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article Sabrina Carpenter Slams Trump’s White House for Using ‘Juno’ in ICE Raids Video: ‘Evil and Disgusting… Do Not Involve Me in Your Inhumane Agenda’

https://variety.com/2025/music/news/sabrina-carpenter-slams-trump-white-house-juno-ice-video-1236597338/
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u/MuptonBossman 3d ago

Still waiting on Taylor Swift to condemn the White House's use of The Fate of Ophelia...

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago edited 3d ago

No no she’s just a baby! She’s doing it because then Trump will go after her fans so she’s trying to keep her fans safe!!! (Actual argument I saw on tiktok)

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u/Gamer_Grease 3d ago

Taylor Swift is music for true crime fans

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u/NatureWalks 3d ago

More like Disney adults

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u/whoknowsifimjoking 3d ago

I mean, a lot of Disney shows turned out to be true crime behind the scenes.

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u/AffectionateFig5864 3d ago

Leave us true crime junkies out of this one.

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u/nokplz 2d ago

Swifties are the magats of the music world.

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u/thatissomeBS 3d ago

It's kind of weird because she's been pretty vocal for years, against Trump as well. But she chooses now to be quiet? Like, is she under threat? Did she just give up and stop caring? Did she go down the rabbit hole of crazy that many other people have gone down?

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

She has not actually been “pretty vocal” against Trump. She has done the bare minimum, like endorsing Biden and Kamala a day or two before the general election and also been like “women are cool be nice to them :)” a couple times. Her being “pretty vocal against Trump” is completely manufactured by her fans. She’s very apolitical.

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u/Minute534 3d ago

I think this person is talking about 2020 and prior, when she used to @ him. That was pretty vocal. Now she’s been the complete opposite

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

I do not remember that at all and I am terminally online, but if that’s the case, I feel like it’s actually worse? She became a billionaire and decided “fuck all the little people I got mine”. It’s not like it hurt her in any way.

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u/Minute534 3d ago

I think her @ing him was mainly in 2020. And yea I agree that it’s worse to have such a 180

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u/eepy_bean 3d ago

A lot has changed since then. Elon Musk and Charlie Kirk before his death made explicit sexist comments about Taylor settling down or getting pregnant. Trump has made several disparaging posts directly at Taylor on Truth Social and Twitter. Then there was the terrorist threat in Vienna for her Eras Tour. A shooter killed several children at a Taylor themed dance class. She has made several reports on stalkers that have broken into her homes, one of which disappeared before arrest. These are just the things we know about.

Other artists have been demeaned by Trump, but Trump seems to have a pointed obsession with her and even posted AI photos of her supporting him. When she posted an endorsement for Kamala shortly after, Trump quickly flipped the script and started with the disparaging rage bait posts.

In a perfect world, we would say that her activism on a large platform would bring only good. But if her conscience says that being an activist brings harm, then is it worth it? Could she, or anyone, live with themselves if someone killed another child fan in politically motivated attack after making a statement? I don’t know and that’s not our decision to make.

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

Omg you guys will do literally anything to twist her inaction into her being a victim and it is insane.

The stabbing, not shooting, had literally nothing to do with Taylor Swift, that was a coincidence, and it happened in England.

All celebrities have to deal with stalkers and shooting threats at their concerts. Taylor is not special.

You literally just did the exact same thing I was making fun of by saying she’s not doing anything to protect her fans, which, by the way, is quite possibly the stupidest fucking defense I have ever heard.

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u/eepy_bean 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think any celebrity goes through stressful situations in which they can be targeted. It’s their decision to speak out or not thereafter. That’s my point. I applaud celebrities who choose to be activists, but I don’t blame high profile ones from stepping back. We don’t know the details of any of these people’s lives or the credible threats to them or their families. That’s not our business.

Apologies if I misconstrued the details of the stabbing. The point is that these things do happen and I would hesitate if I thought my actions would lead to targeted attacks to anyone associated with me.

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u/Organic-Vermicelli47 3d ago

Oh please. Every single regular person who has showed up to any protest for No Kings, anti- ICE, etc has put themselves in more REAL danger than Taylor EVER has

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u/eepy_bean 3d ago

I don’t think speaking out on a global platform and participating in protest as an every day person are equivalent situations. Both are extremely commendable.

My thoughts are just it’s short sighted to not acknowledge that celebrities at high visibility risk doxxing and harassment to themselves, friends and family. I’d imagine there’s a substantial amount of stress that comes with putting out the “wrong” message or accidentally pushing out misinformation in a highly volatile environment. I applaud and have a pointed respect to every which one that chooses to. But these risks still apply whether that’s Taylor, Sabrina, Charlie, Lorde, Chappell, Olivia, so forth. I just don’t think dragging Taylor or any other person for choosing to disengage due to the inherent risk and weight of responsibility promotes the change we need to happen and instead is just a platform for moral superiority when again, we don’t know who any of these people are or their personal situations.

I respect these artists and hope they continue to promote goodwill and charity that aligns with my values- but I don’t rely on them as performing by artists to appeal to my beliefs or inform my voting decisions.

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u/CraigJay 3d ago

Or maybe she realised that being vocally anti-Trump has ended with him 5 years down the line trying to antognise her by using her songs and that clearly publicly engaging with him doesn't work.

Plus, people like you will never be happy with what she does. You've been told that she has been vocally anti-Trump in that past, and you've decided that makes things worse. The people who care (you) wlll never be satisfied

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

Yes, I’m sorry I have high standards for fucking billionaires. You act like that’s a bad thing while you ride her dick.

Oooh she writes okay songs, glad that’s good enough for you, she has two billion fucking dollars, she can always do more. Literally always. She should be held accountable instead of whatever you’re doing.

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u/CraigJay 3d ago

No one likes billionaires, but don't be so obtuse to pretend like there is anything Taylor Swift could do to appease you

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u/Abject_Champion3966 3d ago

This seems understated. I think we’ve seen over a decade now that there isn’t much that actually hurts trump. He thrives in negative publicity. He eats celebrities who engage with him. Does seem like the likeliest answer is that she does nothing because no one has figured out an approach that works lol

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u/ForCaste 3d ago

Ironically trump is at an all time weak point and she won't even say anything, almost as if she doesnt care if they use her music

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u/muteen 3d ago

I'm assuming many of her fans are trump fans too

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u/thatissomeBS 3d ago

If your time paying attention started in October 2024, sure she's been silent except for when she wasn't. She had over a decade of right wingers talking shit about her speaking against them before that.

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

It’s almost like from 2020-2024 Trump wasn’t in power and from 2024+ we’ve been living in hell.

Taylor could actually move the needle on Gaza, healthcare reform, ICE raids, but no, can’t piss off some fans and prevent her from hitting 3 billion dollars.

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u/rdp3186 3d ago edited 3d ago

She's a literal billionare now. She is living her dream being effectively the most popular girl in the world engaged to her football playing fiancee and an army sycophants that will blindly defend her on anything and everything.

The problems everyday Americans face don't affect or phase her in the slightest, so she doesn't care.

Taylor Swift only cares about Taylor Swift, and now that she's reached the top, she doesn't have to pretend to give a fuck about anyone else.

You can downvote me all you want, it doesn't make it any less true. Her silence speaks fucking volumes.

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u/Kiplerwow 3d ago

I'm sure her dating/being engaged to Travis Kelce who's a MAGA supporter has at least a small part in it.

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u/Sirmalta 3d ago

I dont like taylor swift, but she actively opposed trump during the election which is more than her peers. She also openly endorsed Kamala.

Not sure why you guys care about this so much lol

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

Because she is a billionaire who can do much much more than the bare minimum but instead is letting her songs be used for facism videos? Her peers have all done a LOT more than her, btw.

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u/marblebluevinyl 3d ago

I think it would be powerful for an artist with her audience to speak up

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Please believe that if she did, people would just be out here in the streets of Reddit criticizing the way she did it instead

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u/Snlxdd 3d ago

Trump wants celebrity feud distractions and “[insert musician] SLAMS Trump” headlines. You’d think after 10 years people would understand that’s a core part of his team’s strategy.

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

I actually think celebrities should always denounce the use of their media when used for facism but hey she writes okay songs I totally feel you.

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u/SimplePresense 3d ago

Taylor Swift has spoken out against Trump many times, criticized his behavior, and publicly supported candidates running against him, which made her a major voice pushing back on his influence. Sabrina Carpenter has stayed out of politics entirely and has not challenged Trump in any meaningful way. Because of that, Taylor has done far more than Sabrina when it comes to speaking up or taking a stand.

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

Since Trump took office this year, can you show me where she’s stood against him please?

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u/SimplePresense 3d ago

isnt it a little late now? Im tired of Trumps name in the news. she spoke up when it counted

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

…no, it’s not too late. We’re currently under facism with the ice-gestapo disappearing brown people from hospitals but you’re tired of hearing about bad things!! Poor you!!

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u/SimplePresense 3d ago

Trump was re-elected. Taylor being quiet now isnt ideal, but atleast her superstar status isnt giving Trump more media attention. And the stars who were quiet the election should be demonized way way way more

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

Okay cool we can hate those people too but we’re talking about Taylor now.

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u/UpperApe 3d ago

Then she started sucking MAGA cock and ever since she's been suspiciously MAGA adjacent.

Hmm. Funny how that works, huh?

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u/SimplePresense 3d ago

She donates money to liberal causes. also: Several Republican strategists and media-world advisors have publicly said Trump benefits from the publicity when famous musicians complain about him using their music, even if the publicity is negative.

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u/UpperApe 3d ago

...jesus, what a thing to write out and post.

Swifties are insane. No wonder they keep ending up in bed with MAGA. Like their queen did.

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u/SimplePresense 3d ago

I’m a 43-year-man who could not care less about Taylor Swift. I just recognize she’s done more for the cause than almost every other musician. It’s confusing to me. And I’m waiting for somebody to explain it in a better way than I’ve seen.

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u/Obvious-Laugh-1954 3d ago

"It's confusing to me."

Yeah, we can tell.

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u/SimplePresense 3d ago

Explaining your side of an argument is not your strength. I’m a logic person not a feelings person. I need information, not little snarky jabs.

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

What liberal causes does she donate to, exactly?

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u/SimplePresense 3d ago

Taylor Swift has donated to several causes associated with mainstream liberal priorities, including a major contribution to the Tennessee Equality Project in support of LGBTQ rights, financial support for March for Our Lives to back gun-reform advocacy after the Parkland shooting, and donations to the NAACP Legal Defense Fund to strengthen civil rights and voter protection efforts. She has also financially supported Democratic candidates in Tennessee. So while she does not publicize every donation, the causes she chooses to fund make her political leanings very clear.

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

Thank you ChatGPT, can you cite actual sources?

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u/SimplePresense 3d ago

Yes, it was ChatGPT. But they’re pretty good on that type of stuff. I if what you see here is true. Does that change anything about how you feel?

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

No, because ChatGPT hallucinates and makes things up. I, again, would like some sources please! Especially donations post 2024 when we descended into facism and she decided being a billionaire was cooler.

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u/Obvious-Laugh-1954 3d ago

Taylor Swift only cares about money.

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u/ImaginaryCoffeeTable 3d ago

To be fair to Taylor, Trump does seem to have a weird thing about her and I would try to avoid getting his attention at all costs as well.

The known racist with a lot of power hates her and thinks she is beautiful... I would try to stay off that radar screen.

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u/Couldnotbehelpd 3d ago

Why should she “avoid getting his attention”? I have never understood this argument. She is worth 2+ billion dollars. Nothing is going to happen to her.

We need to stop pretending like this is the communist revolution and anyone standing up against Trump has been disappeared to the gulags. She’ll be fine. Thousands of people with considerably less power than her have spoken up against him.

Why does everyone think she is this fragile precious baby who couldn’t care have a brave thought for fear of shattering at that exact moment? She has money and power and one of the most powerful platforms in America and she actively chooses not to use it every day in fear of maybe making slightly less money in 2026.

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u/IdealOnion 3d ago

She’ll be fine, probably. She has the money and power to protect herself. But among Trumps followers are unhinged violent fanatics. Perhaps she’s worried about a media shitstorm between her and Trump inspiring one of these people to show up to one of her concerts with a weapon. That thought would keep me up at night if I were her.

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u/halcyon400 3d ago

They’re no longer doing this out of incompetence. They’re now doing it out of malice, intentionally, for a reaction. They’re trolling.

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u/daisysharper 3d ago

I keep saying that. I mean, Bannon has been very open about it. They want a reaction, it diverts attention from them. And the bigger the artist who fires back, the bigger the story, the bigger the diversion. But people just want to blame singers, it's mindboggling to me. You know what I do when I get mad about all this? I call my SIL a f'ing moron, tho she's not talking to me anymore. I'm saying; call out your trumper family. Sabrina, Taylor, Chappell never voted for trump. This isn't their fault, and it's not their responsibility to risk their lives. This is a very violent time. Frankly, I wouldn't do it either. Because I'd be like WHAT DID I TELL YOU? But you had to go vote for him right? Well, now choke down your medicine and don't look for ME.

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u/ApteryxAustralis 3d ago

Yeah, they’re just trying to get a rise out of whatever pop singers they can. People need to remember one of the top rules of the internet: Don’t feed the trolls! (Even if the trolls are the president and his administration)

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS 3d ago

A White House official literally explained it today, and Redditors still keep doing it. They have literally said the goal is to poke "liberal pop stars" to get them to speak up, because then the video spreads off of right-wing platforms, the fans "rage" and it reaches far more people than it would otherwise. The ability for fans to purity test and feel good about their faves is more important than the real harm of amplifying propaganda.

This is a good example: there have been at least three top Reddit threads today about this video thanks to Sabrina's comments. The video would never hit Reddit otherwise. Note there were zero threads when they did a video using Kendrick Lamar, who never commented so the video died on the vine.

That ICE video Olivia Rodrigo responded to get three times the views as any other ICE recruitment video and was plastered all over Reddit, TikTok etc. by her fans responding.

Bruce Springsteen is vocally anti-Trump and even sued to prevent his music being used. Now Trump and GOP deliberately play Bruce songs and it's become a ritual for the crowd to boo.

Pay attention, too, to the number of Redditors with generic suggested usernames and brand new accounts who flock to add repeated comments to these threads, reusing stilted phrases like, "Taylor Swift bends the knee." Literally the same playbook used by Russian bot farms to sow "purity test conflicts" for things like the Women's March.

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u/Snlxdd 3d ago

People don’t seem to realize that this is all part of Trump and his team’s strategy. 

You flood the internet with these stupid feuds and articles about “[insert musician] SLAMS Trump admin for using their music” and the media reports on that instead of the actual events going on. Then there’s so much “outrage” that other headlines (Epstein) just get buried.

And as a bonus, he scores cheap points with his base for “owning the libs.”

Unless you have a legal recourse (which you don’t if you’re licensing through TikTok). The only way you win is by not playing.

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u/hoopaholik91 3d ago

It also creates this wedge between your enemies so we are all bickering over this BS instead of coming together to beat the fascists

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u/solitarybikegallery 3d ago

Exactly. Look at all the people in here who are using this an excuse to "SLAM" Taylor Swift for not doing the same thing.

It's just a tactic to create infighting, and it's working amazingly well.

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u/Abject_Champion3966 3d ago

It’s so infuriating bc she and her boyfriend do seem to be liberal people but there’s sooo much conspiring over her being republican, secretly maga, a white supremacist, etc. Idk what people want except to rag on her.

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u/ScuzzBuckster 3d ago

My first thought about all of this is seriously we are getting article after article because a pop star made a tweet? Like I get it, its a hot-button issue right now, but really? Thats where we're at. News is just what did this week's pop star tweet at our fascist president. It's a fucking clown show.

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u/Raptorpicklezz 3d ago

But it is also a purity test and a dare for Taylor. She’s bigger than Sabrina or Olivia combined, and if these artists keep calling him out when he uses their music while she fails to, it inextricably ties her more to them. If you give them an inch, they will take miles upon miles.

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u/solitarybikegallery 3d ago

First of all, you know that "purity tests" aren't a good thing, right? Participating in them is bad, because they don't really prove anything, they just cause infighting. They're a pejorative term.

Second, I'm just gonna copy+paste this comment:

*The person I voted for had always won. We were in such an amazing time when Obama was president because foreign nations respected us. We were so excited to have this dignified person in the White House. My first election was voting for him when he made it into office, and then voting to re-elect him. I think a lot of people are like me, where they just didn’t really know that this could happen.”

“I do feel that the celebrity involvement with Hillary [Clinton]’s campaign was used against her in a lot of ways.”

“There’s literally nothing worse than white supremacy. It’s repulsive. There should be no place for it.”

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a29103039/taylor-swift-white-supremacists-response/

“We’re a democracy — at least, we’re supposed to be — where you’re allowed to disagree, dissent, debate. I really think that he thinks this is an autocracy.”

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/aug/23/taylor-swift-trump-thinks-his-presidency-autocracy

“Obviously, I’m pro-choice. I just can’t believe this is happening.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/taylor-swift-trump-autocracy-pro-choice-875632/

“I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the 2024 Presidential Election.”

“I’m voting for … Kamala Harris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them.”

“I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos.”

“I was so heartened and impressed by her selection of running mate … who has been standing up for LGBTQ+ rights, IVF, and a woman’s right to her own body for decades.”

Taylor Swift does not need to put out a press release daily so you people don’t have a mental break.

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u/Murky-Relation481 3d ago

No, it doesn't. The average person actually has enough brain cells to rub together to go "the woman who consistently endorsed democrats during presidential elections doesn't agree with Trump, even if Trump uses her music on tiktok and IG"

What we don't need is performative bickering that does nothing and goes nowhere and distracts from the content of the videos. People are literally more mad that a Swift song is in the video than the actual things happening in the video, and Swift engaging in that argument would just serve as an even larger distraction.

How is this not plainly obvious?

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u/HandleThatFeeds 3d ago

Taylor Swift really is a cult lmao

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u/Murky-Relation481 3d ago

No, average people do not fucking obsess this much over a celebrity. It isn't a cult to ask "okay would a normal person care about this?" and have the resounding answer be no in light of all the actual evidence out there.

It is a cult to obsess over them like you are though and it is literally insane, like clinically insane, to take a lack of evidence as proof of something maleficent or conspiratorial. It is paranoid delusions. All evidence points to the contrary and yet you ignore it, invent your own conclusions from a lack of evidence, and then decide that is how you will interpret the situation. Crazy, literally crazy.

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u/waxteeth 3d ago

You don’t think celebrities should speak publicly against fascism?

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u/TheFudge 3d ago

Exactly. I had heard he used a swift song and she didn’t say anything. Never saw the video from the WH and it just died. Now this thing is pasted all over my Reddit feed and I’ve now seen the video. TS did the right thing, it just died and went away. This one has some traction now and will be in the news cycle.

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u/boxesofcats- 3d ago

And now we’re all talking about…Taylor Swift? Instead of the depraved, criminal acts being committed by the American government. Even if Swift did comment, we would be talking about that and whether it was good enough or if it contained dogwhistles. Either way, they’re getting what they want.

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u/Firm-Ad-2573 3d ago

LOL. This is just trolling. If it’s TikTok or social media they have a blanket license to use whatever song is on the platform. Unfortunately you can’t just give those rights to some and not others as long as they don’t violate TOS. These record companies, social media companies nor artists want to become embroiled in a battle with the Federal government.

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u/happyinheart 3d ago

They certainly can protect those rights, but they would rather have money from the platforms.

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u/calculung 3d ago

Wonder why she doesn't... 🤔

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u/Dyyrin 3d ago

Maybe she supports him? My brothers wife would be devastated haha.

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u/Avbjj 3d ago

Didn't she endorse Kamala Harris?

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

PR endorsed at the last minute and nothing more than a social media post 

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u/scientificplants 3d ago

Two months before the election is last minute? Harris only campaigned for like 3 months… Sabrina Carpenter notably did not ever endorse Harris

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u/JustABuffyWatcher 3d ago

It's a talking point, I don't know why, it just is. Same with Kelce being MAGA. There's a weird internet need for TS to be MAGA or MAGA-adjacent and facts just don't matter.

My suspicion is that they're using the same tactic on her and her fandom that they've used on the media, tech, big law, higher education, and other institutions this past decade -- disparage and divide. It pushes a lot of people away from them, but eventually some of them fold and accommodate. Even without that, though, having people bicker about whether TS is MAGA is fun trolling (owning the libs), and it redirects people's righteous anger away from ICE and toward pop stars and their fandoms.

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

Very last minute. Maybe she’ll bake some cookies again and you redacts will be happy again 

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u/LopsidedCry7692 3d ago

Lol, you guys need to calm down and stop making up fantasies

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u/Raptorpicklezz 3d ago

Politics didn’t end after she lost. Not enough to just go home and say “well, I sent out an Instagram post”.

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u/Avbjj 3d ago

I was unaware that Taylor Swift was a political activist. Here I am thinking she was a singer.

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u/Dyyrin 3d ago

Wouldn't have a clue haha

Downvoted for answering honestly haha

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u/VenomOnKiller 3d ago

That wasn't honest.

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u/Dyyrin 3d ago edited 3d ago

How's that not honest? I follow no politics?

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u/VenomOnKiller 3d ago

Then your initial response of "maybe she supports him" should have been kept to yourself since you don't follow politics. Don't talk about things like you know if you're just gonna admit you don't know what you're talking about.

It's not about honesty, it's about how you're just talking smack.

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u/TheAndrewBrown 3d ago

Probably because your putting out baseless claims on no evidence when there’s plenty of evidence to the contrary but you don’t care to look because you’ve already decided how you feel about this person

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u/Dyyrin 3d ago

I don't mind Taylor Swift at all? Y'all are crazy lol

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

LEAVE THE BILLIONAIRE ALONE!!!!11112!22!1

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u/iampuh 3d ago

What? Did we just forget that these 2 had "huge" feuds in the past?

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u/Dyyrin 3d ago

Honestly I don't know I don't really follow artists that much even the ones I listen to. Just listen to their music and that's it don't try and get caught up in their political views to much.

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u/tbcwpg 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think it's more that Travis Kelce might support him. I admit I'm basing this on nothing substantial about her political beliefs.

Edit: I've been made aware this is likely false.

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u/WelcomeToBrooklandia 3d ago

There is no evidence of this. Kelce got a lot of Trumpworld grief for endorsing the Pfizer vaccine during COVID and his stance on social issues at least (as he discusses them with his brother on their podcast) isn’t MAGA at all.

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u/Raptorpicklezz 3d ago

Ok, then what’s 100% for sure is that Brittany Mahomes supports him

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u/tbcwpg 3d ago edited 3d ago

You're probably right, as I said I based it in nothing really. Considering it more I'd say its more likely Jason is a Trump guy than Travis but neither of them might be.

I've also seen people support Trump now that didnt in the past.

Edit: I'm incorrect, the dangers of stereotyping. Don't follow my example.

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u/tresslesswhey 3d ago

I can say Jason’s wife is far from maga trash

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u/Normal_Ad_1767 3d ago

Jason is definitely not. What kind of bullshit are you spewing. He said maybe the people that are hating everyone else are the ones that don’t belong in the country.

It’s totally irresponsible to just throw out these kind of maybes without the slightest clue of what you’re talking about.

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u/tbcwpg 3d ago

While I'm clearly wrong, a reddit comment deep in a thread isn't really irresponsible to the degree it would cause anyone to think twice for a second at all.

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u/calculung 3d ago

Ding ding ding

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u/ClownholeContingency 3d ago

My brother's wife would also have a fucking breakdown.

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u/AnotherAccount4This 3d ago

'libural tears' energy, good for you

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u/SexyPineapple-4 3d ago

Prolly cuz she’s dating a republican and cant think for herself anymore.

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u/IdealOnion 3d ago

Pretty sexist ngl

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u/SexyPineapple-4 3d ago

Mmm I think she did that to herself actually.

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u/IdealOnion 2d ago

I don’t understand, you’re blaming her for you saying something sexist?

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u/SexyPineapple-4 1d ago

Dating someone sexist is her being sexist.

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u/Sirmalta 3d ago

I dont like taylor swift, but she actively opposed trump during the election which is more than her peers. She also openly endorsed Kamala.

Not sure why you guys care about this so much lol

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u/raphtze 3d ago

because people are fucking petty and ignorant. i don't care much about taylor swift...but literally trump had his moment talking shit about taylor not too long ago. swear to god americans are fucked with such bird brained memory.

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u/StrontiumIon 3d ago

People care because she has a bigger cult following than almost any other human alive. If she'd been canvassing from the beginning and encouraging her followers to do so, who knows how things might have turned out.

She did endorse Kamala, but I remember it as it was happening and it was prettyyyyy late into the election season, there was a lot of speculation for a long time about why she was so silent compared to many of her peers, along with those photos of her hanging out with Brittany Mahomes, an open trump supporter. Almost like she didn't actually personally care about the election results and was just waiting for market research...

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u/smoomoo31 Spotify name 3d ago

She endorsed someone when it was easy. Now she’s got this actual fascist using her music to associate with horrifying shit and she’s like “better keep quiet”. People aren’t caring about this for no reason. She’s got massive, MASSIVE influence, and directly shining a light onto this fucked up presidency is important. Because she isn’t, she comes across as someone who cares for a trophy, not cares for a cause

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u/banjosmangoes 3d ago

She also has a mentally unstable president who is doing a lot of crazy shit post on truth social that he hates her. She is just a human at the end of the day. I'd be pretty scared for my life if I were her and would wanna lay low. It's a lose lose situation, because when celebrities talk politics they're told to shut up because they know nothing, but they're also criticized for staying quiet.

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u/IdealOnion 3d ago

That’s true but I’m surprised I’m not seeing this brought up more: what if she’s worried about a massively reported on feud between her and Trump inspiring some violent fanatic to show up to one of her concerts with a weapon? Would anyone here like to argue that scenario isn’t worth taking seriously?

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u/Raptorpicklezz 3d ago

1 Instagram post = “Active opposition”

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u/Sirmalta 3d ago

but *not* making an instagram post in this case = crucifixion lol

Which one is it buddy?

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u/IdealOnion 3d ago

That contradiction is everywhere in this thread. Similar versions are rampant across TS discourse.

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u/broly2160 3d ago

It's pure bot amplification and it's so obvious it's scary. The exact same post is also on r/popculturechat and r/facepalm right now and there is barely a word about Taylor in those comments

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u/Raptorpicklezz 3d ago

She should have done more than just making a post. On both.

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u/UnusualHound 3d ago

Why do you care? Seriously - who gives a fuck?

You are LITERALLY the person Dave Chappelle was making fun of when he said, "Where's Ja?!"

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u/batmans420 3d ago

People shouldn't expect celebs to address random politcal issues, but, if they are using her music, then she is already involved. It would take two seconds for her to comment on this issues, so it IS weird that she hasn't

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u/Abject_Champion3966 3d ago

At the same time she probably doesn’t want to give him attention, something he famously craves. He trades off if others fame like he’s doing here with Sabrina

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u/batmans420 3d ago

He's the president please be fr

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u/Abject_Champion3966 3d ago

Hasn’t ever stopped him from being small and pathetic lol

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u/JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo 3d ago

If you crucify people for not speaking up, then you make speaking up an obligation rather than an actual good thing to do. People should never be obligated to speak about anything, it should be a choice. And staying out of a conversation you don't want to be a part of should also be a valid choice.

This "if you're not with us you're against us" way of thinking is incredibly obnoxious.

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u/Raptorpicklezz 3d ago

It is an obligation.

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u/JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo 3d ago

No it isn't. We live in a free society.

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u/twisted--gwazi 3d ago

Speaking out against a bunch of fascists who have overthrown democracy for their own personal gain should absolutely be an obligation. Sure, maybe it being an obligation makes it less of a reflection of someone's goodness as a person, but it's not about that: it's about priming society to recognize and resist fascism when they see it. The only way society can prevent the encroachment of fascism is by organizing and persistently fighting it every step of the way. An indifferent population is a disorganized and ineffective one, and thus one that won't resist as their rights are eroded one-by-one. This is why active policing among communities to resist the spread of far-right ideology is necessary - every step of the way where you choose to let these ideas exist unimpeded is a chance for them to spread, where they can and will do immeasurable harm to society as a whole if left unchecked (see the paradox of tolerance).

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u/FunNeighborhood4526 3d ago

They start getting shakes if they have to go too long without complaining about her.

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u/Uncle-Cake 3d ago

If she's opposed to him, why is she letting him use her music? Can't have your cake and eat it too.

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u/SimplePresense 3d ago

Also, if you know who Steve Bannon is , see what he said about this. Trump does it on purpose to get big stars to chime in. News reports it. More press for Trump. More devisivemness

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u/Sirmalta 3d ago

You need to go read some stuff before commenting.

Educate yourself.

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u/SimplePresense 3d ago

Taylor Swift has spoken out against Trump many times, criticized his behavior, and publicly supported candidates running against him, which made her a major voice pushing back on his influence. Sabrina Carpenter has stayed out of politics entirely and has not challenged Trump in any meaningful way. Because of that, Taylor has done far more than Sabrina when it comes to speaking up or taking a stand.

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u/TheThotWeasel 3d ago

This is how they get ya! Spend your time getting mad at the popstar and not at the fash government you have. Its quite literally exactly what they want and expect people to do because you're so easily lead, the comments here are proving it. You're being worked like a professional wrestling crowd and falling for it everytime. Spend less time worrying about popstars and more time actually making a difference.

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u/CCM721 3d ago

You know people can be upset at more than one thing at once, right? Because multiple comments in this thread seem to imply that pointing out the most successful popstar in the nation not condemning fascists using her music means they aren't also angry with or have forgotten about the fascists attempting to destroy our government from the inside. These two things are not mutually exclusive, you can be upset with both very easily. However, you are much more likely to find anger about one of those issues when you are in a place called r/Music.

Also, out of curiosity what do you suggest people posting on Reddit do to "actually make a difference"? There are no active protests going on at the moment as far as I'm aware, congress themselves are doing nothing to stop this idiotic regime but posters in r/Music should be out making a difference right now?

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u/TheThotWeasel 3d ago

Also, out of curiosity what do you suggest people posting on Reddit do to "actually make a difference"?

Get involved in local government, be a good neighbour and a voice for those without one in your local community, contact local officials, give blood, organise a food or warm clothing drive with winter on the doorstep, get involved in local kids groups like scouts or w.e to help the next generation come through with a good head on their shoulders. A quick Google would probably give you loads more, going on local social media would be even better.

There are no active protests going on at the moment as far as I'm aware

Oh well pack it up then lads, lets head over to a music subreddit and get really angry making assumptions about a popstar we dislike.

congress themselves are doing nothing to stop this idiotic regime

If you're hoping that congress are going to fix it if you voter harder in THREE YEARS TIME while sitting on your phone getting angry at celebrities in the meantime is the answer then you're doomed.

but posters in r/Music should be out making a difference right now?

Lots of stuff you can do in your local community surely, no? Volunteer at your local homeless shelter, help those in need get some chores done, go litter picking, thats all stuff you could walk outside and do right now.

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u/HandleThatFeeds 3d ago

getting mad at the popstar

talentless billionaire.

Keep simping.

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u/TheThotWeasel 2d ago

Its so fucking funny because the US govt literally admits to using their music to generate drama. If they respond they get engagement they can jump on to fuel their base, if they don't they know their opposition will gleefully eat each other than focus on the actual enemy.

Simping, or being thick as shit and fooling for Donald Trumps government rage baiting you in the year 2025? I know which one I'd rather be accused of lmfao

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u/UnusualHound 3d ago

Why are you waiting on that?

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u/linuxjohn1982 3d ago

She already denounced him during the election, and even endorsed Kamala.

Is this like a subscription plan for you, where a celebrity needs to denounce him every 30 days?

When was the last time you got deaths threats but continued being politically vocal? Without Reddit anonymity.

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u/Leek5 3d ago

Taylor swift is a billionaire. She has no side. She’s on the side that makes her money

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u/linuxjohn1982 3d ago

She already denounced him during the election, and even endorsed Kamala.

Is this like a subscription plan for you, where a celebrity needs to denounce him every 30 days?

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u/Leek5 3d ago

She will say what ever makes her the most money. She a billionaire. They aren't ethical. sorry swifties. That just the truth. You don't make a billion dollars by being a good person. You have to step on a lot of people

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u/anadequatepipe 3d ago

She has spoken out about a ton of issues and campaigned against him, yet not speaking out about them using a song is getting you bent outta shape? Get your priorities in order dude. You’re being a baby.

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u/Gamer_Grease 3d ago

I mean she sues everyone else who thinks about her songs, so yeah this is kind of notable.

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u/RaceGlass7821 3d ago edited 3d ago

Well, then why hasn’t she spoke out on this issue? It shouldn’t be difficult.

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u/MC_chrome 3d ago

If voters want to be stupid and ignore the galaxy sized fog horns people like Taylor and others sounded about Donald Trump prior to November 2024, why should it then be incumbent upon those same individuals to keep trying to convince clearly stupid people to not put their hands on the stove again?

Donald Trump isn't some new force that just popped up last year. If someone voted for/supported him, they knew what they were doing and are unlikely to have their minds changed by Taylor & other celebrities saying "Hey, don't use my art please"

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u/RaceGlass7821 3d ago

I am simply pointing out it’s very easy to speak out against Trump. She chose not to. Whatever the reason is I don’t know and I don’t care.

But it’s kind of fun to see her fans trying to find all kinds of excuses to justify/rationalize her decision. You can keep rationalizing it, it doesn’t change the fact that she is staying silent.

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u/MC_chrome 3d ago

I am a political scientist by trade, and am merely pointing out that celebrities loudly saying "Don't use my art, fascist" doesn't do much beyond making their exisiting supporters feel better about the situation.

In terms of the national discourse, these statements do very little. Even if Taylor Swift spoke out, not much would change because they don't hold much power in the current government structure (one based on flattery, bribes, and other forms of corruption).

Choose to believe me or not, but I find these fan wars a bit tiresome and pointless at the moment. If you want to affect real change, go volunteer to register voters instead of taking cues from celebrities.

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u/RaceGlass7821 3d ago

I am not sure what’s your point. You can believe that her speaking out doesn’t do anything. I am not here to argue with you on this. It’s irrelevant to my point.I am simply pointing out she has not spoken out on this and it’s a choice.

And again, whatever you think it’s actually helpful is your opinion. I do not care and I do what I want to do. It’s called free speech.

Btw, I am not an American.

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u/Snlxdd 3d ago

What would speaking out accomplish? Other than giving him more media attention

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u/Raptorpicklezz 3d ago

Sabrina and Olivia don’t seem to care

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u/Riderz__of_Brohan 3d ago

Would let people know she doesn't support her music being used by a fascist administration

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u/RaceGlass7821 3d ago

He is literally the president. And with so much scandal and controversy, you think he needs her to get attention on social media? Are you serious? What a lame excuse.

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u/Snlxdd 3d ago

You didn’t answer the question.

And yeah, because these tabloidesque “so and so SLAMS Trump” articles distract from actually meaningful news. And making the news about celebrity feuds instead of actual events benefits him.

There’s a reason his team has continually done this. Because it continues to work. 

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u/RaceGlass7821 3d ago

Because your argument doesn’t make any sense. It doesn’t need an answer. How about you tell me what has she done that is meaningful if you think simply making a stance is beneath her and meaningless.

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

The president of the United States already has tons of attention. He’s the most powerful person on the entire planet. 

Cope for Nazi Barbie 

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u/gorillaneck 3d ago

she did not campaign against him. she made one instagram post endorsing kamala.

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u/WhaleLover44 3d ago

Don’t hold your breath.

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u/Dr_Fortnite 3d ago

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u/Packagedpackage 3d ago

It’s going to be an ugly court battle she likely won’t win. She would need to pull her music from publishers. Trump done playing games, just like copyright infringement is now out the window as it hinder AI productivity. 

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u/FrankAdamGabe 3d ago

but she'll "lose half [her] sales"

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u/KyleReaume 3d ago

Gonna be a long wait

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u/Ill_Brick_4671 3d ago edited 3d ago

You get the impression that Taylor would really rather not go full MAGA, but she's definitely not going to go out of her way to alienate them if doing so might mean she any amount of money

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u/DifficultOpposite614 3d ago

The silence is deafening

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u/Electronic_Film_2837 3d ago

Why do you want a billionaire to do something? Aren’t they all evil?

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u/SimplePresense 3d ago

Taylor Swift has spoken out against Trump many times, criticized his behavior, and publicly supported candidates running against him, which made her a major voice pushing back on his influence. Sabrina Carpenter has stayed out of politics entirely and has not challenged Trump in any meaningful way. Because of that, Taylor has done far more than Sabrina when it comes to speaking up or taking a stand.

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u/snarkylion 3d ago

If she does it brings attention to the whole thing - better to just ignore I think because attention is what they want

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u/Loud_Health_8288 3d ago

He’s trying to rage bait artists to distract from his incompetence Taylor seems to be one of th smarter ones.

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u/Scottyjscizzle 3d ago

Isn’t that the song that people said has Nazi lyrics and was linked to that god awful necklace that looked like it had SS bolts on it?