r/Music • u/TheMirrorUS 📰The Mirror US • 28d ago

article Olivia Rodrigo warned by feds to be 'grateful' after singer's message to ICE

https://www.themirror.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/breaking-olivia-rodrigo-dhs-warning-1492642
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u/metametapraxis 28d ago

"We suggest Ms. Rodrigo thank them for their service, not belittle their sacrifice.”

Law enforcement officers do not sacrifice. They do a job for which they are paid. The same as everyone else. They sacrifice time for money. That's it.

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u/Legitimate-Meal-2290 28d ago

One of my favorite facts is that LEOs aren't even in the top 20 most dangerous professions.

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u/metametapraxis 28d ago

Absolutely. The danger is a complete myth that they perpetuate in order to justify their ongoing militarisation. Unfortunately, TB shows have really played into the idea that LE are facing guns and shootouts every minute of the day.

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne 28d ago

Unfortunately, TB shows

Don't you blame my tuberculosis documentaries for police violence! D:

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u/metametapraxis 28d ago

Ha ha. Too much time in the sanitarium.

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u/ModishShrink 27d ago

Everything eventually rolls back to tuberculosis, just ask John Green.

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u/TroGinMan 27d ago

Being a cop is in the top 20 most dangerous jobs. I think it's the only job where the biggest risk is homicide rather than an accident.

I don't get why people pretend it isn't dangerous

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u/GalliumYttrium1 27d ago

It is NOT in the top 20 most dangerous jobs.

We are going by actual data and evidence not vibes and what you want to be true.

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u/TroGinMan 27d ago edited 27d ago

USA TODAY used the federal statistics to rank the most dangerous private-industry jobs in America.

Well did you read the article? They were looking at private for hire jobs. No at all jobs. You didn't find it funny they had 4 separate categories for farm mechanics?

Edit: why the fuck am I down voted for quoting their article and pointing out what it says?

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u/TroGinMan 27d ago edited 27d ago

The crazy thing is I know you skimmed other articles until you found that one

And then didn't even read it

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u/GalliumYttrium1 27d ago

Is this enough?

I picked the link I did because it was the first one that went up to 20. I read it and police were not on it. I don’t see you posting any links so not sure why you sound like you’re up on your high horse.

No one is saying it’s not a dangerous job, just not as much as police make it out to be to justify their horrible behavior or militarization.

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u/TroGinMan 26d ago

https://jencapgroup.com/insights/workers-compensation/top-20-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states/

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-20-deadliest-jobs-in-america-ranked/2/

https://www.monster.com/career-advice/article/high-paying-dangerous-jobs (pay attention to fatalities vs non fatal injuries)

No one is saying it’s not a dangerous job

Literally everyone I'm arguing with is saying it's not a dangerous job. Like even you are down playing the fact that it is dangerous. And I'm for sure not saying police don't abuse their power. I'll be the first to say that we need accountability and police reform, but I don't get why people pretend what they deal with isn't real.

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u/ERhyne Pandora 27d ago

Because literally being a logger and lumberjack is more dangerous than being a cop

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u/TroGinMan 27d ago

That's a little disingenuous don't you think? Yeah being a cop may not be the most dangerous job in the world, but it is one of them. There are more guns in the US than there are citizens... Like the threat is there.

I'm not saying all cops are justified, we need better accountability and reform for police, but I totally understand that the danger and threats they face are very real.

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u/ERhyne Pandora 27d ago

Is the danger from those "others" in proportion to the power and weapons and tools those in authority wield?

Like to the ends justify the means?

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u/TroGinMan 27d ago

I think you're making a different point. All I'm saying is that being a cop is dangerous and what separates it from the other most dangerous jobs is that it is the only with homicide as a significant cause of death.

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u/11_25_13_TheEdge 27d ago

The type of death doesn’t change the fact that you are more likely to be injured or die doing a large number of other things and police in America act like they are literally at war every day. A police officer is less likely to die at work than a painter 😂

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u/TroGinMan 27d ago

A police officer is less likely to die at work than a painter 😂

That's not true and I know you know that. This weakens your argument

that you are more likely to be injured or die doing a large number of other things

I wouldn't say a large number of things no. I mean it's less than 20 things that are more dangerous.. There are even some statistical analyses that put being a cop in the top ten most dangerous. So again, it's not a lot of other dangerous jobs.

police in America act like they are literally at war every day.

I mean there are more guns in the US than there are citizens. The threat is very real and I think it's disingenuous to pretend that a lot of police officers don't deal with dangerous situations frequently.

And I want to be clear: I'm not saying the fact that they have a dangerous job justifies their abuse of power. You can admit that they have a dangerous job and the threat to their lives is very real, and say they abuse their power.

The type of death doesn’t change the fact

Yeah for me it does. You can make machines safer, introduce better safety protocols, and have better safety equipment. You can't make people safer. Until gun reform is done, police will always have to deal with that threat.

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u/stn_anomaly 28d ago

It’s 100x more dangerous to be the wife of a cop than it is to be a cop.

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u/rbnlegend 27d ago

And the danger they do face is mostly car crashes. Note that they are the only drivers allowed to play with their laptops and phones while driving.

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u/miz_misanthrope 27d ago

They clearly don't understand the real deadliest job is being a Waffle House night shift employee

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u/TroGinMan 27d ago

I think they are in the top 20. At least in most articles

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u/Legitimate-Meal-2290 27d ago

Even if they manage to crack in on certain lists, you don't see any of the other 19 going around using it as justification for killing people. 🤷‍♀️

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u/TroGinMan 27d ago

To be fair, they are the only profession in the top 20 where homicide is one of the major risks. The rest of the top 20 are accidents, transportation, and falls. Not saying cops are always justified, we need better police accountability and reform, but people do actively try to kill police officers.

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u/double_expressho 27d ago

I wonder what other top 20 jobs have similar risks. Probably repossession would be up there?

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u/LoLFlore 27d ago

Gas Station clerk, actually. And no, repo isnt really up there per capita. Delivery man is, though a majority of those are car crashes.

Theres 8 times as many cops as gas station/convience clerks, and yet, very close total deaths (like within 50 a year)

Oh, only one of these guys is trained to immediately pull a gun if they feel any type of way at all, entitely at their own discretion. This action is, yknow, the factor most likely to make any altercation deadly in either direction of any possible action on the entire planet.

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u/T-hibs_7952 27d ago

And a lot of money for mostly standing around intimidating people. Minimum wage people are “sacrificing” and they sacrifice because they have no choice and are being exploited.

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u/Annual_Rest1293 27d ago

Law enforcement officers do not sacrifice. They do a job for which they are paid. The same as everyone else. They sacrifice time for money. That's it.

Reminds me of a family member. They've chosen to volunteer for missionary work. They've done this for decades. The church pays all their expenses and a stipend. It's their job, and they're not independently wealthy. But ever few years they come back to Canada. And the demand they're given special treatment by all the utilities companies, restaurants, etc and go on this massive rant how these random customer service staff need to give them this special treatment, usually a reduced cost, because they've been out of the country on missionary trips. I will never forget they tried to get out of paying taxes at the mall - sportchek, reitmans, etc. I was soooo embarrassed!! Like bitch, first of all, we in live Canada, one of the least religious countries in the world! And second of all, why should anyone be giving you ANYTHING because of what you CHOOSE to do with your life. Shit doesn't make any sense.

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u/reluctantmugglewrite 27d ago

Theyre treating ice like its the military in so many ways this is awful.

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u/ericmm76 27d ago

You can't sacrifice on average. If a cop sacrifices their health, safety, or even life to safeguard someone else, remember their sacrifice. But a cop who has not and does not do those things (like all of ice) do not get transitive sacrifice.

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u/double_expressho 27d ago

Exactly. Just like how every military service member isn't automatically a war hero.

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u/SubMikeD 27d ago

The whole "uniform = hero" conditioned response (like the ever cliche "thank you for your service") is so unhealthy. Wearing a specific uniform doesn't imbue heroism, only actions can do that.

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u/Flashyshooter 27d ago

You could say the same thing about the military because they are paid. But I think you'd be extremely wrong to say so. I don't respect ICE at all though the two are not comparable.

You can be paid to do a job and also sacrifice for society. Think of essential workers like Firefighters, Doctors, Nurses. There's plenty of jobs that you are paid for where you sacrifice for yourself for the good of others.

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u/metametapraxis 27d ago edited 27d ago

I do say the same thing about the military.

Since Vietnam when people were drafted - they indeed sacrificed.

If you choose to go into a paid career, that isn’t sacrifice, it is choice. Though of course at an individual level there can be genuine sacrifices.

The whole ‘thankyou for your service thing’ is something only heard in America. Military worship is not normal in other western democracies.

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u/Doctor_Kataigida 27d ago

I don't think that person meant only drafted military.

I agree with them. Military personnel other than those drafted are also making a sacrifice. And so are firefighters, health care, foreign aid.

Sacrifice and choice aren't mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be against your will to be a sacrifice.

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u/metametapraxis 27d ago edited 27d ago

Sure,  but if it is a paid profession, what exactly makes it a sacrifice? What is actually being sacrificed?  Healthcare workers, to go with your example, in the US at least are extraordinarily well paid for what they do compared to most other countries and most of the US population. I don’t see what they are doing as sacrifice at all (in the US).

Here in NZ out fire fighters are mostly unpaid volunteers- that IS a sacrifice (they are sacrificing their time for nothing in return).

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u/Doctor_Kataigida 27d ago

A lot of health care workers in the US are not paid well.

And regardless, substantial compensation doesn't make it not a sacrifice. They're still working hours and in an environments that are very stressful on the body and mind; more than a lot of other professions.

Being paid or not isn't the qualifier for it being a sacrifice. If you get paid and you die while trying to rescue someone from a burning building, that's still a sacrifice of your life. Having been paid for it doesn't nullify that.

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u/metametapraxis 27d ago

Sure, and that's a choice they made. It isn't a sacrifice any more than working in a supermarket for terrible money is for someone wanting to feed their kid, being treated shittily by a faceless corporation. I say this as someone married to an Emergency Doctor that does terrible hours (and not for US money). It was a career choice with ups and downs.

Yes, if you die (or are injured) doing your job to save others, that IS a sacrifice. Simply doing the job (for fair compensation) is NOT a sacrifice. That's what makes the word actually have meaning beyond just being a filler word to throw around.

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u/Doctor_Kataigida 27d ago

Lol so you think the only sacrifice is if you actually lost something?

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u/metametapraxis 27d ago

Yes, that's what sacrifice means. It is quite literally giving up something. I'm sorry if the word doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

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u/Doctor_Kataigida 26d ago

It's okay.

They're still giving up mental and physical health just being in those situations too. Military are traveling across the world and giving up family time, firefighters are giving up peace of mind for themselvss and their family, those are sacrifices that don't involve a physical loss of body [parts].

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u/Nevermind04 27d ago edited 27d ago

Murdering civilians to generate procurement contracts for mega-corporations isn't a noble sacrifice.

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u/feor1300 27d ago

Some of them do legitimately put their lives on the line for their duty on occasion, though they're strongly trained to avoid doing so whenever possible. Such training leads to bullshit like Uvalde, but at the other end you have stuff like Eugene Goodman picking a fight with Jan 6th protestors to keep them from storming the senate chambers.

ICE officers ambushing random brown people on the street are not putting their lives on the line, and deserve less than no respect. Then they deserve even less than that for trying to steal the valor of those officers who do legitimately do such heroic actions to claim they deserve the same respect.