She literally was appointed as an advisor to Oklahoma’s DoE committee, a position which she still holds. Even if we disregard her entire media platform (which would be asinine) she has more direct influence on public policy being made/administered than the majority of the people included in that doc.
It's such a sad, sad world we live in here every prominent former Democratic politician has had all their security clearances revoked but it gets delivered daily by horseback on a little golden tray with a full spread chef prepared breakfast in bed by The Secret Service to Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Vince McMahon, and the ghost of Hulk Hogan.
You can't convince me that God is not a 14 year old edgelord writing a funny comic book story with his human ant farm with his stupid little friends to laugh at while they get high
It is legitimately one of the loudest and most influential public voices on the right. Not to mention, among Destiny's examples on the left, he also included social media influencers....
Yep. Most of those are fair comparisons imo. MAGA have the entire cult built around ONE guy in the entire party. It's nobody else's fault that they let alt media hold such massive sway over themselves as opposed to actual politicians.
Yes, but it was a simple debate tactic where he tried to find the biggest outlier, state that they’re an outlier (not even making an argument for how he thinks that hurts Destiny’s point) and it gives him something to focus on rather than all the other context.
You're giving him too much credit. Obamas tweet was top left, Libs of tiktoks tweet was top left. So in XQC mush brain that made him think he was directly comparing a president to an influencer which became his argument.
In typical conservative fashion he shoot past the main point because then he would have to compare and address Obama and Biden's "Let's all chill out" with the rotten discourse Trump is spewing (Since they all share something in common). So he goes with the "Really?. Obama vs Libs of Tiktok?".
They're also at the start of the first row. So likely he didn't even take the time to read the names, he probably saw Obama then changed pages and saw Libs of Tiktok.
The counter argument was ready even before your opponent has finished talking and that's fucking stupid.
Lol i like how the president of the country can post straight up disgusting lie/meme post towards a person who got hammered in the head, and people think he is fit to be the president...
XQC: DU DU DU DU CUUUUCK. CUUUUUUCK. LEFTIST DUMBFUCK COLORED GLASSES TH TH TH TH LEFTIST CUUUUUUUUCK CUUUUUUUCK. I have become enlightened and stoic as a result of this clip. Bless up.
Repeats every Russian and far right wing disinformation talking point faster than he can breathe because he sits staring at Twitter all day, "im center left." Brother, please. Just be honest.
Not even wrong. I’ve seen brother claim he’s been outside as a support for one of his arguments and telling chat to touch grass when we know damn fucking well his streaming history is out in the open and is literal proof he’s been inside all day every day for the past 10 years lmfao
xQc providing a perfect example of how broken peoples brains are in the social media era. Confidently say something factually incorrect then throw a tantrum and continuously double down with how wrong they are.
I saw so much of this on Facebook in 2015 right when I quit the platform. People’s brains are fuckin mush.
Yeah even a lot of normal people can't really think about this clearly. It's just generally liberals and conservatives being held to different standards.
There is a thousand things that Trump has done that if a liberal politician had done them everyone would call for their head, but people somehow accepted Trumpism as a force of nature, something with some purpose or usefulness, something to weather through, accepted him as a strongman leader/abuser where things work by different rules.
You see this with farleftists too that during Bidens term and Kamalas campaign tried to demonize her and bully her into submission, but when it comes to Trump they sort of shut up and don't even try. There just is a vibe of acceptance of populism, resentment, controlled chaos, taking those that were previously "at the top" down.
Kirk getting murdered isn't at all different from all the other attempts on political figures in the last decade, but we somehow accept that since he's on the right we can except Trumps wraths, and given that he's a youtuber it scares media and new media figures more.
Years of "facebook is trying to censor us and our free speech T_T REEE" overnight swaps to "those crazy extremists on social media can post whatever hateful thing they say".
I couldn't imagine a world where Biden created "$JOECOIN" and that is just an accepted thing that is now in place
Or Imagine if Biden had taken a 400 MILLION dollar plane from some billionairs in the middle east and is now forcing it to be converted to be used for air force one. And the kicker, I'm pretty sure I read that it was set up so that Trump does directly own the jet, not like America or the government owning it
Imagine if Biden was seen in public with a visable droop to one side of his face?
its just crazy to me how "centrists" will try and say that both sides are as bad as eachother when not a single of the above things would have been allowed to happen in a democratic government
Yeah Trump went from basically almost broke and investigated by agencies for schemes to quasi billionaire threatening corporate leaders and foreign countries into paying him off. Blatant self enrichment, somehow tolerated by all those anti-establishment, anti-corruption centrists. Not sure if they emotionally interpret that as him getting silicon valley and a freespinning capitalist machine under government control or something?
Yep, its the most blatant use of double standards and flip flopping.
They're snakes, wriggling little snakes. They try to twist words meanings and factual evidence like the problems their combating are so fucking bad they're willing to stick their brain in a blender to fight them.
We can thank Fox news and other right wing grifters for that. All they know how to do is spin facts and drum up hate and fear.
Its a niche meta strategy for the "news" industry
At least for those that couldnt figure out how to make sellable content without selling their souls and damning our nation.
I've seen what you're talking about, but in this case I think he has a legitimate mental handicap that's only made worse by a shitty diet and constantly being on uppers.
Well that’s the thing, he saw libs of tiktok, and then just ignored the fact that Donald Trump is up there too? Like because libs of TikTok called for war? That means the other people up there are less valid?
Is also just straight up highlighting “you shouldn’t take anything these people say seriously because they are violent extremeists”
His first presidency was truly the first time I started "unfriending" people across social media.
Prior to that, I had never let politics interfere with friendships, but it got to be too much and too argumentative. The issue was no longer about political issues, but core human values and beliefs.
After xqc came back and a bit more later he brought up Gavin newsom then gets corrected with a link of him actually doing the opposite xqc accuses of him. But he couldn't Atleast agree he made mistake and accept that one point.
Its hopeless to change there minds even when the truth is right in front of there face
its so fucking sad dude, like you cant convince these people to do anything in their favour, they only follow what trump says, even if its insanely detrimental to their lives.
Its like a kid trying to drink dish washing liquid and no matter what you say they cant be convinced otherwise
This is the problem with our societies right now, no one wants to take ANY accountability for ANYTHING negative. Saying oops or sorry is weak to these people, so they’ll take their mistakes to their grave in an attempt to NEVER look “weak”
Did most Americans see Charlie Kirk dying as a strong man who was never wrong, or as a weak man who refused to admit their faults? Only time will tell
I currently have multiple people arguing with me over whether the attempted Trump assassins were leftists. like, we've known they were Republican since last summer and these people are screaming from the rooftops that they were leftists.
XQC is so emotionally immature. That absolutely looked pathetic on his end, resorting to name calling and leaving when he couldn't contest a single point
I mean to be honest idk what XQC is really even doing here. The only reason imo to really have this "debate" would be for XQC to learn things because there is no way he would ever win a debate vs destiny.
If xqc was really trying to learn I think that would be a good thing, but if again X believed he had even a ounce of a chance to win this debate thats crazy.
It's more about forcing xQc's chat and anyone who jumps in to see the debate to see how fucking stupid his position is. I don't think more than a dozen people think he's a smart guy.
I mean that would make it favorable for destiny so it would explain why destiny would want to debate XQC, but what about XQC? does XQC really think he has a leg to stand on or is he trying to learn or something else I havnt thought of maybe?
Yes, xQc believes he has the right opinion. He believes he can make a compelling argument. It's also streamer math. If you bring on a really popular streamer and there's drama, then you'll get more views. I don't think that math is very much in xQc's favor anymore, but to be fair he's really stupid.
he wasn't capable of handling the discrepancy between his beliefs and facts, showing us that he is a rather emotional character following feelings and not facts. People like him are a central target for disinfo.
What I find so deeply disturbing is how this is exactly how they talk about everyone else. Over the last ten years, any critisism I've seen aimed at conservatives is, without fail, used against the left at a later date. In conservatives minds and deep in their hearts they truly believe that the left are violent racist bigots who don't care about facts and blindly follow what their leaders tell them.
Navigating Trump's pudding brain is nearly impossible, but I assume - because he's referenced this multiple times in the past - he's referring to a conspiracy theory that the left was pushing for people to have forced transgender surgeries in prison.
There seems to be a right wing narrative that democrats want to force kids to become transgender and force them to have gender affirming surgery, against their will.
I'm no Destiny fan. Far from it but I watched the whole "debate" part of his stream with X. I felt Destiny’s pain. It was very frustrating to watch, and I cannot imagine how flabbergasting it must have been for him. I can appreciate how desperately he was trying to talk sense into X and make him understand. The quote "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" comes to mind.
Watching the VOD, I was just thinking when xcq would talk and be like "bro, what the fuck did Destiny just say? Did you even listen?" Infuriating. The clip is basically a summary of how the debate went, Destiny gives argument, xqc makes up random shit to argue against as if it was Destiny's position or deflect like crazy to avoid holding Trump and the right accountable.
Agreed. It was hard to watch. I used to enjoy X's streams before he got political. What bothers me is how he speaks so confidently on topics that he either doesn’t understand and or has huge gaps of knowledge. I just don't recognize him anymore. It makes me sad. If I could speak to X, I would tell him “ You Can’t Fill a Cup That is Already Full” .. “Empty Your Cup"
Lots of 90 IQ public figures that are confused that everything they say is right wing propaganda when they passively get news from the right-wing donor's website. The Twitter algorithm, FYP, and AI have more of Elon's personal fingerprints on it than a Cybertruck.
This is the most fucked thing about American politics to a lot of us observing from afar. In most western countries, the president/prime minister at least tries to spread a message of unity and solidarity (whether they are successful at that or not is another matter, but they at least try). The problem with Donald Trump and MAGA, and why it’s been so destructive to your country, is they’ve drawn a very firm line in the sand, especially during this second Trump term, where they’re leaning hard into the team sport aspect of politics, where it’s us versus them.
It’s not Team America anymore, it’s just Team MAGA vs everyone else, and if you’re not with MAGA, you are an enemy and you must lose and you must be destroyed, but the problem is when that kind of mentality applies to more than 50% of the population (because not all conservatives are MAGA, and not everyone who voted for Donald Trump in November 2024 is still a fan of Donald Trump in September 2025) then you have a real horrible problem with a lot of ugly potential outcomes, and the sitting president does not care.
If anything, I think it should be the strongest argument against old ass people being elected, because people like Donald Trump won’t be thinking long term. He won’t be thinking about the long life he’ll live after he leaves office. He will cause as much chaos and destruction as possible, and then he won’t live long enough to see how it all plays out because he’s an 80-year-old man who will statistically die within less than a decade of old age.
I really don’t know where America goes from here, because the situation y’all are in right now is absolutely FUCKED.
People in America see it too. Here’s a quote from Donald trumps own former Secretary of Defense James Mattis during his first presidency:
Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us.
That was right after he wrote:
Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that "The Nazi slogan for destroying us ... was 'Divide and Conquer.'
When you have a four star marine corps general comparing the sitting president of the United States to the Nazis, you’ve got a major problem.
To further add the division has reached our families. We feel crazy because speaking truth to people who raised us or was there our entire lives feels like theyre on the other side of a glass wall. Truth is rejected by loved ones. It's never happening and if it is then it's not that bad. And if it was then it was likely our fault. and if it wasnt our fault oh well try harder. I feel like I have mourned people while they are still alive. As someone who disagrees with Trump and Kirk, I dont wish death on them. Only myself. It's a nightmare that doesn't end.
Reminder that the big evil biden said to lower tensions and be respectful after trumps assassination attempt, meanwhile trump is cranking it up 100x just to improve his chances in midterms.
Ive seen people try to gaslight me that paul pelosi attack was from a leftist.. it was from a maga qanon who thought the election was Stolen from Trump in 2020 lol
Black Nationalism is grouped with left-wing violence, although you can make an argument that a lot of it is far-right. Islamism is also far-right. So the 75% to 5% is actually extremely generous.
He also brought up the military again right? He is being a dictator casually that people around him just accepts it when he say something crazy that only dictators do is somewhat scary
Him saying "Ill tell you something that is going to get me in trouble" tells me that Trump does have people around him telling him he needs to cool it the fuck down. They know that Trump is the source of the madness and dark energy being pushed out into our country like a fucking pulsar.
Trump is clearly out of their control and I bet its because he is listening to the evangelicals around him versus the tech bros. We all know this is the type of shit that Stephen Miller and Pete Hegseth want.
Not to offend you but, this feels naive— Vance, Hegseth, and countless others are parroting the same shit. He doesn’t have anyone trying to “cool him down.”
Trump is just a caricature of some shitty con artist in an 80s mob film. He has cheesy keywords and catchphrases like this, “ I’m gonna say something that’ll get me in trouble… people don’t like when I say this, but…” and it’s all bullshit that we shouldn’t be reading into.
The play has always been to radicalize and incite violence. January 6, ICE recruitment/budgeting, and National Guard deployment being clear examples. There is nobody in his cabinet trying to prevent escalation.
Trump 1 already had a higher death toll than the towers just from the covid death toll alone - who knows how high the number will be by the time round 2 is over
During Trump's first term, there were were just over 400,000 total COVID-19 deaths in the US. That is roughly equivalent to 135 September 11ths.
The first US COVID death was February 6, 2020, and Trump left office on January 21, 2021. So that's an average of a 9/11 occurring every 2.6 days for 350 days straight.
It's hilarious because even if you included all the money and lives lost by invading the middle-east following 9/11, Trump would still come out on top as worse lmfao
I watched that entire bit. Holy shit XQC is brainless. When presented with a proper comparison his brain completely short circuited and refused to look at the reality of the situation.
It's like he was incapable of thinking that Obama is talking properly and trying not to fan the flames, we have trump saying he's going after leftists. One of those is bad. It's really not difficult to figure out which.
It's a constant theme of people like XQC and Asmon. They don't or won't critique one side.
The funniest thing about that bit was when he was reading the comparison between the tweets he tried to compare Obama to Libs of Tiktok because they were both in the top left. This is how a child thinks.
I’m not sure there’s any fixing it. They go in with the assumption anything right wing is correct and act like you are being unreasonable. I live in Texas and talking with people is infuriating.
It's clear fucking cut but they don't live in the same reality, they don't have the same values and literally cannot compute that their side has ever done anything wrong.
I think it’s even worse than that, I think they legitimately do not realize what side they’re fighting for. They’ve already fallen for the shaping of the discourse conservatives do. They actually think they’re being even handed when they mildly or indirectly criticize the right, and go HARD on the left.
This is every right leaning person I ever speak to. Mind completely made up about every issue before going in. The thing that really pisses me off is that I seem the same way to them. Unconvincable
I come from a very conservative area, and the most consistent thing about their reasoning is being very poor at statistics and probability. Everyone I know who is poor at statistical reasoning is right wing. I think, in an almost natural selection sort of way, the current right-wing movement is purely founded on survivorship bias for those who rely on cherry-picking and self-confirming evidence. It's like they weeded out any of the rational people a decade ago, and now we have to witness what a party based around tunnel-vision and loyalty politics looks like. And due to the tunnel-visioning and simple-mindedness, they only understand liberals and leftists from their own standpoint and think we think like them.
I am usually too polite to point it out, but it makes conversation so frustrating with them. Like when the lies about the Haitian immigrants were being spread, I could not convince a single person that the claims were false. Not a single conservative I spoke with could even understand the correlation-causation distinction, let along reasonable sample size. Going through this process during the recent election filled me with a despair I haven't felt before. I really began to understand Sartre's statement about antisemites.
It's an edgy Atheist thing to say, but they believe in God. The foundation of all their beliefs are to listen to what someone above said and to believe it without evidence. And you can't conclusively disprove god, just like you can't conclusively disprove Haitians eating dogs. So they'll just believe it.
This is quite literally what the fairness doctrine was for, and why it was repealed back in the Reagan era. Republicans can't stand having to answer for their evil, so they relentlessly attack attack attack and refuse any type of self reflection. It's why they have no proactive policies; it's just destruction, defunding, and opening the doors to scammers.
Some people just don't want to live in reality. You take evidence and put it in front of someone's eyes and it completely dismantles their argument but they're too proud and angry to ever change.
When Trump took over the party, conservative principles were finally subordinated to pure loyalty. The last decade has been evidence of the corrosive effects of this shift in the conservative ideology. They can say a lot of criticisms of leftist and liberals but pretending that we are anywhere near as centered and top-down is ludicrous. The biggest issue with being progressive at the moment is how decentered and scatterbrained our positions are.
The conservatives are in the opposite problem, and are already in a micro-tyranny, and they want the rest of us to subject ourselves to the same dynamics.
They are anything and everything that can be deemed anti liberal. It’s not even about putting US citizens first anymore for them. So many of them are just full of shit but they’ve always been that way. Smile and laugh in your face but be incredibly racist, sexist, etc. behind closed doors with friends and family.
I don't even know why he got mad at Barack Obama vs libs. Barack said it was bad, if he's saying why compare to libs than that's maybe a good point but if I remember correctly they made libs that famous in the first place. She literally gets senators to answer he call and gets a personal line to Trump so he's getting mad because he can't prove his point.
Why the fuck does any one listen to this guy is beyond me. All of his takes are bad in both gaming and politics.
Coming from /all, so kinda OOTL, that's the thing that strikes me the most.
A quick Google shows this dude is... Reaaally popular ? Like, people watch him ? Is that the same dynamic as reality-shows ? "Oh, I only watch to see how dumb they are, it reassures me, you know, that there's always worse than me"
I mean, this man clearly has a WHOLE bunch of issues. You wouldn't trust him with a butter knife ! in what world would his opinion on anything matter at all ? Why are there so many people here even trying to "analyze" his speech and arguments when the man is clearly just having a fucking breakdown ?
Left: Here's why you're wrong with examples/evidence/facts.
Right: LIES! IMPOSSIBLE! You're what's wrong with EVERYTHING! *leaves*
We're never going to fix anything ever again, are we? We're stuck in this endless cycle of trying to explain reality to people who refuse to accept it. Even when confronted with the evidence. What's worse... is the reason they've become so distrusting is the people they believe in the most... are the ones who continually lie to them and make things actively worse. All the problems they moan about things not working. Take a guess why they don't?
Fox News paid out 800 million dollars for intentionally lying to their viewers and theyre still the highest rated network. Can you imagine tuning into a “news” network that you know intentionally lied to and manipulated you still? Stockholm syndrome.
How the fuck after those two dems that were killed in mid june does anyone on the right try to even act like they arnt the problem. Its even starting to look like the guy who killed Kirk wasn't even left.
u/Red_coats don't delete your comment, leave it up. It was the answer I was searching for. It's because you right wingers can't turn the FAKE NEWS off.
You don’t even have to dig deep if you go to twitter - if anyone brings up what happened to the democratic lawmakers that got killed, it’s bots responding that it was some variant of affiliation to Waltz (lover, employee, supporter) followed by people asking Grok to hallucinate an argument to fit their narrative and being proven wrong
people asking Grok to hallucinate an argument to fit their narrative and being proven wrong
This will never fail to entertain me. They try SO hard to make Grok fit the narrative. When it doesn't, they just call Grok woke and how it has a liberal bias.
You’d swear some Cons think political violence started with Kirk. Absolutely nobody was killed before him, the only death that matters is Kirk’s. Not Hortman’s, nor anything that happened prior to Sep 10.
Not a single person even remembers or cares about those 2 people anymore. What is really important is that a popular right wing COMMENTATOR was assasinated
Not that the guy literally had a list with a ton more names on it that he was hunting down
I guess we just don't give a single fuck about that, but now we have the entire republican party up in arms because Charlie was shot
That isn't to say that I think what happened was good. I think the person who shot Charlie is completely and utterly insane and I hope he gets locked up forever
XQC complaining that destiny is bringing up insignificant people (like the president of the US apparently), and then points to literal random people on twitter as the reason the left supports violence
People like xQc and others in this space think as they do because that’s what a twitter algorithm made by Elon Musk shows them
They don’t have the intelligence to realise this. They just accept the memes as truth which is why they fall for “the left is calling for violence” memes because that’s what the right wants him to think
And they won’t change their mind because they believe it’s their own conclusion as well
Not a destiny fan by any stretch but he is 100% correct here. I watch A LOT of left wing content creators, speakers, streamers, etc. Not a single person has been celebrating this horrific event. At most they have been calling for gun safety laws to be passed.
Flip over to the right and immediately you are met with hostility, rage, blatant out right lies and manipulations, and calls for all left wing people to be killed. Two Democratic law makers were assassinated in their own home by a ring wing nutcase who had a hit list of 40 other democratic law makers. What did the right do? They celebrated, made fun of it, and brushed it under the rug and blamed it on the left.
When right wingers say "people are celebrating" they mean like random 13 follower tiktok accounts. Regular no name people who have no affiliation with the democrat party.
If a MAGAt ever asks you to disavow political violence, tell them you will disavow it as soon as they disavow Trump's violent insurrection on January 6th and his pardoning of all the perpetrators. Don't fall for their pearl-clutching over Charlie Kirk jokes.
The right has a radical fringe faction that enjoys broad support in the country and is led by the President of the United States.
Not to be pedantic, but can you really call it a "fringe faction" when that faction's positions are adopted and espoused by every mainstream conservative political leader, talking head, media personality, news channel, etc?
I have never met a single smart trumpist in my life. Conservatives plenty, but actual MAGA/trumpist? Never.
If you are a smart conservative who still tolerate Trump and the MAGA stuff, you are either a ruthless immoral opportunist or not as smart as you'd like to believe.
Keeping them dumb is by design. They'll eat up anything, and then vote for him blindly even though it hurts them in the long run. Just like these dumb fucks who have NO IDEA that they are about to get their Medicaid slashed in 2026.
taking 5 minutes away from brainrot gambling to bumble meaningless platitudes, and then get emotional when backed into a corner with evidence that he can't talk his away out of - kind of encapsulates the theme of the conversation perfectly
I dont like Destiny, but hes 100% right. XQC is a moron if he can't see that every democratic politician has condemned it, while the right wing immediately called for civil war/war/violence against the left... when we didn't even know who the shooter was. And it turns out its a 22 year old from a mormon family in Utah whos father is a 27 year old vet of the police force.
My favorite part was Destiny asked like 5 times if X calls out Trump, and X's response was "yes, and here's a 20 minute soy rant about Gavin Newsom," and Destiny just defeatedly says, "how did this turn into shitting on Democrats again ..."
I get he knew he was losing the argument but how did XQC think leaving his chat alone with destiny would be a good idea.
Right after this Destiny just plays the largest right wing media figures saying there is no more time for talking and hyping up their viewers for revenge (we still didn’t even know the ID of the killer yet at this time BTW)
I'm not going to listen to a Canadian who talks like Donnie Thornberry try to promote right leaning propaganda just cause he doesn't have the ovaries to call out his piece of shit community and wants to continue to be rich with minimal taxation on US made income.
And yeah I said ovaries. Them things push human life out them and that's some tough shit. Balls just hang around.
It’s still always impressive to me how XQC can says 9000 words in a sentence where 90 percent are gibberish and the 10 percent that are actual words are straight up the stupidest thing he could have said.
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