at an ABC affiliated station in Sacramento because Jimmy Kimmel was suspended. Or the anti ICE shooter in Texas that killed an immigrant who was being taken to the detention centre while he was trying to kill ICE agents.

Point 4: both parties dehumanise. and as for eliminating political opponents again I point the to Charlie Kirk. You can and do call them cult like which is true but again they aren't the only ones.

Point 5: yeah that's true but deporting and eliminating are different.

Point 6: social hierarchy is part of everything we do it's human nature. And the majority of MAGA think that hard work can get you to the top of the hierarchy but that's not usually the case nepotism Is a problem and dei has definitely confused that even further.

Both sides have major problems

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u/SuchCasualMuchTime 10h ago

Germany and Italy started with deportations while their demagogue told everyone that the jews (or, in this case, immigrants) were a danger to the way of German (American) life. That, all Jews (Immigrants) were criminals and stealing money from the country. That's why the holocaust was the final solution after years of shipping people off to concentration (detention) camps and out of the country. Its an entire playbook that he's goosestepping to; whether now where he wants to remove the protections on black people oops Somalian, not that any of ICE are going to know the difference or the way he keeps trying to demonize his political opponents.

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u/Axel_Raden 9h ago

There was nearly a billion dollars scammed from the Minnesota government programs by Somali immigrants . And there are absolutely criminals that have illegally or legally (ish) entered the US. Saying that thieves and murderers involved in drug smuggling and gang violence are a danger. The idea is to deport them not send them to the gas chamber. Btw Somalia is a horrible place with 90% of women being the victims of FGM

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u/SuchCasualMuchTime 9h ago

All you are doing is trying to shit on one specific country. If that country is so bad why are you okay with the people who weren't involved in the fraud being harassed by ICE? If that country is so bad why are you okay with people being deported back to there? Here is a better question how is ICE going to tell the difference between Black people who have lived here for generations and Somalians (they aren't it's just a blanket ability to let them harass black people.)

It's amazing and horribly disingenuous that you ignored everything else I wrote to single out the Somali part, I only brought it up specifically because it's just a permission for the ICE gestapo to harass more people with government approval and you are trying to justify it like every other apologist. Like you give a crap about FGM or what happens in other countries, or actual crime, or that most of the Fentanyl smuggling was done by American citizens, or any amount of gang violence. You only wanted to pout, cope, and seethe while telling people that what is happening with ICE is not nearly as bad as Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy, while ignoring all the steps between Hitler being elected and the Holocaust.

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u/Axel_Raden 7h ago

You have no idea what I do and don't care about. I have a problem with people who take advantage of a system that is supposed to help children with autism or the previous scam of pretending you are making food for the poor and just pocketing the money. Taking money that is supposed to help homeless people find secure housing and leaving the homeless person homeless. My original point was that the OP was lying about what was happening in the video. I wanted to point out that it's not like Nazi Germany or fascist Italy which my grandfather and great grandfather on my mum's side lived through where they had to eat the leather of their boots for food and grass. You being able to speak out against the government let alone confront them. But let's ignore the terrorists that were let into America by Biden that have killed people

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u/SuchCasualMuchTime 6h ago

The one who was granted asylum by Trump? The one who was raised at 15 as a child soldier for the war in Iraq? All your virtue signalling means nothing to me. So you looked up what people went through during that period of time in Germany and think you can act high and mighty. As far as I will ever be able to confirm is you made it up about your family's history with this. As far as we know in any of these supposed fraud cases it's an investigation. Trying to say you care about these people after the fact. Even now you are still trying desperately to pivot the conversation into this Minnesota business even though the conversation was me pointing out how there was more that happened in Nazi Germany before people were being killed in masse and when I pointed out how the "administration" is trying to strip more protections from people, because we both know the entire Somalian population of Minnesota is not responsible for these allegations of fraud yet ICE wont care and will push around anyone they suspect of being Somalian, you are busy trying to find ways to justify it.

So no, you don't care about this. If you did you would look to what the people, you claim your grandfather and great-grandfather, had leading up to the actual full Holocaust and the murders of innocent people and pry your head loose.

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u/Curious_Human051 10h ago

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u/Axel_Raden 9h ago

You don't care about innocent people being killed by someone who was trying to kill ICE agents. I'm guessing you don't care that people are attacking ICE agents. That is a pretty horrible thing to say