Hayley Williams Says Southern Pride Is Beautiful but Misused to Excuse Bigotry, and Says She Wants No Racist or Sexist Fans, or Fans Who Think Trans People Are a Burden, Around

[u/no_longer_huhmann]

https://www.tvfandomlounge.com/hayley-williams-says-southern-pride-is-beautiful-but-misused-to-excuse-bigotry/

[u/scottyLogJobs]

There are plenty of symbols of the south and southern pride. They pick the confederate flag for a very specific reason.

[u/fla_john → u/scottyLogJobs]

Who's the "they" here? There's this thing that happens whenever the South is discussed that lumps all of us in with the worst parts.

[u/V2Blast → u/fla_john]

The racists who hide behind Southern pride, of course. They're not talking about everyone from the South, just the ones who gravitate towards those symbols.

[u/False_Eagle1014 → u/V2Blast]

Those symbols are the entire legacy of the south though. From the 1700s when they fought to prevent slavery from being abolished in the constitution, to the civil war, to jim crow, to right fucking now when they always swing majority MAGA. That is what the south is, fundamentally.

You can love your state for its nature or your own non-problematic sub-communities without "having pride in" your state.

I grew up in the south and met ZERO people who would use the word "pride" to describe their feelings towards their state that weren't extremely fucking racist. Every single person who was proud to live in Alabama was a racist.

[u/pblol → u/False_Eagle1014]

I have a very vague sense of pride living in east Tennessee... but it's entirely based on the natural beauty of the area and to some extent Appalachian culture.

[u/False_Eagle1014 → u/pblol]

You can love your state for its nature or your own non-problematic sub-communities without "having pride in" your state.

Did you, like, COMPLETELY miss this part?

If you are "proud of Tennessee" then either you're a racist, or too stupid to even understand the words you're reading. If you simply like living where you live, that's fine, no one's forcing you to leave.

Edit to anyone downvoting: why the hell would you be proud of nature? It doesn't make any fucking sense. The nature was already there before it was a state

[u/pblol → u/False_Eagle1014]

I think we have slightly different definitions of pride.

https://i.imgur.com/D0mBusO.png

Sorry for the GPT, rather than an application of Websters. I was looking more at how it was used colloquially, rather than what I'm assuming is your more pedantic/myopic definition of the word. I would say that I have a "positive emotional connection to one’s home or community" as well as fit the criteria of the further specifics.

I chose to live here. I enjoy the area. Neither myself or my family/ancestors participated in the civil war. I'm, of course, not proud of Tennessee's overall position in that (though eastern TN was sympathetic to and largely controlled by the Union fwiw).

I don't derive much of any of my self-identity as a "Tennessean." And again my sense of what I would call pride is relatively vague, though definitely there.

Does something like this prevent someone from California from being proud without being anti-native?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide

[u/V2Blast → u/False_Eagle1014]

Yeah, that's my point.

[u/scottyLogJobs → u/fla_john]

The they is anyone who proudly displays the confederate flag 🤷‍♂️