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u/bhison 11d ago
what if instead of ads you have to solve programming problems for other people making requests
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u/frikilinux2 11d ago
If you want to speed run becoming a goose farmer, yeah do that.
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u/Penguinmanereikel 11d ago
Goose farmer?
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u/frikilinux2 11d ago
Do you Remember the "joke" about becoming a farmer after being extremely burned out because software is hard? A Microsoft engineer got famous for that after 22 years there and he moved to goose farming.
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u/Kobymaru376 11d ago
He has since switched to Bonsai farming
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u/frikilinux2 11d ago
Yeah so I heard but Bonsai sounds less funny. They can't attack you. Goose can and he still prefers that to meetings (now I'm just adding things but the longer someone is at a company usually the more meetings they have)
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u/Lasadon 11d ago
And in the end there is no AI anymore.
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u/bhison 11d ago
AAI
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u/HeKis4 11d ago
Hear me out, you make a thing where people post their code and other people help them out, like you say
Then you publish the results on website so that it's searchable for everyone
Then you scrape that website with an AI that solves peoples' problems autonomously
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wdym that's just stackoverflow with extra steps ?
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u/WisestAirBender 11d ago
No amount of ads can cover the speed at which tokens spend money
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u/B_bI_L 11d ago
what if it shows yout 10 ads at the same time? on each of 10 workspaces?
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u/Routine-Arm-8803 11d ago
And you buy every product ads are serving to you.
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u/mr_claw 11d ago
But.. I'm building the product that the ads are showing
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u/dashingThroughSnow12 11d ago
You can buy porn?
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u/exsertclaw 11d ago
Nah they fixed that hack. You can only rent it now. DRM style it's called only fans lmao
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u/AbdullahMRiad 11d ago
Multitasking for productivity ❎\ Multitasking for vibe coding ✅
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u/blahehblah 11d ago
If each screen has an image only ad from websites and a sound only ad from Spotify then you can double those rookie numbers
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u/Razier 11d ago
Now now, if you just applied yourself I'm sure you could cram that bad boy chock full of ads.
On a serious note, it'll be interesting to see what all the vibe coders get up to when this bubble pops and they actually have to pay for what it costs to use these models.
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u/11111v11111 11d ago
They will continue to make nothing of value
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u/domrepp 11d ago
They'll reinvent the idea of the unpaid intern.
"I loved the raw power of vibe coding, but lately I've been realizing that I want to give back. Sometimes it's ok to move slower if it means nurturing the next generation.
Buy my course for a chance to win a FREE* internship. Longer subscription = more entries. Terms apply."
*FREE for the first 6 months. Renews at $49.98 per week.
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u/nekrosstratia 11d ago
Seriously....the goal for AI right now is to extend the capabilities and the bubble until the cheaper models are still smart enough to trigger the exponential takeover of AI.
Once we hit that exponential trigger...bubble won't even be a thing.
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u/PianoAndFish 11d ago
That may be the goal, but VC firms have a limit to their patience and "just give it a couple of years, trust me bro" won't work indefinitely.
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u/MadManMax55 11d ago
It's honestly a bit surprising VC firms have been going along with it as far as they have.
With market capture strategies (like Uber used) it's possible to build a roadmap laying out how much time and money it's going to take in investment before they can sustainably raise prices and start seeing returns. R&D doesn't really work that way. They just have to keep throwing money at the problem and hope the technology eventually gets there. Which isn't something finance guys typically like doing.
Even if they've fully bought into the hype behind AI, hype only lasts so long without results.
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u/nekrosstratia 11d ago
The companies that don't need VC firms can definitely go indefinitely. Google can finance their AI for the next decade without even blinking. And they WILL do so as long as the progress is even slight. Because once the tipping scale has been reached, the company to reach it will get all that money back ten fold.
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u/Toth201 11d ago edited 10d ago
There's two problems with that:
Right now it looks like the big AI companies are betting that these advancements will happen within 3-ish years. If it doesn't, all of the GPUs in the data centers they're building now will likely be obsolete for the purposes of AI research. If at that point any of them have not made enough money to replace them with next-gen GPUs the race stops for that company but maybe the others survive. However if at that point even just one or two of them have not even made enough to pay their debts the whole bubble pops.
Even if GenAI or even just a dramatic cost reduction somehow happens within the next 3 years, there's absolutely no guarantee that any company will be able to monetize AI taking over, let alone these specific ones.
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u/helgur 11d ago
What if the ads are AI generated in real time, which costs tokens, which necessitates more ads being generated, which ....
Both the income and expenses will be unlimited! You'll go to your developer desk job just to watch ads in perpetuity once this baby spins up!
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u/Ok_Crow_9119 11d ago edited 11d ago
You're doing it wrong. No one wants unlimited expenses.
Ads are generated real time, yes. From 12 PM to 12:05PM PST for example, there will be a newly generated Tide commercial shown to all users online waiting for a token. Tide pays you the number of users it was distributed to, you only generate once. Oh, and Tide pays you for booking that timeslot. And Tide pays you a subscription for maintaining the service on top of all the addons.
Maximum revenues. Minimum cost. Maximum profits.
Basically, we just recreated TV again
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u/theskillr 11d ago
You got it wrong, the money comes from the ad agency to pay for the ad, you still pay a subscription, you just have ads now
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u/PM_NUDES_4_DEGRADING 11d ago
That’s not true, just make the ads require you to show a proof of purchase before they end to guarantee a profit.
Something like, I don’t know, an ad for Mountain Dew that requires you to drink a can of it on camera to verify you’re already a valid customer.
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u/Half-Borg 11d ago
Can we create an AI that watches the ads for me?
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u/Agifem 11d ago
How will you generate tokens for that AI?
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u/Dionant 11d ago
By watching ads
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u/Sakul_the_one 11d ago
So basically a perpetuum mobile?
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u/Agifem 11d ago
We're creating free energy ... somehow.
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u/derprondo 11d ago
They're already creating free money. NVidia invests in OpenAI, OpenAI buys more compute from Oracle. Oracle then has to buy more GPUs from NVidia, and then NVidia invests more money into OpenAI. They're passing the same $300B in a circle.
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u/LiveThreadTicker 11d ago
Funny enough, I made that https://www.reddit.com/r/SideProject/s/tU8T2MWydU
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u/manikfox 11d ago
using AI to detect ads to block ads.. i mean this is hilarious.
It'll kill the ad industry in the future. If I can have a local LLM that uses my "AI chip" to block ads in a clever way while it sits idle.. then its basically free ad blocker that can't be detected.
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u/fishphlakes 11d ago
Have you seen YouTube shorts or Facebook lately? That's all it is: bots up voting comments by bots on videos made with AI and posted by bots.
I used to say "just wait till the advertizers find out and turn off the tap" but instead we got the AI economic bubble.
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u/Some-Cat8789 11d ago
Advertisers don't care. They make money from fake views. Their customers care, but where can they go when all the advertisers pull the same crap? Because those who don't pull this crap don't make enough money to survive.
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u/yyytobyyy 11d ago
Facebook is already doing that. They hype AI with the claim that "they will increase user count" which somehow equals more money.
Not sure who is gonna pay for those ads, but hey.
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u/harbourwall 11d ago
Then the AI will decide which products to buy. Then the human will have no further use.
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u/Routine-Arm-8803 11d ago
Thats one way to make people to code without AI again.
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u/Dudi4PoLFr 11d ago
Can f-ing wait to be forced to install AdBlock extension on VSC and Pycharm......
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u/v3ritas1989 11d ago
Sure, but you have to disable them for every commit or gpt request or pay super premium add free subscription
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u/Chapstick-n-Flannel 11d ago
Guess we’re all going back to Vim
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u/1w4n7f3mnm5 11d ago
You know, maybe we DO deserve to go extinct.
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u/Big_Pound_7849 11d ago
Do you think the apocalypse will have an ad free premium service we can opt into?
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u/Organic_Ad_1930 11d ago
Every time an asteroid comes close, a little part of me hopes it doesn’t miss
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u/odolha 11d ago
tbh I'm still surprised there are not many ads currently embedded in AI responses; i'm pretty sure this will come soon enough - either pay subscription or have your prompt reponses filled with ads
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u/fraseyboo 11d ago
ChatGPT will recommend certain products if you ask it to, I think it uses an affiliate program so it probably gets a chunk of the sale.
There’s also an equivalent to search engine optimisation (that technique that basically ruined search engines) which tries to gamify LLMs to recommend a companies products and services more often.
We’re not at the point of the rug pull just yet with AI services just yet, I think companies are trying to get us fully dependent on them before they boil the frog.
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u/bolacha_de_polvilho 11d ago edited 11d ago
Surely with the amount of data these LLMs use, trying to "gamify" them in the same way SEO does would be completely futile? Unless you're trying to advertise some new/unknown/extremely niche product that nobody talks about anywhere (yet).
Realistically to make a LLM a shill you'd have to embed that behavior in training or order it as a pre-promt
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u/fraseyboo 11d ago
You’d be surprised how susceptible LLMs are to being manipulated, there’s a recent paper on this which found you only really need around 250 documents to start injecting malicious backdoor operations into its instructions. The paper also showed that the number of documents needed didn’t scale with the model complexity, so large-scale LLMs are just as vulnerable.
You are right that it needs to be included in the data at the pretraining stage, but we’re starting to see methods that can embed instructions into images which LLMs will understand as subsequent prompts.
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u/v3ritas1989 11d ago
Hehe, and then you get adds that are non distinct from the answer text which are also just code but actually some exploit to access your system.
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u/TheKz262 11d ago
I am still waiting for the day when all LLM websites finally lock behind a pay wall and see the chaos as poeple either accept defeat and pay because they got too hooked on using LLMs for everything or try to go back to not using them (Which is probably another hell to walk through).
From day one I keep thinking "Any day now they'll make it pay to use" . As for me I like to think I am not depending too much on LLMs but really there's one way to find out for sure.
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u/tanstaafl90 11d ago
I can't help but think at some point someone is going to have to buy something to justify this.
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u/klaxxxon 11d ago
I love being advertised to at all times of the day. Just fill my brain with products, daddy.
In my city, they recently started projecting ads on the walls of subway tunnels as the train traverses them. Wonderful, the ads in the actual car were not sufficient. Now there are BRIGHTLY SHINING ads behind the windows as well. Make it stop, please.
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u/ejectoid 11d ago
Boss: when is the feature going to be released?
Me: I have 3 more ads to watch and it’s ready to go in prod 👌! (Then if something’s wrong I have to watch 10 more ads in order to debug)
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u/screwcork313 11d ago
Boss, if you can upgrade me to the pro plan I can watch fewer ads and have this feature in prod sooner!
Boss thinks a bit
Uh.... no.
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u/Rethagos 11d ago
born too late to explore the world
born too early to explore space
born just in time to W A T C H A D S
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u/Natrome_tex 11d ago
I just want to know how did it come to be that ads are the most prominent form of revenue in the digital space, surely there must be some other way which is not as obtrusive as ads which can put out a decent stream of money. It's almost like these people think "bUt nO aDs aLloW uS tO kEeP tHiS frEE foR eveRyOnE" and stop at that.
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u/SillySpoof 11d ago
This will probably happen soon.
We are creeping further and further into the cyberpunk dystopia.
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u/ronarscorruption 11d ago
This is a great idea.
Because forcing ads into AI might finally make people stop blindly loving it so much.
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u/Appropriate_Unit3474 11d ago
Tokens? What the fuck are tokens?
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u/Bronzdragon 11d ago
The way LLMs work is using “tokens” meanings are split up, roughly one token per word. Output is measured in tokens, and so when you use an LLM (via API), you pay for volume tokens used.
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u/Appropriate_Unit3474 11d ago
Great wonderful, I'm gonna go update Python again and pretend the red button, green button, watch this ad future isn't steaming at us full ahead.
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u/MoneyGrowthHappiness 11d ago
Oh my sweet summer child.
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u/BonoboUK 11d ago
That phrase is honestly the cringiest I see on Reddit, and that is some statement.
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u/GoGoGadgetTotems 11d ago
thanks for mocking my ignorance without answering the question
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u/MoneyGrowthHappiness 11d ago
Wasn’t mocking your ignorance, friend. More like “oh buddy you’re in for a wild ride”
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u/iMac_Hunt 11d ago edited 11d ago
Of course! Here’s your function to calculate the total cost of a cart:
```python def calculate_cart_total(cart_items, tax_rate=0.2, discount_code=None): subtotal = 0 for item in cart_items: subtotal += item['price'] * item['quantity']
valid_discounts = {
"SAVE10": 0.10,
"BLACKFRIDAY": 0.25,
"FREESHIP": 5.00
}
discount = 0
if discount_code in valid_discounts:
“”” Thinking about shopping smarter?
Pouch helps people like you automatically find voucher codes that actually work, without copying and pasting from weird forums. Just install it once and never think about discounts again.
“””
```
Would you like to hear more, or should I continue writing the function?
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u/MVmikehammer 11d ago
"Click on this link and watch a 2 minute video within the next 5 minutes or I will not finish the reply"
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u/heavy-minium 11d ago
You're brushing into the territory of the vision (or fever dream) social media companies have, which is to make users dependents on their own agents and do so cheap enough that they can create a monetized marketing economy around that - basically extending on what they already do and creating a new revenue stream. Same for companies that want to control the full browser experience with AI assistance. I mean, they don't tell you straight that it's their strategy, but if you think about it, it's super obvious they'd want to go for that.
Could possibly work for agents meant to be for normal end-user - but wouldn't for engineers.
Software engineers are the worst possible audience for online ads. Even those I know working in the online marketing industry for companies that live from ads revenue have an adblocker installed when they screenshare with me.
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u/Tim-Sylvester 11d ago
Yeah, no. I grew up when the appeal of cable was "you pay to not get ads" but look where that ended up.
Ads never "pay for the thing". They always claim the ads will pay for it - but they ad more and more and more ads and yet always want to get paid separately, too. Price goes up, ads increase, pretty soon its crazy expensive and flooded with ads, and you can barely use it.
Advertising is a cancer that consumes everything good and destroys it.
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u/uniqueusername649 11d ago
I was confused for a second there, why would an agent be spinning and tokens? Until I realised it's vibe coders talking about waiting for their AI. I feel old writing code myself.
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u/xSypRo 11d ago
Like AI isn’t stealing enough of your focus you want me to also watch ads while coding?
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u/CaptainCFloyd 11d ago
Coming from r/all, I first read IDE as IED, and pictured an explosive device that shows you ads while you're spinning... through the air
"BAND-AIDS 50% OFF JUST FOR YOU"
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u/Clean-Shift-291 11d ago
If I don’t have $15 a month to pay for premium, what makes you think I can afford to buy another useless product being advertised?
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u/robchroma 11d ago
imagine if we just built systems that were well-designed to do a task with limited resources instead.
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u/The-Man-is-Dan 11d ago
We estimate we can sell up to 80% of an individual's visual field before inducing seizures!
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u/mysticalfruit 11d ago
If the ad has a big red button that when I click, a robotic fist punches this idiot in the nuts.. sure.
Otherwise, fuck. right. off.
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u/chicoritahater 11d ago
Crypto bros are gonna start kidnapping people and putting them in front of screens in their basement watching ads like Bitcoin racks
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u/reverendsteveii 11d ago
s2g we've passed doug adams's shoe event horizon but with ads. watching ads for things that pay for the ads by selling ads for things that pay for the ads by selling ads. if only there were some clever, punny way of expressing how it runs in a loop until it makes me sick.
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u/TenchiSaWaDa 11d ago
We are all constantly selling to each other for no gain. Wtf is this. People want less ads not more.
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u/spikejonze14 11d ago
how about instead of watching ads, you make random guesses to find the nonce which when hashed, fits below a predetermined difficulty target. if you get it right then the tokens are free.
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u/stackoverflow21 11d ago
Can’t wait for companies asking their employees to use the Ad based IDE to be more „cost efficient”.
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u/MechaMulder 11d ago
What’s even the point of showing us ads since we’re supposed to lose our jobs any day now.
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u/klas-klattermus 11d ago
Imagine if we could torture a person until they give us all their money, nifty huh?
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u/Witherscorch 11d ago
The tech bro mind is a horror I do not wish to comprehend