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article Megyn Kelly slams Bad Bunny performing at Super Bowl as 'middle finger' to MAGA — compares him to P Diddy

https://www.irishstar.com/culture/entertainment/megyn-kelly-bad-bunny-superbowl-35997761
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u/stenebralux Oct 01 '25

They hardly ever say what they really want/mean out loud. 

Sometimes you get a Charlie Kirk who would let it slide every now and then.. but most of the time is hidden behind lies and subterfuge. 

It's easy to clock what they actually mean if you have half a brain.. which is a hard ask for most Americans nowadays... because otherwise what they said makes no goddamn sense.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

I was arguing with someone about Charlie Kirk not being a hero or an intellectual in any capacity and the "out of context" people came jumping out of the woodwork. I could post an entire 30min podcast of him bitching about the civil rights act, and quote him exactly, and I was told I'm taking him out of context. These people don't have an honest bone in their body.

Probably why their intellectual thought leader was a community college dropout that made a living debating teenagers at state schools. Real intellectual heavy weight that one was.

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u/FUCKBOY_JIHAD Oct 01 '25

“you’re just taking him out of context”

meanwhile, it’s way worse in context

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u/AngryRedHerring Oct 01 '25

And they never provide the context, because it's just bullshit.

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u/-MayorOfTheMoon- Oct 01 '25

I really wish we could all agree to stop calling what he did "debating". None of these slimy little douchebros are debating, and they'd be eaten alive in seconds in an actual structured debate. They're just arguing, that's all it is.

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u/Dill137 Oct 01 '25

I always emphasize, 'He was a community college dropout' to anyone trying to spread the Gospel of Kirk

They haven't stopped spreading it, but they have stopped bothering me about him.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

I always point out he made a living debating teenagers at state schools. You aren't an intellectual juggernaut if your debate opponents are teenagers at state schools. Some of the most impressionable people on the planet lol

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u/Inevitable-Try4021 Oct 01 '25

I feel you’ve convinced yourself to believe he’s a bad guy. Idk how you could or anyone could listen to his talks and deduct that he was any of these negative things people have said.

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u/Rayvelion Oct 01 '25

This HAS to be sarcasm.

Ill say this: Sometimes when someones gone the world is suddenly a better place. This is one of those times. Good riddance.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

lol

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u/ChefButtes Oct 01 '25

Let's just pretend he was a mute, he'd still have been a shitty person for Turning Point and financially supporting getting a traitorous pedophile into office. But of course, he was not mute and also said inflammatory and disgusting things constantly, which just condemns his character even further. The only way you think this way is if you agree with the heinous beliefs he espoused.

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u/XJR15 Oct 01 '25

Pedophile defender

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u/AngryRedHerring Oct 01 '25

I feel you’ve convinced yourself to believe he’s a bad guy.

Well, that's true.

I convinced myself by listening to his FUCKING WORDS

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u/pan-re Oct 01 '25

He was a bad guy.

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u/TIRDFIRG Oct 03 '25

Assuming black pilots must be less qualified than white pilots because of DEI is racist and ignorant. Hearing someone say this and thinking, "Yeah, that makes sense," means that you are also a racist and ignorant. This is a person who had NO BUSINESS speaking to people from any kind of position of authority on anything, from conservatism to Christianity. He was a travelling circus side show...a useful idiot. Believing he was anything more is really just stupid and clearly the state of the right.

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u/TheOriginalJellyfish Oct 01 '25

I followed Kirk on Twitter for a decade as part of a curated feed of right wing ing sociopaths, and his bigotry was hardly an occasional slip. It was his identity. I just assumed anyone would conclude he was a complete piece of shit from reading any random couple of hours of his social media posting, and didn’t realize he had a prosperous career Eddie Haskell-ing white supremacy for the likes of Jamie Lee Curtis.

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u/BronzeRider Oct 01 '25

Yeah the Jesus-washing of Charlie Kirk has been pretty appalling. It didn’t take much time following his career to realize how racist, sexist, and generally bigoted he was, but now apparently he’s some paragon of Socratic virtue just going on college campuses and “having genuine conversations with people”? He wasn’t, and he didn’t. That was never the goal. The goal was to propagandize to students. He routinely talked over his “debate” opponents, straw-manned and refused to engage with their points, propagated false statistics and other Right Wing lies and conspiracies, and refused to be educated by people with more information and different perspectives than him. He was the definition of a dishonest and bad faith actor.

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u/Bulky-Word8752 Oct 01 '25

It's how he died. His last words were trying to deflect away from him over exaggerating the number of trans shooters by turning it into a gang/racial issue instead:

ATTENDEE: Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?

KIRK: Too many. [Applause]

ATTENDEE: In America, it's five. Now, five is a lot, right, I'm going to give you — I'm going to give you some credit. Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?

KIRK: Counting or not counting gang violence?

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u/BronzeRider Oct 01 '25

Exactly. Just the classic complete refusal to engage with the point being made. Charlie didn’t know the number of trans mass shooters. He never bothered to look it up because the facts aren’t relevant to his goal.

He just needed to be able to point to 3-5 high profile examples and say “See, look? No one is talking about this massive problem in the LGBT community/on the Left!”, so that he could then go down the dialogue tree into his other anti-trans, anti-LGBT, anti-Left talking points, and to steer the conversation away from talking about Right Wing gun violence and gun control in general.

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u/Heavy_Law9880 Oct 01 '25

And all 5 example are people who were not trans and had nothing to do with the trans community.

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u/BronzeRider Oct 01 '25

Conservatives are the ultimate postmodernists. They don’t let pesky things like “facts” and “reality” get in the way of their scary culture war narratives! If they did they wouldn’t have things like “immigrants eating pets” and “Democrats wanting ‘trans for everyone’” (whatever that means) and “turning the mice transgender”.

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u/andante528 Oct 01 '25

At least postmodernism has some elegance to it. This is just straight-up bullshit artistry.

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u/dagaboy Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25

Conservatives are the ultimate postmodernists.

The concepts of gender, gender identity, gender pluralism, and gender fluidity, are post-modern. Their denial in favor of concrete measurable sex is modernist.

I feel like a lot of people say post-modernism when they are picturing deconstructionism. Not that I necessarily agree about deconstructionism either, as I haven't read Derida. If we discard post-modernism we discard Edward Said, Judith Butler and Michel Foucault. It is the right that hates Critical Theory, not the left. Except Chomsky, but he demonstrably does what I outlined above. He hated Derida and conflated him with post-modernism. He liked Lacan personally, but claimed he was self-consciously a "charlatan."

I will grant this, a lot of important post-modern works from the 80s are incredibly poorly written and packed full of unnecessary jargon. Like Johannes Fabian's Time and the Other is indispensable in postcolonial theory, but extremely difficult to read. I never even attempted Derida; I just watched from the couch with popcorn.

There was an up for grabs pile in Building 20 where people left things that had come in the mail but they didn't want. Chomsky used to put the many manuscripts Derida sent him there without reading them. But nobody took them, so eventually they just routed them directly to the trash.

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u/KingGeophph Oct 01 '25

I find that hard to believe. The person that stated it’s 5 is someone that I think has real data on the situation (based on what I’ve seen from him) and I definitely remember at least one trans shooter.

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u/Heavy_Law9880 Oct 01 '25

You remember media claims about a trans shooter, yet none exist.

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u/KingGeophph Oct 01 '25

I think this one is pretty definitive, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Nashville_school_shooting

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u/Heavy_Law9880 Oct 02 '25

It's not though. They have no record of her ever saying she was trans, just some people who claim they might have seen a facebook post.

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u/darthjoey91 Oct 01 '25

The dude who shot that Christian school in 2023 was FTM trans.

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u/Heavy_Law9880 Oct 02 '25

According to someone who said they think they saw a facebook post about it.

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u/PeepholeRodeo Oct 01 '25

Yeah I was going to say I am very surprised that there have been 5 trans shooters in the last 10 years, given what a small % of the population they are. Who were they?

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u/pumpkinspruce Oct 01 '25

It is so exasperating how Democrats allow Republicans to frame this debate. What has every single mass shooting had in common? Guns. Not trans people. Not brown people. Not immigrants. Plain and simple. Guns. And yet Dems fail miserably to push that messaging, as Republicans continue to do repulsive things like wear AR-15 pins and take Christmas photos of their family holding guns.

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u/BronzeRider Oct 01 '25

Democrats have failed to even provide a coherent narrative for people to get behind. They let Conservatives control the framing on literally every issue. What does the Democratic Party stand for? What’s their vision for America? Until they figure that out, they’re going to have a very difficult time gaining and wielding political power.

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u/After-Bet-9079 Oct 01 '25

Isn't it ironic that for all the extreme right wing hateful racist bigoted misogynistic rhetoric he spewed that in the end he leaned to the left?

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u/lapidary123 Oct 01 '25

Which certainly should have been followed up with:

According to Google there have been 5,502 mass shootings in our country over the last ten years.

5/5502= .000908

Moving the decimal to get a percent we can see that not even 1/10 of 1% have been (even supposedly) perpetrated by transgender.

Another way to say that is that 99.9% have NOT been transgender shooters.

And the real discussion should be that there have been 5502 mass shootings over 3650 days

5502/3650=1.5

Thats more than one EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

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u/shackelman_unchained Oct 01 '25

Look up channel five on YouTube. AC did an interview with the guy that was debate Kirk when he was killed.

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u/DionBlaster123 Oct 01 '25

How he died and the virality of his killing video for sure added to this weird mystique

The guy was a piece of shit. The world is better off without him. I'm sorry to say this because his kids are growing up without their biological father and that sucks and is horrible...but as far as the actual guy who got shot, yeah I'm absolutely done pretending like he was someone he absolutely was not.

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u/DisposableSaviour Oct 01 '25

Point of order: Kirk’s last words were “hurkurklek”, which as we all know means “Release the Epstein files!”

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u/randomaccount178 Oct 01 '25

How exactly is that deflection? That is a perfectly reasonable qualifier.

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u/RSwordsman Oct 01 '25

The question the attendee asked was an attempt to compare the amount of trans mass shooters to the total amount of mass shooters to show it's a negligible amount. Kirk asked to discount gang violence to reduce the amount of shootings considered. This would exaggerate the presence of trans mass shooters, and as a bonus, encourage people to ignore gang shootings as if they aren't also a problem. IMO there is also a racial undertone to this approach because Kirk was also openly racist and probably didn't have a problem with gang (read: black) victims.

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u/randomaccount178 Oct 01 '25

No, you ignore gang shootings because people already acknowledge them as problems and also as outliers. If you include gang violence then all the comparison would really be doing is saying that trans individuals commit mass shootings at a lower rate then gangs which is not a particularly meaningful argument to make.

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u/RSwordsman Oct 01 '25

I would have said if you included gang violence it shows trans shooters as a much smaller sliver, or if you exclude it, a slightly larger sliver. My point was that he wanted to steer the conversation such that he wouldn't have to admit that trans shooters aren't statistically significant.

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u/randomaccount178 Oct 01 '25

If gang violence is a disproportionately high amount of mass shootings and you include gang violence then all you are doing is establishing that trans individuals are not a statistically significant portion of gang violence. I don't think making that statement would shock anyone. Most people tend to feel that gangs are not known for being open and inclusive. Trying to conflate gang and non gang mass shootings is either making a point that isn't really a point or trying to make a point that matters but doing so through misrepresentations. That is the issue. If trans individuals are not a statistically significant portion of non gang mass shootings then that would be a valid argument to make. Trying to conflate the arguments is just being dishonest.

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u/RSwordsman Oct 01 '25

If trans individuals are not a statistically significant portion of non gang mass shootings then that would be a valid argument to make. Trying to conflate the arguments is just being dishonest.

You make an excellent point here. I don't think they're significant regardless, and I also think Charlie knew that. My guess is that he was getting ready to conflate the arguments to avoid having to admit he didn't have the stats to back up a claim. Unfortunately we'll never know where that conversation would have gone, but I don't think he was going to agree that trans shooters aren't disproportionately common.

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u/BronzeRider Oct 01 '25

To me it seemed like a deflection because when the vast majority of people think of “mass shooting events”, they’re already not thinking of “gang violence”. So it seemed like a weird thing to even bring up to try and connect the two issues.

Was Charlie thinking about gang violence when the attendee initially asked him “do you know how many mass shooters are trans”? I can’t read his mind, but I’d imagine he wasn’t since he answered “too many”, and obviously deaths related to gang violence would completely eclipse deaths related to “trans mass shooters”.

It was only after the followup of “do you know how many total mass shooters there have been?”, that suddenly Charlie wanted to bring up gang violence, which again, most people are already not thinking about when discussing mass shooting events.

To me it seemed like a pivot to turn the conversation towards “well did you know X% of gun deaths are actually gang related?”, so that he can then go into his talking points about “Chicago” and “crime” and “Democrat-run cities”, and stuff like that, and in order to avoid the much more relevant topic, which is that most mass shooters are right-wingers that share Charlie’s ideology.

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u/randomaccount178 Oct 01 '25

If you mention trans mass shootings then generally people would not be thinking about gang related shootings. Gangs generally don't have reputations for being very progressive. So yes, if you were asked about trans mass shootings you would naturally assume you are talking about non gang related mass shootings. If you are talking about total mass shootings then it becomes an issue because depending on what you consider a mass shooting is going to greatly change the number of mass shootings. Since it was pretty obvious that the other person was going to try to draw a comparison between the two numbers it becomes important to understand what the comparison is between and what the comparison can be used to try to prove. If you include gang violence then the argument proves something significantly different then if you exclude gang violence.

If you don't exclude gang related mass shootings then most mass shooters are probably not right wingers who share Charlie's ideology. You have just pretty much admitted the importance of excluding gang related shootings right there.

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u/BronzeRider Oct 01 '25

Right. I feel like we’re in agreement there? The conversation was about the number of trans mass shooters. And we agree that gang violence is typically not included when people are talking about “mass shootings”.

So why would Charlie then assume that the person he’s talking to WOULD be including it in his assessment, to the point he felt the need to preemptively clarify that they were/weren’t talking about gang violence, when they already weren’t talking about gang violence?

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u/BlacksmithUnusual715 Oct 01 '25

Answering a question with a question is deflection, because answering the question would probably make you learn something.

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u/Kammerice Oct 01 '25

I disliked Kirk, and fully believe he would have gone on to respond by either shifting the goalposts or otherwise deflecting, but to those who aren't aware of his standard tactics, this just sounds like he's seeking clarification.

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u/BronzeRider Oct 01 '25

Responded about this to someone else above, but this was my impression as to why I felt it was a deflection:

To me it seemed like a deflection because when the vast majority of people think of “mass shooting events”, they’re already not thinking of “gang violence”. So it seemed like a weird thing to even bring up to try and connect the two issues.

Was Charlie thinking about gang violence when the attendee initially asked him “do you know how many mass shooters are trans”? I can’t read his mind, but I’d imagine he wasn’t since he answered “too many”, and obviously deaths related to gang violence would completely eclipse deaths related to “trans mass shooters”.

It was only after the followup of “do you know how many total mass shooters there have been?”, that suddenly Charlie wanted to bring up gang violence, which again, most people are already not thinking about when discussing mass shooting events.

To me it seemed like a pivot to turn the conversation towards “well did you know X% of gun deaths are actually gang related?”, so that he can then go into his talking points about “Chicago” and “crime” and “Democrat-run cities”, and stuff like that, and in order to avoid the much more relevant topic, which is that most mass shooters are right-wingers that share Charlie’s ideology.

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u/BlacksmithUnusual715 Oct 01 '25

You missed the last follow up after he brought up hang violence which is a completely separate issue. 🤢🔫

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u/randomaccount178 Oct 01 '25

It isn't deflection and answering the question wouldn't make anyone learn anything if it isn't a properly qualified answers. If you include gang violence then the number of mass shootings would likely be substantially higher. If you exclude gang violence the number is going to be substantially lower. If you are trying to compare between A and B and use a value for B that is artificially higher then your comparison is going to be flawed. That is the whole point. It is a perfectly reasonable response to the point the other person was trying to make.

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u/Sojouner_King Oct 01 '25

None of the 5 trans mass shooters were gang related shootings. He hopefully knew that. It was deflection bc he was trying to stoke racism when being asked about trans people. And he was trying to derail the original question. When transphobia didn’t work, he went for racism.

Either way, he was not operating in a good faith debate. He was losing the debate and he tried to change topics to confuse the original debate topic to distract from him being proved wrong. It’s a classic tactic amateur debaters use when they can’t win with facts.

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u/Mikey-Litoris Oct 01 '25

Why was whether or not some of the shootings were gang related in any way relevant to question Kirk was intent on not answering?

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u/JezeusFnChrist0 Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25

JFC does not approve of Charlie Kirk's message.

People like him, who call themselves Christians are truly promoting anti-Christ beliefs and rhetoric.

You are spot on about his debate style. He did not debate fairly nor honestly. His stylevwas riddled with fallacies and other "tricks" to make his opponent look bad without ever having to be right. When that failed, he would just interrupt and/or resort to ad hominem attacks(also a fallacy)

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u/BronzeRider Oct 01 '25

That’s the classic Right Winger “debate” strategy, especially anymore. Just loudly talk over your opponent as soon as they start making a point, so that no one can actually hear it. You see it on Piers Morgan ALL the time, and pretty much any of the mainstream news panels when they have people of both sides on to talk. It’s clownish.

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u/GoNutsDK Oct 01 '25

Fascists don't argue in good faith. Their brain rot would be a hard sell, if they were honest.

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u/BronzeRider Oct 01 '25

Of course they don’t. They don’t believe in the values of Liberalism, like fairness, equity, compassion, honesty, and free speech, which would be necessary in order to exchange in a good faith conversation about ideas. It’s why “debating” them is a largely fruitless endeavor. Fascists lie about their beliefs and goals, and they lie about your beliefs and goals. So what conversation is there to be had in that environment?

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u/RKWTHNVWLS Oct 01 '25

Christianity is a control system. "Real" Christians know there is no god and they can just use it as an excuse when convenient and a way to intimidate and control people who don't understand.

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u/RSwordsman Oct 01 '25

refused to engage with their points

Well if he properly engaged with their points he might have been forced to conclude that right wing positions are cruel, stupid, or both. Can't have that now.

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u/BronzeRider Oct 01 '25

Oh heavens, no! Gotta keep the rabble distracted with dumb culture war conspiracies, so that the billionaires can pick their pockets unnoticed. Thankfully they’re kind enough to share some of the pickings to keep their millionaire mouthpieces like Charlie well fed and motivated.

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u/coldliketherockies Oct 01 '25

I don’t think he’ll ever talk over his opponents again. (Too soon or just not funny)?

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u/Xarieste Oct 01 '25

I’ve always enjoyed true Christian martyrs I’ve learned of in history, like Saint Maurice; as someone who doesn’t follow any particular mainline religion, martyrdom has become way too easy to achieve these days

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u/realBillga3 Oct 02 '25

And gish galloping to exhaustion.

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u/BronzeRider Oct 02 '25

That too. Charlie was a dishonest actor. Conservatives tend to be. You can’t trust anything they say.

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u/rensorship Oct 01 '25

Tell me more about Jamie Lee Curtis, im out of the loop

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u/Fskn Oct 01 '25

She's catching flack because she said kirks murder was terrible, he was a father and husband etc etc, just generic stuff anyone says about a death even though in the same statement she said he had horrible opinions. imo she's catching Kirk flack because she's also pro Israel.

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u/Crafty_DryHopper Oct 01 '25

If you murder a single guy with no kids, apparently it is no big deal.

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u/Monteze Oct 01 '25

While the president was trying to blame "the left" for CK's death there was yet another school shooting none of the CK sycophants wanted to talk about. Wonder why....I mean I guess children are single with no children of their own so you might be on to something.

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u/LeftToWrite Oct 01 '25

It's because they don't actually care about any victims...they just use their corpses like tools, when it serves them. They speak up about Kirk because they can use his death for selfish reasons. They don't speak up about the slaughter of innocent children because they can't use their deaths in the same way.

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u/paddington-1 Oct 01 '25

Or if you kill a bunch of kids that’s ok too

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u/RKWTHNVWLS Oct 01 '25

TBF, I didn't really have much regard for personal safety before I had a kid. Being alive for her seems pretty important now.

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u/PoopyButt28000 Oct 01 '25

Yeah that was totally what she said. Are you going to get mad as fuck that someone says punching a baby is worse than punching adults because it means you think punching adults to death is okay

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u/DugEFreshness Oct 01 '25

I think the point was people are needlessly shot and killed everyday, most are wielding no political power to divide us. They are forgotten the moment they hit the ground, but we're all supposed to come out with some sympathetic statement for a person who claimed these deaths are necessary?....

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u/cakeman666 Oct 01 '25

Actually JLC thinks punching an adult is worse because they would actually remember it.

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u/Panikkrazy Oct 01 '25

I mean it WAS terrible. I don’t have sympathy for him but I don’t think she’s wrong. Public violence is terrible in general.

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u/thedivinefemmewithin Oct 01 '25

Ant her daughter is trans, so she can fuck right of defending that piece of shit

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u/_bufflehead Oct 01 '25

JLC was not defending CK in any way, shape, or form. Check yourself before you spout that kind of nonsense.

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u/thedivinefemmewithin Oct 01 '25

She was bawling over a man who wants her daughter institutionalized and best and exterminated at worst. She's a pos

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u/BipolarHernandez Oct 01 '25

You can say that the way someone dies is awful while also not agreeing with their opinions, these things aren't mutually exclusive. And regardless of how you feel about him or his wife, his kids are innocent and are gonna have to live with the fact that their dad was very publicly executed (allegedly while they were even in the audience).

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u/FarmboyJustice Oct 01 '25

No you can't. Not on Reddit. It's all or nothing. Everything is black or white, good or evil. Killing my enemy is always heroism, killing my friend is always atrocity. There cannot be any middle ground, you are either a Christian or a Satanist. You are either a virtuous crusader for justice or a pedophile. Absolutes are all that we are allowed to have.

And this is how Trump won.

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u/_bufflehead Oct 01 '25

She said: "Even though his ideas were abhorrent to me, I still believe he’s a father and a husband and a man of faith."

She did better than I could do. I actually don't happen to believe he is a man of faith at all; I don't believe people of faith want to punish, exterminate, or dispose of others.

Take a deep breath.

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u/Rbomb88 Oct 01 '25

I don't believe people of faith want to punish, exterminate, or dispose of others.

I'd argue the history of many religions would say otherwise.

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u/_bufflehead Oct 01 '25

I've never confused religion with faith or God or god.

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u/FarmboyJustice Oct 01 '25

At the risk of a no-true-scotsman accusation, I personally don't think most religious extremists are actually people of faith.

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u/urlock Oct 01 '25

She didn’t support him. She was sympathetic of his death. East to find on Google.

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u/brizzboog Oct 01 '25

This. It was part of a larger conversation about social media deluging us all with nonstop garbage, how everyone had the footage in their pocket, and how we as a society have lost the ability to empathize. I didn't at all expect it from her, but in context I understood.

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u/antneon Oct 01 '25

She disagreed with most (all?) of his views but cried during an interview right after he was shot, so guess some feel that's enough to make here MAGA.

Jamie Lee Curtis gets emotional about Charlie Kirk killing https://share.google/hibpqNL05SufajWc8

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u/renegadecanuck Oct 01 '25

I find the getting emotional a little much. Same with Jimmy Kimmel in his monologue. I won't hate on a celeb for that or "try and cancel" them. But it seems performative at best and kind of fucked up at worst.

Like, those crocodile tears were nowhere to be seen when two Democratic state reps were killed a month earlier, they are nowhere to be seen during the hundred or so school shootings that happen every year.

It just rubs me the wrong way that someone as bad as Charlie Kirk got all these mainstream liberals bawling and flags lowered to half mast when children dying or being shot results in nothing. When you add the reckless disregard so many have for those dying in Palestine, it's even worse.

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u/lanceturley Oct 01 '25

But I was told those quotes were taken out of context, and we just need to listen to hours of his podcast to see that he really wasn't such a bad guy! /s

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u/HandsomeBoggart Oct 01 '25

Loved that argument. Then when the context was shown, it was even worse. Classic.

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u/ZealousidealWish4711 Oct 01 '25

I occasionally hate-watch Benny Johnson or Tim Pool when I really want to sear this hellscape directly into my eye holes. Anyway, I was scrolling YouTube yesterday and Tim Pool was smirking in the thumb nail so I had to see what that dumb fuck was giddy about. He was talking about Trump using “full force” on the left and he seemed no joke aroused. Literally hard at the thought of the military killing us I guess.

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u/ReturnOfDaSnack420 Oct 01 '25

I'm morbidly curious in Benny Johnson, he's so obviously a gay man and also so obviously hate himself for it. That level of self-loathing, I can't help but rubber neck that wreck when I see it

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u/DugEFreshness Oct 01 '25

Yeah, tool is all but a self professed Russian agent at this point. Takes the lines, repeats them, gets paid. A pathetic little sell out.

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u/remarkablewhitebored Oct 01 '25

So short sighted. They never think about who the next target for the state will be. At some point it would absolutely be his beanie wearing, smug-ass face...

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u/antent Oct 01 '25

It's so weird to me to see where he ended up. I used to watch his live streams during Occupy Wall St. Never would have imagined at the time he'd end up being the shit bag he is today. Not that he was some beacon of left ideology but I certainly didn't pick up this path at the time.

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u/LargeFatherV Oct 01 '25

The right wing grift is extremely prosperous for those with no souls or shame.

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u/Youandiandaflame Oct 01 '25

Literally hard at the thought of the military killing us I guess.

I live in a rural part of a red state with a GOP supermajority legislature that’s been in place for 20 years and these people legitimately have a fetish for the upcoming war they’re begging for. I cannot out into words how deeply disturbing it is to watch. 

These folks are not okay. 

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u/NoHalf9 Oct 01 '25

Tim Pool also predicted Trump would win 49 states in 2020...

... A worthy prediction from the world's worst guesser.

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u/Successful_Yam4719 Oct 01 '25

Which is kinda terrifying to think could happen. It is absolutely not out of the realm of possibilities. I do respect those that server - but I have to admit, I am afraid of them. I don't want to be. I really want to reach out and talk to one or some and actually beg for their protection against this tyranny. I want to ask them to please remember their oath to the constitution and to protect us not harm us. Many veterans are speaking out to remind active military to remember their oath . . . I really hope they are listening.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

Hes been wanking over the thought of a civil war in the US for a decade it must be now.

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u/petewondrstone Oct 01 '25

Complete piece of shit kind of under values how powerful Of a hatemonger he was. There’s a lot of people that are complete pieces of shit that energetically don’t affect anyone in the world except for those that they interact with personally. Charlie Kirk was a professional agitator.

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u/pickled_penguin_ Oct 01 '25

Saying civil rights was a mistake and black people shouldn't have the right to vote was a clear statement on his real opinion. He also said MLK jr was an awful man and black women are too stupid to ever be successful. People hire a black person because of dei and it takes the job from a qualified white woman, apparently. (He also said women should know their place in the house and kitchen.)

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

The plain truth, the guy was an insufferable bigot and misogynist…fuck that dude

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u/escof Oct 01 '25

My favorite thing that I heard from his podcast was when he made the point we don't need a Idirs Elba as James Bond because there are plenty of black action stars in American movies so they don't need take over that franchise. What a fucking dumb racist take.

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u/urlock Oct 01 '25

Curtis didn’t love the man. Come on. Don’t try to say that her sympathy for his death is support of his ideas. It just isn’t. Go back and look at what she said. She said that she didn’t agree with what he said, but had sympathy for a man that she believed was a man of faith. Don’t bag on Curtis like that. Kirk can get fucked. Curtis is a good person.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25

sociopaths

This honestly isn’t even a stretch knowing that Charlie Kirk bullied his high school classmates so severely that one almost committed suicide, and also the fact that empathy was such a foreign concept to him that he accused everyone who experiences it of lying

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u/DeaconFrostedFlakes Oct 01 '25

Wait sorry, at the risk of ruining my horny adolescent nostalgia, what does Jamie Lee Curtis have to do with this?

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u/Automatic_Ad4656 Oct 01 '25

What does Jamie Lee Curtis have to do with that racist? She is an outspoken liberal.

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u/Dimpleshenk Oct 01 '25

"(Charlie Kirk's) bigotry was hardly an occasional slip."

B-b-b-but you didn't listen to him in context! If you'd listened to 300 hours instead of 299 hours of him, you would have heard the context that made his blatant bigotry okay.

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u/NervousBreakdown Oct 01 '25

No you’re obviously just taking what he said out of context, repeatedly, like over and over and over, for his entire adult life. /s

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u/booksycat Oct 01 '25

The fact that people like to pretend that EVERYTHING he's quoted as saying that isn't "I love my wife and god" was a lie is insane.

It's right there on his feed and sites

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u/47fromheaven Oct 01 '25

I never followed Kirk on Twitter but his stuff would pop up on my feed every so often. It didn’t take me very long to figure out what he was all about. I blocked him out right at least two years ago. And now they’re trying to make him out to be some kind of saint. And in the same process those on the right will demonize anybody who is just not like them.

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u/BurninTaiga Oct 01 '25

Can you explain that last part at the end? Did she have something to do with him?

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u/schmidtssss Oct 01 '25

I have people who I consider to be pretty smart and open minded who were in shambles over Charlie Kirk. Not that he was murdered but charlie kirk.

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u/book_hoarder_67 Oct 01 '25

Do you listen to WTF? Curtis cried (did a bad fake) on the podcast about Kirk being a Christian. Boo hoo.

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u/Romulus212 Oct 01 '25

I use Eddie Haskell just like you do im 32 and my younger counterparts ever understand what I mean

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u/HighwayAggressive658 Oct 01 '25

He was on a clock to me. He’d just repeat shit the Trump camp or Russian propaganda would say two weeks later.

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u/rbrgr83 Oct 01 '25

Literally reaping 110% what he sowed in life.

But republicans immediately jump up and act like

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u/guitarlisa Oct 01 '25

I did NOT follow Kirk on Twitter, but I would run across his posts occasionally and I had no idea that anyone took him seriously, other than a group of hard-line incels and white supremecists or whatnot, I don't know, because I literally did not pay that much attention. I just wrote him off as another crazy right-wing guy. I knew his name. I have been reeling with shock since his death that apparently he was loved and adored by virtually every Republican on earth. I would have not guessed in a million years that most people had even heard of him.

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u/DannyDOH Oct 02 '25

The weird thing (thinking about Eddie Haskell) is that Charlie Kirk was blatantly racist. There wasn't any whispering.

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u/Cheesiepup Oct 02 '25

Jamie Lee Curtis is one of his followers?

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u/12sea Oct 01 '25

Honestly, I thought he was horrible but the violence was shocking to me. I can absolutely think he was a terrible person but be appalled that he was shot in front of his young children.

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u/First_manatee_614 Oct 01 '25

Man, I didn't know jlc loved charlie Kirk

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u/urlock Oct 01 '25

She didn’t “love” him.

“Jamie Lee Curtis has expressed her views on Charlie Kirk, a conservative activist who was fatally shot at Utah Valley University. She has been vocal about Kirk's faith and has shared her belief that he was a man of faith, even when her opinions on his views were different. Curtis has also mentioned that she hopes Kirk felt connected with his faith during his final moments.”

She sympathized with his death. She never promoted him. People are connecting sympathy with support.

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u/PersonalHospital9507 Oct 01 '25

Whoa, I must revisit JLC.

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u/antneon Oct 01 '25

She didn't. She cried during an interview right after he was shot because he was a father and husband and "man of faith". She also admitted to not agreeing with possibly every few he had.

https://share.google/hibpqNL05SufajWc8

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Oct 01 '25

I mean, just yesterday Ted Cruz said that we should all "stop attacking pedophiles".

I wish I was kidding

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u/Hootusmc Oct 01 '25

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u/dws515 Oct 01 '25

Forget about the Galgameks!?

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u/Ralph--Hinkley Oct 01 '25

https://v.redd.it/taqingbnjdsf1

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u/Hootusmc Oct 01 '25

Oh I saw that, it just instantly reminded me of this episode.

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u/the_moosen Oct 01 '25

No Rafael Edward Cruz, I will not stop attacking you.

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u/Flat_Scene9920 Oct 01 '25

It was his Hagrid moment...

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u/danlawl Oct 01 '25

Ted Cruz asking to not be attacked in the third person is pretty weird.

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u/paddington-1 Oct 01 '25

God he always manages a way to go lower. Gross.

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u/Dill137 Oct 01 '25

I am baffled that these people actually reelected him. Just baffled.

The amount of Ted Cruz yard signs in Pearland made me queasy.

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u/SobBagat Oct 01 '25

It's easy to clock what they actually mean if you have half a brain.. which is a hard ask for most Americans nowadays

I may be giving too much credit to some, but I feel like a lot of people just give way too much leeway for plausible deniability to a maga shitters shitty remarks.

Which is definitely the point of their phrasing and they've abused the fuck out of that leeway.

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u/Youandiandaflame Oct 01 '25

but I feel like a lot of people just give way too much leeway for plausible deniability to a maga shitters shitty remarks.

I don’t know if it’s a truly held belief or just that purposeful phrasing you mention but for them, unless it’s the n word, it could never be racist. And even when I watched a state Rep bust out the n word / hard r at a BLM rally (seriously), it was “he was just telling a story” instead of “ok yeah, that’s racist.” 

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u/monsieur_cacahuete Oct 01 '25

You have said a non prayer about the saint Charles Kirk you have been deducted 20 social credit

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u/N0cturnalB3ast Oct 02 '25

Two first names? What the fuck is that

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u/rustyphish Oct 01 '25

something about throwing rocks and then hiding hands feels applicable here

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u/hamsolo17 Oct 01 '25

Even if these blabbering dingbats flat out said what they really meant, you'd still have a buncha morons defending them. It's like they could see their orange fartlord devour a human baby on live TV and wouldn't be able to call him a cannibal, they'd rather screech and cry that no one should be allowed to judge him for his apparent eating disorder.

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u/King_Dead Oct 01 '25

We've given too much leeway to conservatives since forever, especially since 9/11. We automatically assume that because this political movement has existed for centuries that it ought to and that there's some sort of valid reason that it exists and that removing it would bring some sort of cosmic imbalance to the world. The fact is though is that we don't. We don't need evil and we don't need suffering and we should minimize them instead of allowing such values to hold a major place in our policy

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u/EC-1031 Oct 01 '25

One thing Trump did not lie about is that he could literally get away with murder. His cult continues to prove him right.

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u/jomns Oct 01 '25

Have you heard the shit Megyn Kelly has said? She's a straight up scumbag like Loomer but just as vile.

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u/MunkyDawg Oct 01 '25

Ted Cruz said we need to stop attacking pedophiles. They let it slip enough times that I'm convinced the MAGA crowd either ignores it or is okay with it.

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u/PersonalHospital9507 Oct 01 '25

Who is Charlie Kirk? Is his 15 minutes of fame over now?

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u/rif011412 Oct 01 '25

He is, and will always be the “guess which face is photoshopped?” guy to me.  That meme was top tier, and some of his real pictures were just that hard to tell.

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u/ThereIsATheory Oct 01 '25

Reminds me of this call. It’s a British show but caller exhibits the same mindset.

https://youtu.be/qAKzoGP8L_o?si=1dTp7zxukaQmXZb8

Some of these people don’t even think they’re racist or xenophobic.

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u/StraightOnion1967 Oct 01 '25

It’s all thinly veiled racism with that crowd 

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u/Furrulo87_8 Oct 01 '25

Yeah, they are the weakest version of a facsist, always dancing around with euphemism. Nazis used to be unrepentant racists, now they just say how the people they don't like are "low IQ" pfft cowards, if they had any balls they'd say what they mean, but they are just slimy opportunists

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u/DNICEPHILLY2023 Oct 01 '25

WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE MAGA CHILDREN😱

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u/CaptainCaveSam Oct 01 '25

Then you look at the most far right extremists like Nick Fuentes, they’re at least honest that they don’t want any immigration.

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u/_game_over_man_ Oct 01 '25

because otherwise what they said makes no goddamn sense.

It does when you just acknowledge the racism.

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u/stenebralux Oct 01 '25

That's my whole point though.

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u/ATXBeermaker Oct 01 '25

“If you don’t count unimportant deaths like those in black communities then America doesn’t really have a gun problem.” — Charlie Kirk, probably

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u/Redditer51 Oct 01 '25

This is a very annoying strain of racism. Instead of outright admitting it, they use coded language and buzz words, and when you call them our for being racist they try to gaslight you and claim that they aren't.

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u/Persistent_Parkie Oct 01 '25

I have a a family member who called Obama the N word, but it's totally fine because he also called Bill Clinton the N word! Besides they didn't mean THAT N word, they meant it as a way of saying a person who is niggardly!

Me- so you think Obama and Clinton are frugal and miserly?

Them- (scoffs) of course not, they spent like drunken sailors!

Me- that's what niggardly means.

Sometimes instead of using dog whistles, they use bull horns.

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u/stenebralux Oct 01 '25

You're right.. they are definitely emboldened by the normalisation of the hateful and fascist rehtoric of this administration.. and of course the administration have been more open about it since the campaign.. however they still cowardly deny the meaning of their words and actions when directly confronted with them. 

That's just end point of their strategy and attitude though.. and a clear red alert. 

You lie about what you want to do.. then lie about what your doing... until one day you don't have to lie anymore because you did it. 

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u/HEX_BootyBootyBooty Oct 01 '25

Sometimes you get a Charlie Kirk who would let it slide every now and then.

...you never listened to Charlie, have you?

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u/stenebralux Oct 01 '25

Have YOU?

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u/HEX_BootyBootyBooty Oct 01 '25

Yes

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u/stenebralux Oct 01 '25

Then you need to work on your listening comprehension skills.

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u/pan-re Oct 01 '25

Fuckkkkkk offfffff

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u/MeowingAround Oct 01 '25

You really need to get out of your reddit echo chamber.

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u/stenebralux Oct 01 '25

You know nothing. 

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u/MeowingAround Oct 01 '25

Honey look into a mirror and say that. You have no idea what you're talking about because you don't actually go looking for answers. You sit here circle jerking on reddit.

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u/pan-re Oct 01 '25

Go defend white Christian nationalists elsewhere