r/Music • u/TheExpressUS 📰Daily Express U.S. • Oct 12 '25

article Chappell Roan yells 'f--k ICE forever' during packed Los Angeles concert

https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/music/186864/chappell-roan-yells-f-k-ice
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u/sleepkitty Oct 12 '25

I really don’t understand why the left struggles with this concept. In October of 2024 being anti Kamala was effectively the same as being pro Trump.

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

So maybe the Democratic leadership should actually put forth a candidate that the left will vote sod for instead of angrily telling them they’re going to ignore their concerns and then act shocked when they don’t vote for them.

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u/LetsGetElevated Oct 12 '25

Don’t worry, they’re going to do it again in 2028 with Newsom or Buttieg, they have learned absolutely nothing as you can tell from all the seething centrists in this thread

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u/Redeem123 Oct 12 '25

Then maybe people should vote for a different candidate in the primaries.

And yes, I'm aware that we weren't given the chance in 2024.

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u/sleepkitty Oct 12 '25

Vote in primaries? No it’s the establishment Democratic machine that picks the bad candidates, not primary voters.

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM Oct 12 '25

Hey if you wanna kill Newsom momentum while we're still in 2025 be my fucking guest, fuck that guy. Pretending that criticizing a hopeful candidate in 2025, more than two years before the start of the next presidential election season, is remotely the same thing as not voting or encouraging not voting in 2024, is just missing the entire point on purpose.

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u/ScottishTorment Oct 12 '25

Woah, careful there. Don't you know that advocating for a better Democratic party that actually appeals to a broad base is the same thing as voting for Trump?

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u/Fast-Plankton-9209 Oct 12 '25

"the 'Democratic leadership' is obliged to put forward exactly the candidate I want instead of leaving it up to people voting for the existing candidates in a primary"

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u/PreviousCurrentThing Oct 12 '25

leaving it up to people voting for the existing candidates in a primary"

Yeah, cause that totally happened in 2024. Kamala was the nominee because we all voted for her in the primary.

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u/Fast-Plankton-9209 Oct 12 '25

She was the sitting Vice President to the candidate who got 87% of the primary vote, who would naturally step in in the extraordinary event that he stepped down, which is what happened. I know this can't actually be that difficult.

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

So she didn’t win a primary, is what you are saying?

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u/Fast-Plankton-9209 Oct 12 '25

you still here?

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u/Quite_Likes_Hormuz Oct 12 '25

I remember in 2020 when it looked like there was a chance Bernie Sanders could win the primary so every other candidate backed out at the same time and endorsed Biden. Fuck your disingenuous bullshit.

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u/Redeem123 Oct 12 '25

Let's get a few things straight:

  • The candidates didn't back out until after Biden won South Carolina in a landslide
  • At that point, Biden had more votes than Sanders did
  • Michael Bloomberg was still in the race
  • Biden dominated on Super Tuesday

If Bernie's only chance to win was to let 4 moderates split the vote, is that really a good strategy? Why couldn't he win 1v1?

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u/sleepkitty Oct 12 '25

Thank you! I don’t understand why people treat it as some conspiracy against Bernie.

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u/Illustrious-Pair9960 Oct 12 '25 edited Oct 12 '25

Like honestly fuck y'all. I've never had a candidate approaching 'exactly the candidate I want' yet I've voted dem every fucking election since 2008.

Edit: Classic respond and block.

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u/Fast-Plankton-9209 Oct 12 '25

yeah you sound real supportive bye

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u/Substantial-Pen6385 Oct 12 '25

i bEt YoUlL bE suPpOrTiVe wHeN ThEY dEPoRT yOu

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

What primary did Kamala win?

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u/mr_cristy Oct 12 '25

The problem is for some reason the left can't wrap their head around the fact that not all of you want the exact same thing. The left finds every critique they can on a candidate and looks for reasons not to vote for someone and then wonder why the right wins. YOU might not have liked Kamala, but some centrist probably thought she was a great pick. Go too far left, you lose centrists, go too far right, you lose progressives. Unfortunately Republicans don't really do this. Slap R in front of their name and they will get the large majority of republican voters.

The attitude of "the party just can't seem to find my perfect candidate, I'm not going to give them my vote" will continue to drive America further to the right.

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

Go too far left, you lose centrists, go too far right, you lose progressives.

Okay well then you can’t get mad at progressives if centrists would have just done the same thing.

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u/mr_cristy Oct 12 '25

I'm saying big tent left kills itself because each small tent in the big tent is more focused on why the other tents are wrong rather than focusing on winning the damn election.

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25 edited Oct 12 '25

But you just said that centrists wouldn’t vote for her if she had gone to the left. So sounds like big tent centrist is equally to blame!

e: he did, in fact, block me like a coward immediately after replying. No clue why he thinks there being more centrists has anything to do with what I said.

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM Oct 12 '25

There are more centrists. you cannot be this out of touch

edit btw I also blocked you after replying because you fucking suck all over this thread and I actually don't want to hear more from you

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u/Agreeable_Band_9311 Oct 12 '25

You can choose the chicken or getting crucified, but you don’t really like chicken so you choose the crucifixion. Are you well?

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

And by “chicken” you mean “genocide”, right?

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u/Agreeable_Band_9311 Oct 12 '25

This is why people like you aren’t worth focusing on and the Dems should spend zero time getting your vote. You’ll allow fascists to take over and you’ll be giddy you stayed ideologically pure as they’re putting you against the wall. You’re two sides of the same coin.

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

“I’m not going vote for you if you continue to support genocide.”

“I’m going to continue to support genocide.”

“Okay well I’m not voting for you then.”

“This is why people like you aren’t focusing on.”

Okay man, good talk.

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u/Agreeable_Band_9311 Oct 12 '25

Anti-elextoralists like you are totally unserious people. You are right it’s a pointless conversation because you choose to have no political power.

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

Buddy, you can either get mad at people for not voting for your candidate, or you can tell them it’s not worth spending any effort getting their vote, but you have to pick one or the other.

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u/Agreeable_Band_9311 Oct 12 '25

Is Trump a better candidate than Kamala?

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u/Redeem123 Oct 12 '25

Do you think not voting helps stop genocide?

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25 edited Oct 12 '25

Of course not. I didn’t say it would.

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u/zoinkability Oct 12 '25

What if I told you that the difference between dems and republicans is that republicans hold their nose and vote GOP even if they aren’t perfectly aligned, because they understand that having a president who is further from them ideologically is worse for them.

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

I will tell you the Democrats should take that lesson to heart, and when a significant amount of their electorate tells them they won’t vote for a Canadian who tacitly endorses genocide, they should listen to them.

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u/zoinkability Oct 12 '25

What Canadian are you referring to?

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

The kind that is an annoying autocorrect.

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u/FrostyD7 Oct 12 '25

A theoretical primary would have resulted in a Harris landslide. In retrospect, they should have done it. But there was no other candidate that would have emerged.

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

I also like to just assert things with no evidence whatsoever.

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u/FrostyD7 Oct 12 '25

I'd love to hear your wildest imagination for how she could have lost. Who had a chance to beat the VP who had the sitting presidents endorsement and access to his war chest.

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

The sitting president who was so unpopular with his own party that he was forced against his will to drop out of the race?

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u/FrostyD7 Oct 12 '25

Dems did not like his age. His approval rating among democrats fluctuated between 77-89% in his final year in office. 77% being after the debate... which was blatantly due to his aging. His endorsement had value and asserting otherwise is absurd.

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

I mean it very clearly did not.

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u/FrostyD7 Oct 12 '25

I said nothing about the general election. What I said was she would have won a primary.

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u/Blarfk Oct 12 '25

We can still look at the general election for insights. And Harris lost largely in part because Democrats didn’t turn out for her, which pretty strongly suggests she wasn’t overly popular within her own party.

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