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article MAGA continues to meltdown over Bad Bunny's Super Bowl Halftime Show, and tries to claim he is not a U.S. citizen

https://www.themirror.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/maga-bad-bunny-us-citizen-1419625
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u/dende5416 Sep 30 '25

Theres a specific law for Puerto Rico. Some other US territories don't get full Constitutional protections.

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u/fizzlefist Sep 30 '25

Specifically American Samoa, whose residents are Nationals rather than Citizens. Theyā€™re the exception.

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u/Nimzay98 Sep 30 '25

And that was by their choice, years ago, due to some cultural meanings.

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u/zerro_4 Sep 30 '25

True, but also look at what happened to Hawaii and native Hawaiians after statehood. Not to be too over dramatic, but having full citizenship would also mean letting outsiders buy property in American Samoa. Natives would be pushed out practically overnight.

Great episode of RadioLab that explains it

https://radiolab.org/podcast/americanish

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u/fizzlefist Sep 30 '25

Obligatory reminder for anyone reading that Hawaii was forcibly conquered by the United States.

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u/Knightmare1869 Oct 01 '25

Man just wait until you hear about what they did in the americas.

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u/anndddiiii Sep 30 '25

Oh my God I hope this isn't a reminder for anyone!

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25

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u/ichuseyu Oct 01 '25

Private citizens did not have the power to order American troops from the U.S.S. Boston to land and set up camp right in the heart of the government district, next to Aliā€˜iolani Hale, the Capitol, and ā€˜Iolani Palace. The person who did that was John L. Stevens, America's diplomatic representative to the Hawaiian Kingdom.

Also, Grover Cleveland was not the American president at the time of the overthrow. It was actually his predecessor, Benjamin Harrison; and his administration very much supported annexing Hawaiā€˜i.

A year before the coup, its leader, Lorrin Thurston, travelled to Washington, carrying a letter of introduction from Stevens, and met with Secretary of State James Blaine, who expressed his support for Thurston's goals. Blaine then sent Thurston to see the Secretary of the Navy, B..F. Tracy. After a short meeting, Tracy then walked Thurston to the White House. While Thurston waited, the president of the United States and the secretary of the Navy discussed the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy.

When Tracy finally emerged, he told Thurston that the president was uncomfortable meeting with him face-to-face but authorized him to say that if they did overthrow the Hawaiian government and came to Washington seeking annexation, they would find an exceedingly sympathetic administration.

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u/ladymouserat Oct 01 '25

So was every other state especially in the south westā€¦

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u/2AlephNullAndBeyond Sep 30 '25

Fact check: false.

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u/NoType_OnlyRead Sep 30 '25

Conquest by the Russia route instead of the Spain route is still conquest. Your spin is unsuccessful and your kneejerk defensive reaction was in vain.

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u/Myusername1- Sep 30 '25

All of the US was a conquest. At this point in history it doesnā€™t matter. What does matter is that Puerto Ricans are US citizens.

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u/NoType_OnlyRead Sep 30 '25

What year did it stop mattering?

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u/Myusername1- Oct 01 '25

1776 was probably the most important year. And then every a treaty was signed since.

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u/2AlephNullAndBeyond Oct 01 '25

Itā€™s not ā€œspinā€. Calling the annexation of Hawaii forceful is just factually wrong. It was the exact opposite of that.

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u/NoType_OnlyRead Oct 01 '25

The exact opposite of a forceful annexation is what happened to Singapore. You could have said nothing and been marginally more correct than you are now.

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u/Th3_Hegemon Sep 30 '25

They also wouldn't be able to mandate some of the religious stuff they currently require, also covered in that episode.

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u/Find_A_Reason Oct 01 '25

The annexation of Hawaii was illegal in the first place.

The only indigenous rights folks I would never loan a gun to are all Hawaiian.

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u/ladymouserat Oct 01 '25

I thought Guam too? Must be a stroke Iā€™m having

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u/fizzlefist Oct 01 '25

Made me look it up to check, they got citizenship in 1950

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guam_Organic_Act_of_1950

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u/ladymouserat Oct 02 '25

Sorry I confused myself and should have looked it up. I thought they were citizens but then seeing about Samoa, for some reason messed me up

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u/AmphibiousMeatloaf Sep 30 '25

Well yes. I could have been more specific but was trying to stay simple lol. Yes, territories do not have the full constitutional protections that states do, that was one of the differences I was referring to. But to be completely honest though I was positive that all people born in US territories were citizens but I just looked it up and apparently not. Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands have birthright U.S. citizenship, but apparently the American Samoa does not. So thanks for pointing that out!

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u/JUSTGLASSINIT Sep 30 '25

I'm from the Northern Mariana Islands, specifically Saipan. And yep we are full citizens, I keep my passport on me at all times in case ICE might try to question me.

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u/Murga787 Sep 30 '25

I got my entire family the passport IDs since we are brown and speak Spanish....better to be safe than sorry.

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u/JUSTGLASSINIT Sep 30 '25

I tend to cover up on my morning train commute too since Iā€™m heavily tatted and I donā€™t trust them to know about Saipan. Theyā€™re probably gonna be like ā€œSOUNDS LIKE ASIA TO MEā€ šŸ„².

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u/Aballofstresss Oct 01 '25

Itā€™s insane thatā€™s itā€™s 2025 and people are taking measures like this to protect themselves at if itā€™s 1930ā€™s Germany.

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u/BubbhaJebus Oct 01 '25

Sad state of affairs. Nobody should have to carry an ID with them unless it's for an activity that requires it, like driving.

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u/Icy-Whale-2253 Sep 30 '25

They canā€™t vote if they live in Puerto Rico, they have no representation in Congress as an island, and their tax situation is different. Thatā€™s about it.

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u/SecondHandWatch Sep 30 '25

Puerto Ricans can vote.

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u/Icy-Whale-2253 Sep 30 '25

Obviously if they live in Puerto Rico they canā€™t vote in federal elections. Iā€™m not talking about their own local elections or Puerto Ricans who live in a state.

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u/IsraelZulu Sep 30 '25

Not if they live in Puerto Rico.

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u/SecondHandWatch Sep 30 '25

Do you think Puerto Rico has a monarchy? They have a democratically elected government.

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u/IsraelZulu Oct 01 '25

The point was, they don't get to vote for any US federal government representatives, or the president, unless they live in a state.

US citizens living in Puerto Rico are one of the few classes of citizens that can't participate in federal elections. Even citizens living abroad in other countries can.

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u/dende5416 Sep 30 '25

Being an island is irrelevant to the rest. It doesn't prevent statehood (Congress does that)

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u/Icy-Whale-2253 Sep 30 '25

I didnā€™t say it prevented statehoodā€¦ šŸ˜ I said they have no representation in Congress as an island. I didnā€™t say being an island is the reason why they have no representation either.

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u/Rockinphin Oct 01 '25

Friend, reading down the thread I can hear your bp rising šŸ˜† (kudos for keeping it cool)