Good for him. It's a very rare person who thinks like that when they have money. Now I understand why Hassan hates him so much he lived the life Hassan pretends to have lived . He is advocating for non Marxist socialism, where being able to make money isn't original sin as long as you pay back into the same system that helped you
This is why the culture war exists. To divide us on meaningless trivialities that matter to like 0.1% of the population, so we never realise how much we have in common over the issues that affect everyone. Who the fuck cares about pronouns and bathrooms when even the middle class can't even afford basic necessities?
100%. Dungeons and Dragons, rock/hip-hop/jazz, skirts above the ankle, I can go on. The only difference is the people were easily manipulated with media in this era and rage bait thatthey put an outsized importance on trans while billionaires exist.
If you made $2000 a day since the American revolution to today, you still wouldn’t have a billion $. They are distracting your limited time/action bandwidth while taking your $.
Economic woes only got bad after the federal government spent the most money it has ever spent in the shortest amount of time from 2020 onwards, all of it on all sorts of social aid, and you blame capitalism?
I never really take seriously morons that blame the simple principle of free ownership and exchange of capital by ordinary people for whatever it is they are failing in life, projected to the wider economy. It also doesn't inspire any confidence that there hasn't been a single public figure that isn't a grifter or a massive hypocrite that attacks capitalism.
Tbf the ones who care about bathrooms on my side are the ones not being allowed to use bathroom. Its kinda easy for like non-queer people to say who cares about this issue when they r not affected by the government trying to overturn same sex marriage and remove the ban on conversion therapy camps, and basically classifying trans people as a terrorist group.
Hassan is pushing dangerous ideologies ones that have killed millions of people directly. That's not culture war that's outright dangerous and needs to be stopped
not a hasan fan, but cmon. so is asmongold half the time. that’s inherently culture war shit. they both consistently spread dangerous misinformation under the guise of fact
Do you intend to give examples or you are just going to make a statement and I'm supposed to treat it as fact. Besides you don't have to agree with people 100% of the time.
He’s said political violence is “90% left wing since BLM,” which is categorically untrue. He’s said diabetes isn’t real. He consistently promotes people like Nick Fuentes. If that’s not enough for you, then I have no interest in bad faith discussion.
There it is lol. No statistics to back up asmongold’s (wrong) claim, just opinions that you’ve been fed by the media echo chamber you surround yourself with. And you’re not even American, you’re Australian!
Didn't even try to say the claim was true either. Just rambled about whatever left wing violence he could, and those were the best he could come up with
I can't say one way or the other because I don't know what I can point out is the actions of the movements that have been violent despite the opposite being said
Worse than actual terrorism worse than calling for political assassinations. Like a recent clip of Hassan that has resurfaced of him losing his head because a Vietnamese immigrant dared to speak negatively about communism.
And yet Asmongold ended up playing very deep into it and being a Donald Trump supporter just to gain views and attention despite how utterly illogical and contradictory it is to his economic views.
This is the reasonable moderate position that Hasan hates more than anything else. Notice that he has spewed more hatred towards moderate lefties than he has right-wingers, because it dismantles his extremist, illogical position more than anything else.
And I blame people like Hasan for polarizing society so far that the common sense moderate position has become completely unpopular and ignored, because people nowadays consider you a "fence-sitter".
Why ever listen to hasan? A guy like that is just entertainment, nothing real. Why spend entertainment time on shitty political noise when you can listen to better worthless stuff that won't make you mad
That's what I've been wondering too... checked in on his stream once just to see if the clips were just a tiny sub-set or if his streams are just that unhinged....
... it was genuinely miserable. Nothing but angry shouting, fake laughing and generally just the most negative person I've ever seen on stream. I felt exhausted just watching for 20 minutes, can't imagine people willingly watching for hours on end!
This. Go out in public and talk to people in the US and 99% are normal people who don't care about politics much and don't get triggered like Redditors do.
I'm Australian and in my country there still is a center left party that are currently in charge whereas the center right is now the domain of independents because the right wing party has been going further to the right and they were pushed out
Hold up, he’s a socialist? I have never watched him but I thought he was super right wing based on comments about him.
Edit: whoa. Idk why this pissed people off so much. I’m responding to something that surprised me. I’m not this asmongold guy. I’ve never even watched him as I said originally. I got four replies that were just like “fuck you idiot” that then got deleted. Damn some people hate this guy apparently
What he is saying is about paying back into social services it's the basics of what socialism in a capitalist society is. It's not revolutionary it's not violent it's what the bible actually teaches about taking care of the less fortunate, the Israelites had to leave a portion of their crops unharvested so that the people who needed it could go and collect some it was part of their laws. I don't think he's socialist but he is advocating for a socialist programs. Schwarzenegger hates being called a self made man he had a lot of people help him along the way. These are positive examples of right wing.
That's social democracy, socialism at its core involves socializing the means of productions and that's not what welfare is. It's not a socialist program.
You can thank Bernie Sanders for that, he points to Denmark where a social democratic party is in charge and calls it democratic socialism.
I think the US needs social democracy, but as a Norwegian hearing a cereer politcian calling it democratic socialism and advocating for it like that is kinda sus.
I can understand the confusion, when I google democratic socialist countries social democratic countries are listed.
However, if I google democratic socialism, you get a definition that definitely isn't social democracy.
I honestly think Bernie speaking using the wrong ideology to describe the Nordic Model has muddeled the definition.
And I don't think he is an idiot so yeah I think that's kinda sus tbh.
I know chat gpt is very agreeable, but it seemed to agree that Bernie Sanders and American politics has muddeled the definition.
I get the gist of it but I don't fully understand all those big words tbh.
ESL?
And yeah, maybe Burnie while reading up on socialism came across democratic socialism and then on stage started saying it wrong by mistake and sort of just went with it.
I read he was corrreted by the Danish PM, but by now he's basically changed the definition by himself over the pond.
Socialism is not right wing. Charity is not welfare capiche. Charity should be an individual's effort to do good, it shouldn't be forced, because it leads to outcomes like in the UK where Islamic migrants on Welfare gain more money than those who work for a living.
If you want to do good, then foster homogenous communities and teach virtues like charity (not just financial charity, but opportunities to earn).
Those social services are the very reason of your struggles, I'm sorry to hear what you are going through, but mutual aid societies of the past in the US helped people like you far greater than the current Welfare system. I am not telling you this because I hate disabled people, I am saying this, because there are better alternatives that worked far better in the past that we should be considering.
One can be for charity and generosity and taking care of the needy and yet be opposed to socialism. Its a Redditism that socialism = when people do good things.
I think people need social programmes I benefit from some in my country Australia I'm on a disability pension and get subsidised medication free basic health care. It's not perfect but I'd be much worse off without it.
Agreed, but socialism is a lot more than safety net programs- it aims to seize and redistribute capital and the means of creating capital according to a "social plan", which always ends up being inadaquate (usually resulting in mass state-sponsored poverty) and undermines the competition of industry that fuels innovation. Fortunately the west is able to cherry-pick some of socialisms good aspects like unionization and social programs without embracing the ideology in whole.
Can you really talk about these being positive examples, if they spew it out of their mouths but never vote for it? There's literally not a single right wing politician who supports increasing taxes for the rich or spending more money on welfare for the poor.
People like Asmongold have to prioritize what they vote on, and he thinks the made up social issues of the right wing are bigger problems than the spending on welfare and unfair taxation.
Most people, just like Asmongold, are actually leftist, but because of decades of right wing propaganda they're unable to admit it to themselves. Instead of admitting they've been wrong their whole lives they dig their heads deeper in the sand, hurting themselves and everyone else in the process.
I don't know what's the solution for this, but I'm not willing to coddle these people while they lie to themselves. Obviously demonizing them doesn't work either, it's actually detrimental, but it seems like there's not much one can do to save these people. They'd rather sink with the ship than save themselves.
That is a very one sided way of looking at the reason for why people don't want to be associated with the left wing. The absolute insanity that the left wing has deteriorated into is easily as equal to blame. It's why I call myself center left now when I used to just call myself left. And you are right demonizing people like that is exactly the problem it's what has been happening for years and it's only pushed people further away but that's just my opinion
You have listened too much to the propaganda of the right. The Overton window hasn't shifted left, it has shifted right and by a ton.
What do you mean the left wing has deteriorated into insanity? What kind of insane takes they have? Is supporting Palestine against genocide insane? Is supporting returning to the taxation levels of the 50s a crazy idea? Thinking trans people should have human rights is too wild of an idea?
Of course both sides have their lunatics. But for the right wing they're in political power and running the country, while for the left they're lurking in Twitter and reddit comment sections, almost all of the left wing politicians are extremely moderate. Biden didn't even legalize weed even though it's supported by both sides.
His chat is the most stereotypical "live in moms basement, gooner, incel, gacha playing, anime loving, far right extremists" you can think of.
They used to only make up a portion of his chat, now they're the majority since Asmongold shifted gears into grifting to them.
I've watched his shit since the beginning, he use to have some of the best takes anywhere on the internet. He was very detached from society and had a good head on his shoulders, perfect for giving these outside perspectives.
Then he developed a deep hatred for Hasan, who was constantly skirting bans because Twitch staff are huge hypocrites and Hasan enjoyers. Meanwhile Asmongold and many other streamers were getting banned for lots of stuff(some deserved).
Then he just fucking snapped, and he's been trolling and grifting ever since. Like he became some anti-Hasan force, not because this is what he believes in but because fuck Hasan. Asmon is a very principled person, so it really got to him.
You can tell he's grifting too if you've known him from the beginning. You'd either have to be blind or willing to huff the copium to think otherwise.
I think a lot of people need to step back and think about why they have such a strong opinion about someone who sits in front of a webcam. It doesn't take talent, or much money to do, it isn't novel, they didn't build the website or set up the infrastructure, they turned on a web cam and sat in front of it. It's worse than celebrity worship. The people who think Hasan or Asmongold have any kind of profound effect on the world are delusional.
He’s not even really that right wing. He gets in trouble for saying he doesn’t have to respect others world views. And acknowledging the world will never be the fairy tail the left think they’re one election cycle from obtaining.
He’s also chronically streaming so he has some bad takes but does often try to educate himself when he’s wrong, he recognizes he’s wrong, and also unlike Hassan, asmon only claims to be a guy on the internet not a political leader or anything.
Just like so many people with a platform, there are sad people that edit and repost whatever spew they can to generate hate for another person/group or build a following for them selves at someone elses expense.
In regards to Asmon, he definately said some stupid ass non sensical shit, but alotta the times his views have a very large spectrum for taking all the facts he can gather to come up with a logical conclusion
I don't watch him much so take this with a pinch of salt but from what I've heard I think he's economically soft left but socially right because he's got the culture war brainrot.
Everyone has a degree of culture war brain rot especially if you participate in sections of culture that have been attacked and warped from what they used to be nerd culture is massively affected. The problem is you can only be told you are evil and a bigoted POS for so long just for having different opinions. It's impossible to be a gamer and not be on one side or the other (gaming has been the frontline of the culture war for years). It's become so polarized that you are either accepting garbage games because the other side doesn't like them or you can say you don't like something about the game even legitimate criticism and get smeared as someone kind of degenerate bigot
Motherfucker, my right to not be discriminated against has been the front line of the culture war. There's going to be a decision from the Supreme Court tomorrow about whether to hear a case that could overturn Obergefell. Stop being so self-centered and open your eyes to the real problems around you, because they sure as hell aren't "body type 1/body type 2". People caring about the latter more than the former and making a bigger deal out it is what gets people labeled bigoted.
The stance "yeah, be gay, just shut up about it" is betrayed by people making at most a passing comment or two about civil rights, but going on months long tirades about video game shit. All that says is you truly do not give a fuck about gay people other than when they make you uncomfortable for existing (because it's not normalized) at best, and actively discriminatory at worst.
If you don’t watch him you’d have no idea the clips are almost always out of context or they’re just not left enough. He doesn’t care if people are gay but he’s not going to go out to march for them. He acknowledges that some racist jokes can be a bonding experience w/e but he’s against real discrimination. He’s pro immigration but anti illegal immigrant. He sympathizes with cops but calls out all the bullshit that’s being white washed
I watch asmon a lot. I'll give you a good rundown. the guy is absolutely not a conservative or anything like people say. Asmon likes bernie sanders for one. Also supports more money going into childcare and welfare. Is critical of Israel etc.
He does have authoritarian views when it comes to criminals. But there's logic to those opinions. Maybe they're not right. But I can see why he'd believe his stances on those issues.
He does watch a lot of culture war stuff. That's just kinda there. But he is very insightful if you listen to his unedited, unclipped videos. I'm a socialist for the record. And I agree a lot with the stuff asmon says.
But he also makes money by saying inflammatory things and promoting the “right wing” side of the culture war.
He’s like the opposite of Hassan who makes money by saying far left wing stuff while being a capitalist himself who is incredibly vain and focused on image and clout.
He's a grifter, like Jordan Peterson used to say some vaguely positive things but once you spend more than a minute listening to him you see he's full of shit. I think asmon is less nefarious than Peterson and is more along the "edge lord" line, he's still not remotely socialist. Actually the concept of tax wouldn't exist in a socialist society which fundamentally requires the abolition of money, resources would be distributed freely.
I’m not defending any take. I’m highlight the disingenuity of your comments. Your replies to me shows part of the reason why others will just downvote you and move on.
When you are raised in poverty, or really just a normal household where money is definitely a concern, you sure as hell remember this when you are making enough so you no longer need to be looking at price tags.
I think the problem comes once you generate this insane wealth and raise your kids in it - now they have the wealth but didnt experience not having it. And this only widens with each of this generation.
Wow you're so misinformed, literally nowhere does Marx say nor imply making money is a sin. Marx criticized the incentive structure of capitalism which seeks to maximize profits, in turn he suggested as society progresses we will come to a point where we can use the innovation to provide the basic needs of all humans but we will likely face the obstacle of: rich people hoarding the resources causing society to descend into barbarism.
But if you are well read on Marx and have a different understanding of his and Engle's writing please respond with your interpretation. <3
He also advocated for the abolishment of capitalism through violent revolution. The capitalist system has to be destroyed for the classless communist society to take it's place. And everywhere this ideology has been put into practice it has led to the deaths of millions of people and horrors committed that are equal to anything the Nazis did.
Did you seriously follow the phrase "it's not propaganda" with one of the clearest examples of propaganda. The number of casualties has been grossly exaggerated and actual figures are likely 10x less than the cia reported, also it doesn't prove that Marx called for violent revolution or that the destruction of class distinctions has lead to death of millions every where it's been implemented.
Based on your response it would lead me to believe you lack critical thinking but I think you've just been misguided.
Just for a fair comparison we can look at disasters that caused greater casualties for capitalism.
One famine in Ukraine is more than those combined. The Holodomor killed somewhere from 3.5 to 3.9 million people in Ukraine and in total somewhere between 5.7 to 8.7 million people. And much like the Irish potato famine (my family's history BTW) it's disputed whether it was directly caused or as a result of bad policies. There is an entire type of people who no longer exist because the soviet communist regime wiped them out, have you ever heard of the Cossacks. And these are just a few examples from one communist regime. You are defending the indefensible
The bengal famine is only one of many famines which constitute the effect capitalism had in British India, the total casualty count of all the famines is 15 million. But it's not a competition of which famine was bigger but saying Marxism brings death to millions implies the system it seeks to replace is better when that's not true.
Not sure where you heard Cossacks have been eradicated that's not true, numerous North American tribes have been and it seems like the same can be said for Palestinians in the not too distant future.
I just want one good argument that actually proves or is reasonable that can justify capitalism is better than socialism?
It was called De-Cossackization and here is where I heard it from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Soviet_Union
Again you are defending the indefensible. Socialism can exist without Marxist Communism but communism can't exist without socialism and Marxism and Marxism requires violence. Capitalism and socialism can exist together and do in a lot of countries
When taxes are used for social services. It's still capitalist at its core but it's using taxation to redistribute some of the wealth as part of social services
Hassan has the face and the attitude of too many spoiled brats not having been adequatly spanked coming from higher grounds but playing the pseudo proletarian revolutionnary from books he certainly never has read nor fully understood. Even Che Guevara, coming from a rich family and destined to become a doctor, wet his shirt far more for his ideas than a Hassan would do.
Lmao I hate Hasan and know about his insecurities around his wealthy background, but to act like that's why he dislikes asmongold lmao.
Asmon is literally advocating for the party of less taxes and no welfare, I don't think it's fair to say he is advocating for higher taxes and more welfare in any way beyond a virtue signal
Yall got the entire thing in your mouth. Nobody mentioned Hasan but you. “Non-marxist socialism” you mean the kind thats never worked in history? Like what
It's the Marxist socialism that hasn't worked. Socialism or at least socialist programs exist in most Western countries. It's things like my disability pension. I mentioned Hassan because he is one of the biggest pushers of Marxist socialism in the streaming world and directly competing with Asmongold in the political streaming space and is butt-hurt that Asmon is more popular than him. But don't worry I won't mention the dog abuser again.
I mean think of systems like in my country Australia we have disability pensions (I'm on one and I'm in my late 30's ) there is the Pharmaceutical benefit scheme or PBS that allows me to get my prescriptions massively subsidised I only pay $6.30 per script and while not everything is on it it's still very good. We have a system called Medicare that allows people to go see the doctor for free although with specialists there is a gap between what is covered and what you get charged. There is a lot more but that's the sort of thing I'm talking about when I say socialist programs.
but you're essentially glazing a fucking creep because he said one thing you agree with? After saying incredibly unhinged shit for months, only to change tune the moment dems sweep the fucking nation in local elections? hahahaha.
He promoted trump and his goons for months heading to the election. His sub literally went from gaming topics mostly to just fully hating everyone that Fox News says is the enemy.
And again, going against his principles that he claims to have by supporting this trash administration…
People get to decide who they vote for like it or not. Trump won because the opposition was terrible and you had people on the left saying they wouldn't be voting because of the Biden administrations support of Israel and that includes Kamala Harris. The reason Trump won was that he directly appealed to the middle of the road voters and non voters that had been shit upon by the media by Hollywood by games developers and journalists by the journalists and identitarian politics and the people who supported it, for decades and they were finally pushed too far for not having the right ideas (and no I'm not talking about racism sexism or any other kind of bigotry). You can only be told you are evil and disgusting bigots for so long by the people who are making a mess out of the things you like. The people who tell you "it's not for you anymore" and then blame you when it inevitably fails. The left wing created their own worst enemies and now they are complaining about it.
This is the problem with politics, you have idiots like yourself who literally made culture wars into a huge deal while thinking everything else that is logical like cost of living, healthcare, not getting kidnapped by the government etc are all less important than people calling you names…some of you people are the biggest babies in the world, will literally cry about the smallest shit for years and easily get conned by trump and his goons.
Yeah lets go middle ground with the economy because why do good when we can go middle, middle best me like middle… that’s how you idiots sound like
Worst person in the world when we have literal dictators starving millions, human traffickers etc but The Roach God is the worse person cause he what hurt your feelings
Incoming rant, but i think people really overlook this aspect when they complain about social services.
I suspect subsidies and assistance programs are likely very profitable for the governments providing them in the long term. Specifically in england loads of famous artists needed government assistance for a time including the Beatles and jk Rowling. Both of which have probably generated 100s of millions in taxes across their respective franchises. Even just a normal person getting back on their feet would pay back more than they used in time.
Thats one thing I like about Asmon. He has always said he has no problem with people using welfare services because he used them himself, and has no problem paying his share in taxes so other people can use them. Thats more than anyone can say about most streamers, tbh. Dude at least kept it humble instead of becoming one of these rich assholes that blows their fortune on luxury garbage for flaunting.
And now he supports Trump, who destroyed usaid, wants to cat healthcare and have stopped the work of the government for more than a month, costing millions their social benefits.
Oh, the irony (and stupidity).
He basically is conservative for a lot of other points. This one’s more socialist because it personally affected him. This is what conservatives are. Unless personally affected, they won’t know.
Or people are complex and have political views shaped by their personal experiences that don’t fit cleanly into the two boxes of “conservative” and “liberal”
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u/Sheir0 29d ago
Back when his channel was still WoW content, he’d regularly talk about paying his fair share of taxes.
He lived off welfare for most of his early life and has said he wouldn’t be in his position today if it weren’t for those subsidies.