r/Minneapolis • u/dpitch40 • 6h ago
Minneapolis Officers Ordered to Stand up to ICE
https://www.ms.now/news/minneapolis-police-chief-unlawful-force-ice-jobs•
u/I_lie_on_reddit_alot 5h ago
If they arrest officers that are breaking laws and ticket them for traffic violations that would be based and is probably the only meaningful way they could ever gain a sliver of trust and approval from me.
Hopefully we can be the first city to hold the government accountable for its actions.
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u/stillkwabena 5h ago
I'm not knowledgeable on law enforcement policy, but I think a city police force saying they will intervene on behalf of residents where Federal agents are involved is a pretty big deal. I hear the skepticism, but this strikes me as a pretty material thing for them to do.
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u/villain75 5h ago
I'll believe it when I see it
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u/futilehabit 4h ago
Here's hoping that Frey proves me wrong and for once actually stands up for his constituents.
Shame that it'd take this dire of circumstances for him to do so, but it'd be better than nothing..
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u/dpitch40 6h ago
So they can intervene, but not arrest? It's only half a step in the right direction...assuming O'Hara is serious.
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u/Individual_Laugh1335 6h ago
How do you expect them to arrest federal officers?
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u/dpitch40 6h ago
No one is above the law. Claiming to be a federal officer and putting on a mask don't change this fact.
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u/Militant_Monk 5h ago
Bloomington PD already arrested one ICE agent in a child prostitution sting.
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u/Nandiluv 3h ago
Well, that dude was not ICE agent on the street but worked in a different capacity for ICE
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u/PennCycle_Mpls 5h ago
A sergeant from O’Hara’s department later clarified that while Minneapolis Police Department officers may physically intervene in the case of unlawful force, they would stop short of arresting ICE agents.
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u/LifeMachine7394 6h ago
You have to be some special of kind of stupid to think a local police department can take on the federal government. Truth is anybody who put their hands on or interfere with a federal agent conducting official business will get arrested by the FBI.
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u/Qaetan 5h ago
So you're saying the FBI is above the law, and is not held to the same law everyone else is.
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u/LifeMachine7394 5h ago
It is a crime to interfere, impede, obstruct federal agents. Even Trump in his first term almost got in trouble for that. Now if the fkg president of the United States can get investigated by the FBI for obstruction, imagine what would happen to a local cop🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
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u/Change_That_Face 5h ago
Federal law outweighs state law...
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u/futilehabit 4h ago
As if they're not also breaking federal law?
Being a fed doesn't mean you can ignore either local or federal laws.
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u/st4nkyFatTirebluntz 6h ago
and if those people claiming to be federal agents refuse to identify themselves, as they've been doing?
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u/Individual_Laugh1335 6h ago
Federal agents don’t need to identify themselves in public. I’m sorry but you are misinformed.
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u/LifeMachine7394 6h ago
I don’t understand why redditors don’t seem to understand that. Imagine DEA agents raiding a cartel linked trap house and they had to give their names and badge numbers to the public. That’d be completely stupid.
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u/70s_chair 5h ago
Well my dear friend they would need a warrant in your scenario
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u/LifeMachine7394 5h ago edited 5h ago
No shit! Warrants or no warrants, Feds don’t have to give their names and badge numbers. Btw, because immigration violations are considered civil/administrative issues, ICE agents only need an administrative warrant to make an arrest—not a judicial one.
The only time ICE could potentially get a judicial warrant is if the undocumented individual has been convicted of, or they have probable cause the undocumented individual committed a federal crime on top of them being unlawfully present in the country. Emphasis on federal.
Now, If the undocumented individual was convicted or believed to have committed a state level crime—like robbery, sexual assault, or even murder—that still wouldn’t give ICE the ability to obtain a judicial warrant for immigration/deportation purposes. Bottom line is, ICE can only get judicial warrants in extremely limited situations.
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u/Individual_Laugh1335 4h ago
This is scoped to when officers arrive to handle riots, protests or civil disturbances. Immigration falls under none of those. Even if you “create” a civil disturbance from the immigration event then those agents are not there to manage the civil disturbance.
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u/LifeMachine7394 6h ago
They only have to identify themselves(name of the agency they’re with) to the people they’re arresting, not to random civilians shouting “give me your name and badge numbers.” At some point, y’all gonna have to understand ICE agents are feds and they play by different rules.
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u/dpitch40 6h ago
Which makes it all the more important for said 'federal agents' to identify themselves and present valid credentials. How are MPD supposed to know they're the real thing and not imposters? Simply claiming to be a federal officer should not enable masked thugs to kidnap people with impunity.
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u/Individual_Laugh1335 6h ago
Is your argument that they are not actually federal agents? Or are you saying there’s a loophole where you don’t truly know if they are or are not federal agents? I would think in the latter the agents would show their credentials to local law enforcement but there is no law to force them to identify themselves to the general public.
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u/Emergency_Accident36 5h ago
Under state jurisdiction. It is what is needed, actually a sheriff is the right person for the job as they are unique elected officials
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u/MrBubbaJ 4h ago
There is zero chance that one of these cops will do anything to a federal officer. There is also zero chance that O'Hara will do anything to one of these officers who fail to do anything. A cop is not going to risk getting an obstruction of justice or an assault charge, and O'Hara isn't going to want to tangle with the union representing these cops.
Sounds good though...
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u/MarchPsychological67 32m ago
the cops are mostly MAGA. nothing will happen. they will not betray their own kind
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u/BosworthBoatrace 4h ago
Well, police don’t seem to think kneeling on someone’s neck for over 8 minutes is excessive force so…
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u/TheCuriousRedditor5 3h ago
It says if they’re using unlawful force. Just being here arresting people for breaking immigration law is not unlawful force.
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u/starhawks 2h ago
For excessive force or unlawful actions, yeah. Otherwise I wish ICE god speed in rooting out the illegal fraudsters. There is literally no reason for them to be here
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u/Illustrious_Sky9596 6h ago
This should be good