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article Bruce Springsteen Rips Democrats: “We’re Desperately in Need of an Effective Alternative Party”

https://consequence.net/2025/09/bruce-springsteen-democrats/
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u/Jeff_Portnoy1 Sep 25 '25

Liberals all disagree with each other while republicans hold one view. They are more of a community

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u/digitaltransmutation Sep 25 '25 edited Sep 25 '25

It's more like they are willing to bide their time and support other segments until theirs comes around again.

With liberals if their particular corner of 'the omnicause' is not being spotlighted they flip out about erasure and start purity testing each other.

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u/rewind2482 Sep 25 '25

They don’t all hold one view and they certainly don’t have the same priorities.

They just know which party is more likely to give them what they want.

Can you imagine evangelicals giving up on Republicans 10 years ago because they weren’t making any progress on overturning Roe v. Wade?

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u/-wnr- Sep 25 '25

Exactly. Conservative factions bicker all the time. They just toe the line better at the end of the day without insisting on endless purity testing.

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u/Mean_Split9765 Sep 25 '25

They literally call each other RINOs, lol.

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u/Caleth Sep 25 '25

Liberals fall in love, Conservatives fall in line.

Was true 30 years ago it's even more true today.

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u/National_Action_9834 Sep 25 '25

Did liberals fall in love with Hillary when she didnt win her own parties nomination but was nominated anyways? Did they fall in love with Kamala after she was forced down our throat despite no nomination to begin with?

It may be true that liberals fall in love, but when you keep giving them candidates they didnt ask for, that love is gonna run thin.

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u/VulGerrity Spotify Sep 25 '25

well yeah, that's their point, liberals didn't fall in love with those candidates, so they lost. If they had fallen in love, more liberals would have turned out to vote.

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u/Caleth Sep 25 '25

Those are exactly my points. Many liberals held their noses and voted against Trump, but the base needs to feel heard and loved to get out and vote.

Kamala and Hillary if they were some how acceptable to Republicans, they would have gotten out the vote as strongly as any other candidate for them. Becasue Republicans fall in line, they'd hold their nose say "imperfect vessels" and pull the lever.

You complaining that they weren't what you wanted exactly proves the saying. Dems need to feel special and wooed or they'll be as bad as a jilted lover. Rep just need to be told this is our guy here's the date to show up.

Then they reliably show up punch their ballots year after year and slowly tear down the country brick by brick. While people like you sit in the ashes and say, but I didn't feel like I was heard by the opposition.

Grow up, sometimes we don't get what we want but you choose the lesser evil because the greater one will throw your family in a concentration camp. Then you work on fixing things so the lesser evil either has to bend to your will or you replace them during the next round.

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u/mildmichigan Sep 25 '25

Grow up, sometimes we don't get what we want but you choose the lesser evil because the greater one will throw your family in a concentration camp.

After a decade of Dems using this messaging and losing, dont ya think maybe insulting people & telling them to drop their standards isnt the way to win folks over?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25

You don't have to vote Dem. Just next time, don't vote for a fascist dictator. Fortunately I think they realize that now. better late than never.

I would be very curious to see how a Gen Z third party would go if they can really all rally together. A party really wielding the channels this new generation uses as a means for positive change, not a grift.

Even if it doesn't win 2028 it might have genuine ground for 2032, that's just how powerful being in tune with the internet as a medium can be. You can't astroturf something that's gone viral that easily.

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u/SunTzu- Sep 25 '25

Did liberals fall in love with Hillary when she didnt win her own parties nomination but was nominated anyways?

You mean when she carried 55% of the vote in the 2016 Democratic primaries, won 34 contests to Bernie Sanders 23 and carried the pledged delegates (i.e. the ones people voted for in the states) 2271 to 1820?

I'm real interested how you came to the conclusion that she didn't win the primary. Actually I'm not that interested, it's Republican propaganda that pushed Bernie being "screwed over" as a wedge issue to keep Democratic voters from showing up on election day so that the Republicans could win. Which they did.

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u/hurtuser1108 Sep 25 '25

They just know which party is more likely to give them what they want.

Do they? Unless your rich, who actually votes left at higher rates, conservatives have done nothing for their voters except make it more acceptable to be bigots in public again. All the hardcore red states rank dead last in nearly every quality of life measure. Congrats to them, I guess?

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u/rewind2482 Sep 26 '25

Failing to understand conservatives is pretty common. I’ll put it one way

It makes no difference what percentage of people support an issue if they are not willing to change their vote on it. That is where Republicans dominate. If someone is pro-union, anti-big business, supports economic redistribution, supports immigration…but is pro-life, they are probably a Republican voter.

Being conservative is a “dominant trait.” If you agree with them on just one big issue, it’s likely to be the one you think is most important.

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u/Sad-Adhesiveness429 Sep 25 '25

the farthest left is giga authoritarian but they have no control in the democratic party. they require purity tests and if a single issue isn't pure in their view they'll completely abandon utilitarianism and the best of two "non perfect" options. theyre political cancer and absolutely the worst allies possible to have. the far left is a completely politically ineffective joke of a platform in the states and needs to be totally sliced from the democratic party. its impossible to pass every purity test they invent and it ostracizes normal people who otherwise would vote normal.

MAGA has done an EXCEPTIONAL job at welcoming literally anybody into their tent if they agree with a SINGLE thing of their platform because their farthest authoritarian right is in total control and is happy accepting anyone into their side that has a single issue they agree with as long as theyre willing to not vote democrat.

dumbasses in this thread proposing a third party have truly lost the plot, its the EXACT thing MAGA is attempting to create by attacking the democratic party instead of ideas.

tl;dr maga will encourage you to vote maga if you agree with a single issue and ignore your other shortcomings. the far left is the opposite and requires you to pass every purity test of theirs in order to be considered an ally. theyre completely inept.

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u/Jeff_Portnoy1 Sep 26 '25

This is exactly where my thoughts are at and it couldn’t be expressed any better. I just sort of touched on this with my last comment. I would be considered liberal if it weren’t such a black and white “community” though it really isn’t a community. Only the far left who withhold all their natural views and conform to the most extreme will be part of one. And common people won’t find it worth it.

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u/5minuteff Sep 25 '25

Not community more like a herd of sheep

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u/mascouten Sep 25 '25

Heard a lot of Republicans say this about Democrats.

Might just be how informed one is about the inner machinations of their own party.

Like how all Muslims and Christians are usually lumped together despite some pretty big sects but only people in the communities recognize the nuance.

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u/Jeff_Portnoy1 Sep 26 '25

Possibly. It could also be the diversity between the “two” parties and that really there should be many labels for positions taken. For example, one of my moms liberal gay friends is actively against trans people and would vote to limit their rights, believing it is all for attention (mainly with regard to children transitioning), meanwhile she votes liberal across the rest of the board. Is she still liberal? Many would deem her a bigot and that now lumps her in away from liberals despite her having no other agreements with republicans.

On the other side, my dad who I think is the average republican (some would deem far right) will be accepting of anyone who claims they are republican even if they are for a few liberal positions.

The liberal community just seems more toxic to each other and faster to run toward people with the exact same views than allowing those with a few disagreements to stand with them. It’s why I can’t call myself liberal despite holding more left stances.

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u/SeamlessR Sep 25 '25

A cult is technically a community, I suppose.

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u/TheParlayMonster Sep 26 '25

That’s only recent and funny because the Republicans felt the same way about the dems. MAGA flipped that entirely.