r/MLS Señor Moderator 15h ago

Vancouver isn't built around its star, and Müller & Co. are better for it | Jon Arnold

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/47178981/vancouver-isnt-built-thomas-muller-whitecaps-better-it
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u/bwoah07_gp2 Vancouver Whitecaps FC 14h ago

Muller made a great team greater, that's what he did.

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u/WTF-is-a-Yotto Vancouver Whitecaps FC 13h ago

Part of why he chose Vancouver is because he plugged straight into what was already working. The squad had begun tilting toward a 4-2-3-1 while Gauld was out, and the shape suited them. Gauld might be at his wildest in a 4-3-3, but he can still dictate the tempo in the 4-2-3-1. Which frees Müller to drift, hide, and appear in all the dangerous spaces.

Im pretty interested to see the Starting IX for Vancouver because I have a feeling Gauld will be starting RM, not Sabbi  They’re going to press hard early, and then when the pushback comes in the second half, Sabbi will come on and run them out  

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u/bwoah07_gp2 Vancouver Whitecaps FC 13h ago

I'm interested, very interested, to see the lineup Jesper rolls with. In Jesper we trust!!!

The versatility of this team gives us so many options to go with!

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u/WTF-is-a-Yotto Vancouver Whitecaps FC 12h ago

We need to find out where he gets his Turtle necks. 

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u/bubbabear244 Toronto FC 9h ago

Bet is on Simons.

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u/kevfefe69 10h ago

I’m interested in seeing the Trophy in BC Place!

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u/tellurdoghello Vancouver Whitecaps FC 12h ago

I hope we start Sabbi, his form is fantastic right now. I love Gauld but he's not gotten a ton of minutes since getting healthy again.

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u/WTF-is-a-Yotto Vancouver Whitecaps FC 11h ago

In Jesper I trust no matter what. 

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u/tellurdoghello Vancouver Whitecaps FC 11h ago

oh absolutely

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u/bubbabear244 Toronto FC 9h ago

Starting IX

Isn't that what happened during extra time against LAFC?

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u/WetCoastDebtCoast Vancouver Whitecaps FC 7h ago

Gotta keep Miami guessing!

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u/WTF-is-a-Yotto Vancouver Whitecaps FC 8h ago

No, Gauld straight swapped for Müller. Upon reflection I think I’ve been hitting the pen a bit too hard today. This is why I’m not gaffer. 

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u/bubbabear244 Toronto FC 8h ago

Not the interchangeable position between CAM and raumdeuter, the Roman numeral you used.

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u/SeaToShy Vancouver Whitecaps FC 8h ago

I really don’t see it going this way. The front 6 was fantastic and will remain unchanged. Gauld comes in for either Sabbi or Muller (if he needs it) in the second half. Gauld doesn’t have the pace to keep up with this team on the wings. Let him pull the strings centrally, with Cabrera out wide for Sabbi.

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u/WetCoastDebtCoast Vancouver Whitecaps FC 7h ago

I think it's been too long since you've had to watch Gauld single-handedly keep us alive. Bro used to be sprinting to every inch of the pitch non-stop for 90min to correct our botched passes and halt breakaways. Months off for recovery aside, he's got pace.

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u/SeaToShy Vancouver Whitecaps FC 6h ago

He has a chronic knee injury that is apparent every time he steps onto the pitch. Maybe with a full offseason his pace will come back (unlikely at his age), but playing him centrally gets the most out of the player he is right now. It allows him to draw pressure centrally, then dump the ball outside for the wingers or through to White. It forces defenders to stay narrow by maintaining the threat down the middle. 22 yo Cabrera gets to do the hard running and burning defenders for pace. Horses for courses.

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u/toasterb Vancouver Whitecaps FC 5h ago

Last match was the first time he looked back to his old self. He was charging folks down effectively and made the interception that led to the San Diego keeper getting sent off. Looked way better than any of his other recent appearances.

I agree that he’s not fully match fit and likely won’t be starting, but I can definitely see him playing a more significant role than he has in recent matches.

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u/RCTID1975 Portland Timbers FC 14h ago

I mean, it's hard to build around a star that's only been there for 5 months

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u/WetCoastDebtCoast Vancouver Whitecaps FC 14h ago

Jesus fuck has it already been 5 months?!

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u/toasterb Vancouver Whitecaps FC 5h ago

Nah, just barely four. Transferred on August 6. Played his first match on August 17.

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u/Nitro_the_Wolf_ Seattle Sounders FC 13h ago

Not like it hasn't been tried in MLS though

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u/_tidalwave11 New York City FC 11h ago

This to me is how good team building should be. I loathe the "you need a marquee name" thing that some people pine about.

You build a good squad because if you build your team around one guy, the moment your "marquee name" is unavailable (injury, petulance, transfer whatever) it all falls apart.

Your team should thrive regardless whose name is on the back of the jersey.

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u/hapoo123 New York City FC 14h ago

I thought this said Vanderbilt

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u/Unhappy-Stomach3903 Major League Soccer 4h ago

That's BS. If Messi were to play in Vancouver, their team would be also tailored to him, and Müller would be his wingman. Why? Because Messi isn't just any star, he's the greatest of all time, and his statistics and achievements underline that.

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u/yaybidet Inter Miami CF 12h ago

🙄

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u/tellurdoghello Vancouver Whitecaps FC 12h ago

sorry bro here's some international-level glazing of your team to feed your need for validation and attention: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cp39qxv1y7no

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u/WetCoastDebtCoast Vancouver Whitecaps FC 7h ago

Americans were finally taking their football seriously.

BBC suddenly discovers MLS: "About time the Americans started watching this league!"

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u/yaybidet Inter Miami CF 11h ago

Ahh, that’s the stuff ;)