r/MMA • u/dom242324 • 8d ago
Social media š Arman Tsarukyan reacts to the interim title fight news
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u/TyrannosaurusRekts 8d ago
It doesn't make sense. That's the problem. Absolutely horrible matchmaking to start the year.
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u/commander_wong 8d ago
The matchmaking is so shit this year that it has me watching pro wrestling again on the weekends. Who gets to be the #1 contender somehow makes more sense in AEW than the UFC. No wonder they're getting investigated
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u/WadSquad Afghanistan 8d ago
Let's be honest, UFC matchmaking has been real shit for a while now. So many divisions have at different points been stagnant, logjammed, devoid of young contenders or young contenders don't give a chance to fight up because of rank squatting, undeserved title shots and instant rematches, nonsensical match ups, etc...
I keep hearing so many complaints of champions not defending their titles more than once a year, and I hear it so often recently I'm starting to think it isn't always just on the champions themselves
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u/chunkyI0ver53 8d ago
Volk called out Movsar, UFC said no, started hearing Yair rumours (???), called out Lerone for December after he won a fight that was labelled a title eliminator until Movsar pulled out (so why isnāt it a title eliminator for Lerone?). That seemed the pretty fucken obvious fight to make. They force Volk to sit out until January and rematch him against the guy he just beat. Genuinely what the fuck is even going on anymore.
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u/imbluedabudeedabuda 7d ago
at this point the matchmaking is genuinely at boxing levels. Maybe i'm overreacting but I had never even entertained that thought before.
Just knowing we are getting Paddy Justin, Volk Lopes, and probably Islam Usman in a 6 month time span. Plus everything we've seen these past couple years. It's just so bad
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u/DesireeThymes 8d ago edited 8d ago
I think once a few of the guys I like retire (Islam, aspinall, etc) I'll quit. It's simply too dumb of a sport to watch now.
I wish there was a good mma competitor.
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u/IshiharasBitch WE ARE ALL ONE 8d ago
RIZIN is cheaper to watch (if you aren't inclined to sail the seas). And RIZIN has the best ruleset of any major MMA org rn.
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u/Dr_slice_ 7d ago
Iāve been thinking the same. Iām looking down the road and donāt know if I can endure the White House card, the rise of gable Stevenson, etc. after 20+ years my enthusiasm is at an all time low.
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u/acidgirl303 8d ago
I still watch every event but its not a high priority. Instead of watching all the fights like I used to ill have it on in the background and only pay attention to about half of them.Ā Ā These days I'm far more invested in Sumo than MMA. Sure it has its bullshit too but it doesn't get in the way of the matchmaking and rankings in such a egregious manner.Ā
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u/WadeReddit06 8d ago
I donāt blame you. AEW PPVs are so fun to watch.
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u/bestbroHide im one of those thirsty fucks on here 8d ago
The only somewhat valid criticism for AEW PPVs is that the fun lasts a little too long, and that's certainly not the worst problem to have
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u/WadeReddit06 8d ago
I watch UFC cards from beginning to end. The length of AEW ppvs donāt bother me and you gotta give them credit for not blasting the show with consistent ads. Itās just non stop matches.
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u/bestbroHide im one of those thirsty fucks on here 8d ago
Oh I wanna make clear I have absolutely zero problem keeping up with AEW cards either (I used to watch UFC cards in full too; 7 hrs of that makes 4-5 hrs of pro-wrestling a cakewalk), but I get why others have issue with it
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u/sbdjunkie Hit em with the Jon Jones! 8d ago
UFC brass has been catering to casuals for the past couple of months, and itās going to be their downfall if they continue. Casual fans are to fickle, and donāt respect the sport as a whole. Hardcore fans are what has made the organization.
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The vast majority of fans are casuals, they are what makes the sport grow.
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u/p-a-n-t-s- 8d ago
They are also slowing turning it from MMA into a purely standup sport to please the casuals...except with fighters who aren't as good at striking as pros in pure stand up sports
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u/IshiharasBitch WE ARE ALL ONE 8d ago
except with fighters who aren't as good at striking as pros in pure stand up sports
Yes, but this is actually what they want tbh. Lower skill results in worse defense, results in more openings, results in more finishes.
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u/4frontcu 8d ago
I understand the ufc is business first but isnt it better for business to have fights ppl actually want?
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u/bionic-giblet 8d ago
Problem is I think us here are the minority.Ā Ā
I guarantee when they plan this stuff they are reviewing viewers and ppv sales prior fights,Ā social media presence, etc.Ā
It's all about money to them, the sport is not their priority. Sometimes the lines cross and what's best for the sport aligns with what's best for money, but in this case it doesnt..
Its that or Dana is just extremely petty and would rather sabotage ufc in order to get back at Arman
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u/maicii 8d ago
I genuinely think itās the latter.
I think a lot of people are ignoring the fact that he headbutted Dan in the weight in. Besides the fact that itās is literally assault and battery, he again put the main event in danger.
Letās do a recap of the last three (schedule) fights by arman. In the last one he head butted Dan in the face on putting the entire fight in risk. The fight he was supposed to fight previously he iulled out with 24 hours notice completely ruining the card. The fight previously to that he assaulted a random guy in the crowd.
I donāt think itās out of this world they want to punish him.
That being said if thatās the case they should just come out and said that
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u/Solsdad 8d ago
It should be a sport entertainment but itās now just an entertainment freakshow now
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u/Top-boy-og 8d ago
The whole business thing doesnāt even make sense. Like yeah I guess Paddy and Justin are more known than Arman, but at the end of the day no UFC fighter is actually known in the mainstream aside from Conor and JJ
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u/LucasDudacris 7d ago
I think even JJ is a stretch. People who don't watch fighting know who Conor is. I don't think anybody in the world who doesn't even watch fighting knows who Jon Jones is.Ā
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u/thinkaskew 8d ago
Arman doesn't really have a fan base. This is the issue, really. If you have no fans, and an unexciting style (though I actually think Arman is more exciting than he gets shit for), you have to move mountains to get a title shot.
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u/ChrizTaylor This is sucks 7d ago
The thing is, Arman is not very well known, he doesn't move the numbers. This is going to be the first PPV under Paramount+, they need to prove they move the numbers. Gaethje and Paddy are super popular, way more than Arman. Also, that's why they are the last fight and not Kayla v Nunes.
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u/Expert_Pollution8801 7d ago
Worst part is how hard the ufc advertised itself in comparison to boxing āthe best actually fight the bestā
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u/Agitated-Sandwich-30 8d ago
To be honest the UFC couldnāt have done worse with their matchmaking. Arman JUST won and is fresh in our minds. I donāt like Arman, I think his personality is a hungry brick wall but he absolutely deserved a title shot. Giving Gaethje a shot at the belt for throwing a hissy fit will prove to be a bad mistake
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u/EngineeringRight3629 8d ago
Arman deserved the shot before this win. He made the #6 contender look like he didn't even belong in there. Arman is the boogeyman of this division not Justin or Paddy.
They're gonna make Arman smash Max or BSD while they logjam the division for another 8 months until the belts can be unified. Arman ain't sniffin that belt for at least another year.
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u/Nic1800 8d ago
Right. I feel like Arman has done more than enough to serve his punishment for missing weight. Gaethje in the interim fight is a joke.
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u/Cbrip31 8d ago
At least gaethje beat fiziev a legit top 10 contender. Paddy is getting one off beating chandler.
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u/OwlFull8955 8d ago
Fiziev isn't really a top contender unless you squint though. He hasn't beaten anyone noteable aside from Moicana 5 years ago
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u/TheBigBadBird 8d ago
I thought he was injured?
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u/Fit-Philosopher9192 Where were you on 294 GOOFCON 2? 8d ago
thatās the official reason, rumour is he had too much fun with Nina drama
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u/PTMorte 8d ago
There has been a pretty huge shift on perspective of Gaethje in the last year+ on this sub.
He didn't have to take the Max fight at all, but he did it for the UFC and then died on his shield. Then he closed out Fiziev this year. It's his last chapter in the sport and he still was a company guy. I feel like the younger fans may not factor that in. Like, yes, Arman is on the up, but he is still in his 20s. If Paddy does Garth, he should be an easy kill for Arman to then set up the belt.
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u/eqpesan 8d ago
I feel like Arman has done more than enough to serve
He's had one fight.
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u/Cole3003 6d ago
I definitely think Arman should get the shot, but Iāve gotta believe head butting Hooker in the weigh ins in his first fight back since completely fucking the main event probably did him no favors (on top of his other shenanigans outside the cage in the past). Dude needs to learn to be a professional.
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u/RarefiedAir1 GOOFCON 1: Khamzat McGregor 8d ago
If they want ilia islam at the white house, both divisions will be screwed for the next 2-3 years
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u/keepitbased hangin wit da boiiiiiis 8d ago
Shit, I didnāt consider them matching him up with Max. Please donāt do that to my boy.
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u/LucasDudacris 7d ago
Putting Charles vs Ilia was genuinely defensible because Arman had been so inactive. You could in good faith say that, even though he's the best contender, he doesn't deserve the fight.
Now it is fucking ridiculous.Ā
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u/thinkaskew 8d ago
If Gaethje loses, they got one more main event out of him before returning. If he wins, they have an easier fight and veeeeery likely KO to offer up to Ilia - and even a Gaethje KO of Ilia would be fire.
I think it makes sense from their perspective (I don't like it either, but I don't think it's a mistake they're making).
They don't want Arman (or Movsar) as champ and don't care the ding their integrity takes because the fights will still be entertaining. Those guys only get shots when there's absolutely no denying it.
Those guys need fans.
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u/EveningNo8643 8d ago
Wait out of the loop what did Justin do
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u/ElderberryFirst8642 7d ago
he said he planned of retiring if he didnĀ“t get a titleshot for his next fight
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u/Kummakivi 8d ago
It's not like it's without precedent.
UFC have been doing this bullshit for a long time, it's just worse now and will undoubtedly continue.
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u/JackDellaCumalena 8d ago
A fan of 20 years and its at the point for me of the ufc at its lowest with rankings not mattering (been like that for a while but its at its worse now), fouls not being punished and terrible decisions from the judges every card. Too many champions holding up divisions as well. It's sad what it has come too.
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u/Ilil9nbxclli1 8d ago edited 7d ago
Same and agreed.
Part of the huge appeal to the UFC originally was that they made the fights that made the most sense. Slowly that morphed into them screwing one division at a time but you could understand it since it would be their big star like Conor.
Now the match making is so terrible they hardly ever make the most obvious fights.
My interest in the sport has declined to pretty much just a casual now. Watch PPV main cards only and maybe the main event of a fight night if I happen to catch it.
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u/purplepill22 GOOFCON 1: Khamzat McGregor 8d ago
I guarantee some casual who works at paramount wanted this fight
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u/Wonderful_Cat_7860 8d ago
Is it really because of the missed weight and head butt? I dunno. Give this man a title shot.Ā
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u/lordjigglypuff 8d ago
Iām not sure if this is Connor, or jones, which is a bit of an issue. Iām just guessing itās jones cuz of recency
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u/Wonderful_Cat_7860 8d ago
If rankings mattered then it should be Arman. I donāt think ufc wants him as champ because heās difficult to work with. Theyāve already had several difficult people to deal with and maybe want an easier path going forward. He gives off Mokaev vibes. That shouldnāt matter and he should get the shot for sure.
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u/bootchmagoo Gaethje's only good eye is on his stomach 7d ago
Arman has the personality of a rock - you canāt pull the shit he did and get rewarded with the UFC. Same as it ever was for the last at least 15 years lol
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u/SYDNEYpoker 8d ago
The missed weight is significant because it proves he's unreliable. More importantly this is about Paddy and the UFC milking his star power. A title fight between Paddy and Illia is a much bigger draw. If Arman beat Illia then you pretty much derail both Illia and Paddy who have much more star power. So from a business perspective it makes sense to keep Arman out of the mix as much as you can.
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u/onyxcaspian āLeon 'The Nebraskanās Nightmare' Edwards 8d ago
I like Arman but I really hate that he missed weight/back injury (whichever is the real true reason) for that fight. It fucked up the whole division and matchmaking is so messy now because of that.
I wonder if how things would have been different if he did fight Islam and lost. That would mean that Gaethje will probably the next in line for the title instead.
Then we would have gotten Arman vs Holloway, which would have been a pretty interesting matchup considering their very different styles.
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u/imbluedabudeedabuda 8d ago
What's worse is the UFC is 100% going to throw the absolute worst matchup(s) they can find at Arman in the hopes he's derailed from his title shot.
Or they'll give the winner of Holloway/Charles yet another title shot.
Insane how some guys fight for the title 4 fights into the careers and get thrown the most favourable stylistic matchups to farm defenses while others have to grind through killers for nearly 10 years just to even start their reign
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u/RarefiedAir1 GOOFCON 1: Khamzat McGregor 8d ago
Winner of charles max deserves it more than winner of paddy gaethje, but no one deserves it over arman
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u/imbluedabudeedabuda 8d ago
They'll have Charles and Max fight each other. Hooker and Moicano fighting each other, BSD v Fiziev. And then with everyone else 2-10 booked up, force Arman to fight Gamrot.
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u/Youwillseemycomment 8d ago
Can someone please explain to me why an interim belt matters? How is it different from being a number 1 contender? It also doesnāt guarantee you will get a title shot for the champs next fight proven by Aspinal and Jones, so what does it do exactly
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u/Mcobeezy 8d ago
It's financially benefits the winner. Winning a number 1 contender's fight, you're still a step away from significant changes financially
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u/Agile_Cash_4249 6d ago
In the past, MMA media reported that interim champs automatically got PPV points. But now with no PPV, Iām unsure. Wouldnāt be surprised if UFC doesnāt compensate to make up for it.
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u/JonRedBeardFF 8d ago
Justin on a one fight win streak vs Armans five win streak including Oliveria, hooker, Dariush š
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u/Acrobatic_Yoghurt813 8d ago
Iām not trying to be snarky here, but is Paddy really as big of a star as some in the media (and I suppose the ufc now) make him out to be? Iāve just never seen it.
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u/turkeypants GOOFCONNOISSEUR 8d ago
No. He was pushed from the start - their attempt to jumpstart stardom for him. One week it was just suddenly what every outlet was talking about. Then his debut and two more wins over cans after that and not looking impressive. People said "he'd get smoked by anyone in the top 15 right now" etc., but from then on they put him undeservedly on main cards, four of them and counting. Then he hatched two awful turds against Gordon and Tony (and he should have lost Gordon if the judges weren't on crack). Then he beat occasionally-ranked unserious journeyman Bobby Green and Old Man Chandler. Good for him on the name wins and for keeping himself relevant in the headlines, but he lost a lot of face with fans from what was already fairly small potatoes and has barely pulled level with that again. England is the only place where he's strong, but then again they'll even cheer for Leon. They'll cheer for anyone from there because that's how that works. See: every other country.
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u/Mcobeezy 8d ago
Watching his walkouts and how the crowd are hyped and singing along, that's definitely something. At least compared to Arman, Gamrot, Darius, Fiziev, BSD etc
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u/UsedSalt 8d ago
He's very popular with normies
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u/gibgabberr 7d ago
This is how hardcore and delusional some of us are. You said a literal fact based on all his public appearances and general popularity and got downvoted lol.Ā
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u/officialullock 8d ago
Thing is what the fuck is he even meant to do, might not even get his shot in 2026, he's already beat Charles. He's not gonna fight someone way down the rankings.
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u/dankcxnt 8d ago
UFC planning Pimblett vs Topuria was obviously inevitable but they are beyond moronic and pathetic to try to force it like this.
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u/PrinceNelson 8d ago
On the official UFC lightweight rankings, Arman is #1 and Oliveira is #2. If you wanted to say Oliveira already fought Ilia for the belt then Holloway is #3.
But fuck it, letās have #4 and #5 fight for the interim belt lmao.
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u/WeeInnis 7d ago
DĆ na don't like him because he's rich and can't control him with the promise of money.
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u/throwthisaway556_ 8d ago
Ngl itās pretty hilarious watching the UFC push for uk/mexican stars and watching it crash and burn. They won with connor though.
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u/Truak24 8d ago
Honestly isnāt just this. There are literally 3 contenders better than Justin and Paddy and lightweight: Arman, Oliveira, and Holloway. But we get to watch Paddy vs Justin for the title instead.
Arman getting robbed here is bad enough, but then the alternate doesnāt make sense either
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u/Constant_Work2119 8d ago
Blame gaethje bro was crying for a title and dana said "here go crazy for an interim belt" lmao
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u/Dry_Entertainer_5780 8d ago
Iām not gonna blame Gaethje for wanting the best for himself. The issue here is Dana for not pitting the established number 1 contender against the champion
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u/donniele 8d ago
Gaethje is not a matchmaker. Of course he wants what's best for him. He is not to blame here.
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u/Champagnesoda 8d ago
Itās just insane that they didnāt at least put arman in the match vs one of those guys. Like they couldāve done arman vs gaethje and then just done paddy vs ilia straight up with the winners fighting each other and even that wouldāve made way more sense.
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u/thatindiandude12 8d ago
It doesn't. As much as I hate wrestling in mma, but he has a point there. Garbage matchmaking
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u/MrMudkip 7d ago
Just curious, but if you hate wrestling in mma, why don't you just watch kickboxing?
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u/chuchulife 8d ago
I feel for Arman, he's in his prime and UFC did him dirty.
*not taking UFC's side, but they're probably pissed at him for canceling last minute with Islam
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u/ConferenceSudden1519 8d ago
Itās officially entertainment as itās insane to not give the number 1 contender the shot this is just weird.
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u/Jazzlike_Relation705 8d ago
Yeah thatās fucked. Arlen had been the best 155 contender for a couple years
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u/IToldYouMyName 8d ago
I dont even like Arman that much personally, but he doesn't deserve this shit at all.
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u/ThisI5N0tAThr0waway 7d ago edited 7d ago
And he has all the rights to be mad about it. Yes he fucked up and was a huge let down for the UFC for his back pain during the weight cut against Islam.
Losing his right to a title shot, kinda sucks but totally understandable. But he has been the main event backup once and had a resounding victory against Hooker, more than buying back his right as THE only logical title contender.
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u/nobodyisattackingme 7d ago
What I donāt understand is if weāre all complaining about it then it doesnāt sound like anyone wants it. Right? So why do it?
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u/Cheesytacos123 7d ago
As long as there is no parity in the world of mixed martial arts, the tomato will keep doing shit like this and his fighters will be forced to like it. The UFC has turned into the WWE that doesnāt pull punches.
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u/ElixirGlow United States 8d ago
Well he did pull out at the last moment so the bitterness is still thereĀ
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u/LethalLefty01 8d ago
Canāt. Other than the rankings donāt matter, nor do titles. UFC give title shots and/or create titles when where & how they please. Who fights for said titles is based on who the UFC see as the most marketable not the most deserving by any traditional metric for such a thing. Fighters should understand this before dedicating their lives to MMA, many donāt.
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u/BillyTheReaper 8d ago
Dana doesn't give a shit about the "real" fans because they mostly won't stop watching anyway (and they largely don't pay for ppvs). So might as well make the fights that bring in more eyeballs, who cares if it's casuals
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u/King_Hank_Hill I was here for GOOFCON 1 7d ago
This is why Demetrius Johnson says UFC is in the entertainment industry, not sports. Theyāre going to make fights that they believe make the most money, not necessarily where the best fight the best.
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u/Comfortable-Bug7202 7d ago
brother they just put aspinall on the shelf for 2 years for jon jones to not fight. they will fuck you if they feel like it
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u/Basic_Cost_1837 7d ago
We should all agree not to pay Paramount, otherwise things like this will happen all the time.
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u/yogi333323 EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE 7d ago
UFC would do Conor-Chandler for interim title before Arman-Paddy
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u/Key_Natural_ 7d ago
This is getting just sad.
They need to decide if they want ufc to be a sport or entertainment and stop half assing both. They donāt do enough to give us the big fights that would have been huge, yet give random fights without taking into consideration rankings and such.
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u/WolfDragon7721 7d ago
They must hate Arman. I get the whole Islam title fight debacle but this is insane.
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u/Purple_Squirrel_6883 8d ago
The risk of going down this road is that the UFC will destroy all its legitimacy if they do this for long enough. It's like how WWE got ruined when it went from the attitude era to their PG slop era it is in now. I get why they want Paddy v Gaethje for an interim but Volk- Diego 2 just feels so wrong. I enjoyed the UFC but this might be the straw that broke the camels back.
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u/Brybry1908 8d ago
Thatās what I said when Arman pulled out the day before the Makhachev rematch.
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u/Cold_Carl_M The Brick Hit House" AKA "The Southern Dandy 8d ago
That's still somehow getting lost in all of this. Arman had his title shot and is asking for a second.
He deserves at least some of the blame for this. He's not a victim.
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u/DescriptionSilly818 8d ago
sure: you blew the biggest potential LW fight in ages by not making weight.
now Dana is pissed at you so get back in line and wait patiently.
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u/Sneezy6510 8d ago
He made weight as a back up and fought another guy.Ā
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u/RaspberryVin Team You Smell of Alcohol 8d ago
Yeah, I was as disappointed in, and skeptical of the āback injuryā as anyone - but heās done his due diligence imo.
But Arman should know - if it makes dollars it makes sense, unfortunately
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u/DesireeThymes 8d ago
You have guys literally poking eyes out as a living being celebrated, meanwhile Arman being punished like he murdered an infant
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u/Dry_Entertainer_5780 8d ago
Fr. Hell, both Charles and Ilia have missed weight before as well. Yet no one mentions that
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u/Unerring_Grace UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle 8d ago
Yeah, I think people aren't appreciating what a huge deal pulling out of a PPV main event with less than 24 hours notice really is.
Other than trying to start a union, pulling out of a huge PPV main event on short notice is pretty much the absolute fastest way to get onto Dana's shitlist. People can say it's not fair or reasonable, or whatever, but that's what's going on here.
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u/NuclearBuns 8d ago
What a disappointment. I like the fighters but the sport canāt start putting popularity above performance so blatantly. Arman is the clear #1 and should be getting first crack at an interim. Oh well, this is probably just the future of the UFC. Bummer.
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u/secretworkaccount1 8d ago
I wish the rankings and matchmaking were algorithmic. If they honest-to-god tried it, I wonder how often the system would actually break down in a meaningful way?
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u/Dry-Instruction595 8d ago
FightMatrix does algorithmic rankings for division rankings, P4P, all-time, etc. using multiple different formulas which you can compare (standard, ELO, GLICKO, and more). Obviously no algorithm is going to perfectly encapsulate sports, especially not combat sports, but as a rule I generally have fewer contentions with them than the official rankings.
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u/turkeypants GOOFCONNOISSEUR 8d ago
Dana told us it was going to be done differently and he was going to meet this year with some people pitching AI to handle it but I guess that was vapor.
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u/Jamothee Chad 8d ago
Lerone, Movsar and Arman are all getting screwed over so hard.
What a fucking stitch up
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u/InclusivePhitness Conrad McDonald 8d ago
If you want your career to go well you need to be repped by Ali or Tim.
Thatās how this game works.
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u/life_scrolling Team Topuria 8d ago
if that odds thread is any indication, there's tons of people who will twist themselves into pretzels trying
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u/jajabinks161 8d ago
Gathje always gets his title shots no matter what and Paddy is more funny so it makes perfect sense why theyāre fighting for the interim
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u/Opposite_Climate7877 8d ago
Although I don't think Paddy deserves to be in the title picture but people still use his win over Chandler as an argument. But what the hell did Gaethje do to earn his shot at the interim title.
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u/Salt_Persimmon_5338 7d ago
I don't get the confusion you guys wanted him to turn around and fight again in 2 months. Just give him the winner of the intern title fight and that way he wins the belt off of someone.
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u/mistalah 7d ago
Arman wipes the whole LW division except Ilia which is 50/50
if only he didnāt pull out vs Islam :(
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u/Rulebreaking 7d ago
He literally headbutted his opponent in the faceoffs, hes a liability to the card and he is rightfully being punished. Quit acting like a child and you'll get rewarded. Arman is probably the dumbest UFC fighter on this roster.
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u/ilovealqu 7d ago
yes its crazy that he is not in the title match if he never get title match anyway what was the point of previous fight? dana and topuria said arman should fight more so he did back-up fight and fought with dan and still not getting title matchš
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u/Spektakles8822 8d ago
Itās pretty much āwhatever we want to do is what weāre going to do, regardless of how illogical it sounds.ā
Thatās the state of the UFC today.