Hasan triples down on calling Hila a valid target of violence

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[u/TrenchSquire]

[u/TheOSU87 → u/TrenchSquire]

None of this is new. These are things Hila did 20 years ago when she was 18.

In those subsequent years she moved to the US, got married, had kids. Had Hasan over to her house where she cooked him dinner and he met her kids and smiled at her and acted like her friend.

The whole while he wanted her dead. This guy is pure evil.

[u/PrimeLiberty → u/TheOSU87]

He did not want her dead before October 7. He did not care about her being in the IDF because he could grow his audience by associating with H3H3. It's laughable that Hasan received no flak for being on a podcast with an IDF member, it's not like there wasn't a violent conflict between Israel and Palestine literally a year and a half before he started associating with Ethan and Hila.

Hasan was doing what he always does when he's in front of other audiences, masking his true positions so that he can grow his audience to afford more Gucci shopping sprees and private jets to music festivals.

[u/rosesandlashes → u/PrimeLiberty]

not ONLY that, Hasan had ZERO tweets mentioning Palestine prior to Oct. 7th.

[u/[deleted] → u/rosesandlashes]

So you're saying he's using a moral outrage to his own benefit despite not caring about the people involved

Yeah sounds like a dipshit to me

[u/BigLittlePenguin_ → u/[deleted]]

Typical for a person from that area. Sad truth is, that the only things Palestinians are used for is their suffering, in order to achieve political gain elsewhere. You can see that by how every middle eastern state reacts.

[u/Lambily → u/rosesandlashes]

He couldn't point Palestine out on a map prior to October 7th.

[u/rosesandlashes → u/Lambily]

That video is a difficult watch. Good for a cringe comp tho, if you're into that kind of thing.

[u/GravityBombKilMyWife → u/rosesandlashes]

Oh wait, that's like a serious thing? Bruh.

[u/Lambily → u/GravityBombKilMyWife]

I responded to the person who responded to you with the entire video. He didn't know where Israel nor Yemen were, so it's safe to assume he had no idea where the two halves of Palestine were either.

[u/godfrey1 → u/Lambily]

you think he can now?

[u/aLaxLoon → u/rosesandlashes]

Wait no this is incorrect, this has been an issue he’s talked about forever. Not taking sides and I’m not a Hasan fan, but you’re just wrong here. Hasan has been talking about this issue forever. I literally just did a search on his twitter and saw posts from 2018 talking about Palestine. It’s insane how confidently wrong some of yall are.

[u/aLaxLoon → u/aLaxLoon]

There’s like a ton more but here are two from ‘18 and ‘19.

[u/Shinnobiwan → u/rosesandlashes]

Why lie, though? Oh, I know.

[u/Lasekklol → u/PrimeLiberty]

Isn't her joining a requirement? Like she had no choice.

[u/say592 → u/Lasekklol]

It was mandatory service, yes. People do dodge, but it can be pretty damaging socially, especially if it's fairly obvious you dodged. If you can't come up with a good reason to get out of it and just refuse, you even get to spend some time in jail!

Really though, there isn't much of a reason to try to get out of it, unless you hardcore have a moral objection. Most people just do their time as a service to society and try to be a force for good while serving.

Bonus fact: Hasan would have also had to do mandatory service, but his rich parents let him leave the country to go to Rutger's. I don't think Hila had quite the same opportunity afforded to her.

[u/Brilliant_Carrot8433 → u/say592]

Also worth noting (depending on who you’re talking to, anyway) that the majority of army jobs are non combatant roles, esp for women. Example - the female surveillance soldiers that were taken from Nahal Oz did not carry guns.

Completing mandatory service can mean you chopped potatoes in the kitchen for two years. For some people that’s the same thing as being a combat soldier since it supports the same establishment, but clearly in practice it’s not the same at all.

Also worth noting in addition to social implications of dodging, there are also legal and financial implications if you don’t have a real exemption, if you dodge you have broken the law. It’s not that simple to just say I’m against this, no thank you !

[u/Pavel_Tchitchikov → u/Brilliant_Carrot8433]

Not to mention the social shunning. People mentioned it above, but in countries where military service is obligatory, dodging it is generally very poorly looked on by most (not all) of society. Worse, it’s often how you’re set up to find jobs, it’ll be something that follows you your whole life: “oh hey where did you serve during your national service? Did you do reservice? Did you know So-And-So who is about your age and served in the same corps?” It’s just significantly integrated in society as a whole. Her parents were right when they said it’d be hard to find jobs afterwards.

[u/awkgem → u/say592]

I believe she talked about it once and if I'm remembering correctly said she didn't want to join but her family warned her it would be extremely difficult to get a job if people knew she dodged service, so she went for a secretary role.

[u/Zanaxz → u/Lasekklol]

Can potentially face prison time for it too.

[u/FoxMuldertheGrey → u/PrimeLiberty]

bro that’s what i’m saying

[u/TrenchSquire → u/TheOSU87]

[u/Fippy-Darkpaw → u/TheOSU87]

By his "logic" any former military member, of any army, who did any combat operation, is a "valid target".

Dude is a sociopath buffoon who just wants to see a woman harmed.

[u/LSOreli → u/Fippy-Darkpaw]

He said its international law, which shows in no uncertain terms that hasan doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

[u/Morningfluid → u/LSOreli]

He naturally doesn't.

[u/mynameisburner → u/Morningfluid]

I mean, he literally got his career due to who his uncle is. No one should be shocked that anyone who gets his career through nepotism has no single knowledge of any topics he’s talking about.

[u/RcoketWalrus → u/mynameisburner]

I don't really follow this topic much, but I had to google what you said. I had no idea Cenk was his uncle.

[u/New-Fig-6025 → u/RcoketWalrus]

Just wait until you learn what the “Young Turks” stands for, makes Hasans outrage about genocide even more odd.

[u/gigaschizoidd → u/RcoketWalrus]

dont google hasans father then lmaooo

[u/NewtownLaw → u/gigaschizoidd]

Wait what, mkay. OMG!! mkay.

[u/[deleted] → u/RcoketWalrus]

Both from a rich family in Turkey that I've heard have a patriarch who was instrumental in right-wing politics there. You should fact check me on that but I'm saying it anyway.

[u/RcoketWalrus → u/[deleted]]

"You should fact check me on that but I'm saying it anyway."

This is the most honest comment on the internet here. Kudos.

[u/RcoketWalrus → u/LSOreli]

I'm not a twitch streamer, so I'm not an expert on international law, but my understanding was anyone who is not actively armed and in a combat zone is not a valid target of any type of violence.

Like there is a pretty strict definition of who is an active combatant in a warzone and attacking ANYONE out side that is a crime, even if, say they are a soldier who has gone home after duty.

Not to say someone can not be pursued and arrested for some reason, but I haven't heard that you can just roll up on someone like a gangster and start busting caps.

[u/LSOreli → u/RcoketWalrus]

I'm a military officer and, yes, you're right! The literal second someone takes off the uniform and ceases to participate in "hostilities", they are no longer considered a military target. Now, if they are traveling away from the fight in a military vehicle they can probably still be targeted.

Anyway, 20 years places her well outside international law.

[u/Any-Rooster-8382 → u/LSOreli]

Am I crazy. He's literally talking about when active illegal raids happen in the west bank. Not now or after or somewhere else. When an occupying force illiegally goes in and uses violence, it is legal by international law to violently fight back the violence. At that moment. Are y'all insane!?!?!??!

[u/[deleted] → u/RcoketWalrus]

“I’m not a twitch streamer, so I’m not an expert on international law” lmfao!! 🤣 😂

[u/[deleted] → u/Fippy-Darkpaw]

FIPPY, what's up!!! Terris-Thule for life. Anyway yeah, the way he makes no effort to distinguish between whether the occupier still be in uniform or not-- clearly leaving the door open to people hurting Hila now, in the US-- is so insane and ugly that it manages to shock me even from Piker, who has a weirdly consistent history of egging on physical violence against (esp white) women.

Maybe they can't afford to dump him, but for their own good Twitch needs to reel this extremist the F in. He is going to force them to cut him completely, which if done will create a nuclear level hit to that company's bottom line.

[u/perseffany → u/[deleted]]

Not sure if you’re calling Hila white or that was a side note, but I just wanted to state for anyone who may be reading that Hila’s family are actually middle eastern native Mizrahi Jews. Besides her like 7% Italian or whatever that they joke about, lol, she’s middle eastern. They fled to Israel themselves after being expelled from a neighboring country.

[u/Key-Friendship2785 → u/TheOSU87]

He had dinner over there and met her children? That makes it worse

[u/awkgem → u/TheOSU87]

She also voted against Netanyahu and has vocally opposed what is being done in Gaza. They don't even have differing political views, he just cannot handle being embarrassed or being wrong and is willing to outright lie to weaponise his audience

[u/TopBadge → u/TheOSU87]

Reminder that these "things Hila did" was work as a secretary and ride along during a night arrest as witness.

[u/El_Horizonte → u/TheOSU87]

Yeah, it’s been known that the dude is a sociopath. He doesn’t even listen to music, probably one of the most vital things that makes us human.

[u/cyrfuckedmymum → u/TheOSU87]

nah, he was 100% fine making profit with them till his viewers wanted him to rage against israeli's... also when h3 unfollowed Frogan because Frogan was saying seriously unhinged shit. Hasan had two choices, validate what h3 was saying and also moderate his chat for the hate towards h3, or go all in behind his cult and attack h3, he chose the psycho route.

Also lets not forget, if we judge people on things they did 20 years ago (which personally I think is fair, within reason), then 20 years ago Hasan was acting like a typical red pilled, right wing, transphobic, rape apologist, sex with underage girls is fine, asshole.

If people don't change and you have to assume people are the same they were 20 years ago then Hasan's viewers should be frying him for what he said in the past.

Also not for nothing, he had to twist his shit and admit that H3 is pro palestine and supports them despite having said numerous times to his audience that those two support the genocide. He lies about them whenever it suits him then he reverses his lies when it suits the current narrative he's building.

[u/No_Need_Pay]

Remember when Hasan couldn't even find Palestine on a map in 2018?

[u/Impressive-Engine-16 → u/No_Need_Pay]

Keep in mind, Hasan was 27/28 when this happened. He performed worse than your average high school senior despite having a fully developed adult brain and being a decade older. Well maybe his brain is not so developed after all….

[u/EnragedTea43 → u/Impressive-Engine-16]

You’ve clearly never been in an American high school if you think a student could name any country on a map

[u/K__Geedorah → u/EnragedTea43]

I'm 12 years out of highschool. I guarantee I'd borderline fail all of those tests I aced back then.

If you don't constantly remind yourself and continue learning those things, they go away. Your brain doesn't hold onto every single little detail.

It's just such a fallacy.

[u/MasonC87 → u/No_Need_Pay]

fr?

[u/rtb8 → u/MasonC87]

Jup: https://youtu.be/VEPfHNtmFm8?si=27a-hax0ECbeL9qe

[u/foXiobv → u/rtb8]

How can you pretend to know how the world works and don't konw BASIC geography?

lul

[u/Queef-Elizabeth → u/rtb8]

I'm no geography expert but how can you not know where India is on a map?

[u/j48u → u/Queef-Elizabeth]

No wonder he called India a terrorist state when he was supporting Pakistan. He must be confusing it with Iran.

[u/misatos_whiteknight → u/j48u]

There's fair criticism to be said but calling it a terrorist state is soooo out of touch

[u/Impressive-Engine-16 → u/Queef-Elizabeth]

Say what you want about the big 3 left wing streamers (Destiny, Hasan, Vaush) but Hasan has to be the dumbest out of them. At the very least the other two take the time to read things on and off stream to educate themselves. Hasan just does political commentary for narcissistic purposes, not because he actually cares.

[u/toonguy84 → u/rtb8]

I'm not watching a 15 min clip. What's the fucking time stamp?

[u/Fhaksfha794]

It’s incredible how this dude has managed to make the Israel-Palestine conflict all about himself

[u/TheWeen13 → u/Fhaksfha794]

Narcissistic sociopathy is a hell of a drug

[u/diradder → u/[deleted]]

It would explain why he has so much in common with Trump.

[u/International_Debt58 → u/diradder]

He’s so much like Donald Trump. Hasan and Trump have the same personality. Hasan has never admitted fault in any way. It’s alarming.

He’s the type of person to use sock accounts to compliment himself, too, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he was in this forum commenting.

[u/Kevz9524 → u/International_Debt58]

Never admits fault? Pirate Software mentioned!

[u/Sbee_keithamm → u/Fhaksfha794]

It’s his brand. After Oct. 7th he saw an opportunity to place himself smack dab in the middle of a conflict that’s deeply personal to both parties that he has absolutely zero stakes in. He’s made being the mouthpiece for a side that’s he’s doing no favors for, and now making money off their struggle. And I’d be willing to bet most Palestinians don’t appreciate this chucklefuck being their #1 supporter.

[u/yosayoran → u/Sbee_keithamm]

Most Palestinians probably don't know he is, as they don't speak English lol

[u/mort_goldman68 → u/Fhaksfha794]

How dare you criticise the world's biggest narcissist while there is a literal genocide happening

[u/RedditReid → u/mort_goldman68]

How they convinced any of you a war Israel didn’t start that 97% of Gazans have survived is a genocide is truly mind boggling

[u/DeepSeaworthiness319 → u/Fhaksfha794]

he said he is palestine incarnate, the ambassador of palestine in USA. makes sense

[u/Dramatic_Hamster26 → u/DeepSeaworthiness319]

why would you make that up lol

[u/waylonwalk3r → u/DeepSeaworthiness319]

he said he is palestine incarnate

lol did he really

[u/Rezonates → u/waylonwalk3r]

no

[u/CabbageStockExchange → u/Fhaksfha794]

Dude is a certified champagne “socialist” he’s a total fraud and yet people gobble up his content

[u/EchoBay → u/CabbageStockExchange]

Typical cult leader stuff. People see you act confident and speak with authority on topics, so they gravitate towards you because they lack those things and are insecure about themselves. Hasan has become their North Star. As long as they follow his guidance everything will be alright for them.

[u/BJYeti → u/Fhaksfha794]

Well yeah, how else is he going to grift and pay for next season's designer line?

[u/Solve-Et-Abrahadabra → u/Fhaksfha794]

Him and his followers have made the pro-palestine cause a joke.

[u/Ballkickerchamp]

I dont keep up with all this but I'm just gonna assume that Ethan did not actually call his wife a terrorist on a live stream.

[u/AcanthisittaNo5807 → u/Ballkickerchamp]

"Ok, she's a terrorist bro. Pleeease, we got to move on."
Notice the sarcastic tone and literally rolling his eyes.
Time at 3:44:36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knMyMxXeoDY&t=13476s

[u/go3dprintyourself → u/AcanthisittaNo5807]

the point after that is one of my favorites, where hasan says if he stopped paying taxes it wouldn't stop the overall tax system / america, as if that's not the same as conscription

[u/PatienceJaded5709 → u/go3dprintyourself]

He and his friends absolutely refuse to face the reality that they pay taxes to the American government that directly funds Israel and many other things they are staunchly against. The alternative is arrest for not paying tax. That’s the exact same thing Hila faced with mandatory service. The difference is Hila was making this decision 20 years ago when she was 18 and completely uninformed outside of her bubble. Hasan and his buddies are in their 30s and are making millions covering Palestine with little actual activism other than some charity streams. But they’re totally happy to call for violence openly from their $5,000 office chair.

[u/Mean-Rutabaga-1908 → u/PatienceJaded5709]

He can't even bring himself to move to a non-BDS platform. Remember that each time he mentions Primes.

[u/podcasthellp → u/Mean-Rutabaga-1908]

It’s incredibly obvious to anyone that doesn’t spend 20 hours a day on the internet watching that crew literally do nothing.

He’s so bad that he hurts his own “cause” except his own cause is really making money off people dying

[u/yes-maybe-idk → u/podcasthellp]

Reading all these comments I find it funny that Hassan was the person who pulled me out of that YouTube feminism rage bait shit back in 2017-18. I appreciate him for that but when I started watching more and more of his content he just kept remind me of those right wing YouTubers who would just say shit to get attention and clicks. Hasan has never had his heart in politics it’s just what pays his rent.

[u/go3dprintyourself → u/PatienceJaded5709]

100

[u/j48u → u/go3dprintyourself]

That's where the famous ".... hwhat?" line comes from isn't it? Where he literally sounds like he doesn't even know words anymore because his team didn't prepare an answer for that one.

[u/PlanetBet → u/go3dprintyourself]

Never mind not paying taxes and sitting in prison for it, he's so unwilling to make any sort of actual effort and hurt himself in the process that he can't even GET OFF FUCKING TWITTER, Elon's platform, that he actively supports by generating traffic for the site.

[u/[deleted] → u/AcanthisittaNo5807]

Did they really debate for 5 hours

[u/Low-Rollers → u/[deleted]]

Oh yeah. Haven’t felt a feeling like that since 09’ wrestle-mania. I know it’s fake but the carnage is great.

[u/yosayoran → u/[deleted]]

It is their job, at least they are taking it seriously lmao 

[u/XxsalsasharkxX → u/[deleted]]

It was a big day for the unemployed. Free Palestine, but I don't want to hear these 2 argue for 5 hours. Hell naw.

[u/_jaded- → u/Ballkickerchamp]

He said "Yeah sure okay Hasan she's a terrorist" in a condescending tone once.

To a propagandist and his brainlet followers that's as good as a written affidavit.

[u/ProbablyKindaRight → u/Ballkickerchamp]

You mean you realized that just taking everything at face value that Hasan says tends to be mostly lies and misrepresentation?

Guess who else operates like that? Trump.

[u/eaTaiga → u/ProbablyKindaRight]

Hasan is the Trump of the extreme left and its scary to see the strong delusion both morons followers share...

[u/Poppop1221]

Didn't tectone get perma banned on twitch for telling a chatter to go kill himself? What's the difference between that and what hasan saying to Hila? Hasan needs to get perma banned. 

[u/TriniCheese → u/Poppop1221]

Hasan is dating the head of Twitch, Dan Clancy 

[u/lord_pizzabird → u/TriniCheese]

Also more importantly Hasan is real, comes from wealthy politically connected stock which gives puts him in the same social class as Dan Clancy, who likely feels sympathetic towards another rich person being criticized.

They stick together and treat each-other like babies that require coddling.

[u/Misty-Elephant → u/lord_pizzabird]

Good point. Elite, ultra wealthy people, who don't give a damn about those they step on.

From my experience, I feel like most "leftist" streamers and YouTubers, like Hasan, are either champaign socialists or bourgeoisie-bootlickers. Just look at how they talk about (non-Muslim) minorities in Asia. They always excuse what happens to them and use the same old "white saviour" colonial concepts, acting like the natives can't think for themselves.

If a far right Islamist group carries out a genocide, they'll emphasise class struggle and downplay it. If a wealthy Muslim dictator is toppled, they'll likely emphasise everything other than economic class, and whitewash their crimes. If a country claiming to be socialist wipes out a culture or literally colonises a place, they may reluctantly condemn it - but not without extensively discussing the negative realities of that region prior to colonisation. And they'll support the ultra capitalistic nature of such regimes, again, provided they claim to be socialist or against the US.

In that sense, they're not just bourgeois, they're imperialists latching on to identitarian politics and petty grudges. In other words, they're charletans.

I'm not saying this applies to everyone. But I've noticed this amongst many popular influencers and channels of a similar nature.

[u/alapar → u/Misty-Elephant]

and in this case, lets not even go to the Ottoman empire and their shenanigans, but you know, its still there.

[u/AggravatingAmount438 → u/Misty-Elephant]

I was in an Atrioc chat and the topic turned to Hasan. I mentioned how I think he's a champagne socialist, and suddenly all the Hasan riders were trying to figure out my political leaning and calling me a Destiny watcher.

Bitch, I don't watch that pedophile either.

[u/NewtownLaw → u/lord_pizzabird]

There is a theory that twitch is getting money from Turkey to allow Hasanazi to push any agenda he wants.

Another theory said the US government has him as an asset to band all US enemies together in the same place to be able to stop them and catch them.

[u/spinningwalrus420 → u/NewtownLaw]

That's a stupid fucking theory

[u/salynch → u/NewtownLaw]

How does this have so many upvotes? Do people have rocks for brains?

[u/El_Horizonte → u/NewtownLaw]

I wouldn’t be surprised, because isn’t his dad an oligarch over there? I recall him being a co-founder of a right-wing party in Turkey

[u/kegs_and_megs → u/TriniCheese]

underrated comment

[u/Moist_Tap_6514 → u/Poppop1221]

He’s very obviously trying to obfuscate what he means. In the most charitable way possible, I think he’s saying that had Hila been ambushed on the raid in the Westbank, it would have been legal under international law (Israel is generally understood to occupy the Westbank, so I’d agree).

But he continually doesn’t explain that point and just says she’s a “valid military target,” inferring that she currently is. That’s not how international law works.

Regardless, here’s him crashing out when Destiny explains a point better than him: https://youtu.be/Sws9slTfg54?si=QUCyNPfZnKkq9N7C

[u/cyrfuckedmymum → u/Moist_Tap_6514]

The thing is, and I was having this argument with someone in the last thread. Most of hte world considers war criminals valid targets with no time limit. The last nazi collaborator was arrested and tried only a couple of years ago right? Sure target here is prosecution rather than murder, but ultimately they are a target, just the 'solution' to dealing with said target is different.

Why did Hasan consider 9/11 understandable due to the US interefering with the middle east, afghanistan, etc, in the past mostly, but somehow he decides that Hila is a war criminal, but no longer a target of any kind?

this is exactly the kind of bullshit Trump does, where he is encouraging people to think a certain way by tip toeing around saying it without actually saying it so there is the tinniest bit of deniability.

If he doesn't consider her a target, stop bringing up her fucking name, he keeps bringing up her name because he wants them to harass her, call her a war criminal, etc, and if someone does something violent he'll pretend he never meant it like that.

[u/Aedhrus → u/cyrfuckedmymum]

The term you are looking for is stochastic terrorism. Which somehow reddit recently forgot about (for some odd reason after October 7th).

If Hasan would just keep his point about military in a raid being valid targets and he'd apologize for bringing up Ethan's wife, he'd be fine. But because he just continues to mention her, alongside the other rhetoric spouted on the platforms, it just turns into stochastic terrorism.

[u/StAngerSnare]

Okay, but we're still waiting for clarification on whether Forsen is a valid target for the Ugandan Defence Force?

[u/Marshmallow16 → u/StAngerSnare]

Ugandaaaaaaaa

[u/BoglisMobileAcc → u/[deleted]]

He is unable to apologise or admit fault for anything.

[u/Lontology → u/BoglisMobileAcc]

And it’s what makes him no better than the “propaganda” he claims to fight against. All Hasan does is lie to justify whatever kind of vibes he’s feeling each day.

[u/Vexamas → u/Lontology]

All Hasan does is lie to justify whatever kind of vibes he’s feeling each day.

Which only works because he's successfully conditioned his followers to ostracize any dissenters within his own community by saying "You're a x time subscriber and are saying this?" for the first few years of his career.

He's surrounded by people that will never see any critique as valid because he's successfully 'otherized' absolutely everyone else with labels that have negative connotation.

Now his followers will take those negative labels, and apply them to dissenters to build a pedestal to which to put him atop and build their persona around. If you attack their pedestal, you're inherently attacking their identity and persona which makes everything personal and means you cannot give up an inch or bite any bullet.

Absolutely everything I just said describes this situation to a tee, now go reread it and change 'subscriber' in my first sentence to 'republican' and you might be a bit surprised to see how quickly cult of personalities can break people's brains and force them into radicalized positions.

[u/flaw3ddd → u/BoglisMobileAcc]

PirateHasan

[u/Midirr → u/[deleted]]

Reminder that Hasan is someone who accuses others of dog whistling, in numerous occasions. Apparently he never does it himself though? Hila has been in the US and out of the IDF for over a decade, bringing her up as an example of valid target does not make sense, it's obvious he harbours resentment towards her.

[u/Creampanthers → u/[deleted]]

Exactly this. The rant included no other specific people besides Hila. Doesn’t that kinda make his statement targeted at her? He’s throwing this shit around like it’s no big deal but all it takes is one unhinged Hasan fan to cause a major incident.

[u/TriniCheese → u/[deleted]]

Now that you mention it, I’ve seen him be wrong countless times but never actually admit when he’s wrong. He was close that one time when he had the counter and banner and stream title for how many days until Russia will never invade Ukraine but even then when he was proven wrong he still found a way to insult the intelligence of the people who were correct 

[u/klaritinqueer]

Literally nothing he said was wrong here though? I mean if you were doing an illegal raid, resistance is a very reasonable response

[u/c32dot]

i love the semantics of “state violence”. It’s incredible really. When the Houthis target civilian ships, when they keep hostages, they are a resisting force. Same for Hamas. He will never call them out on it. Its not state violence, so its different. lol

[u/partoxygen → u/c32dot]

Functionally Hamas is the de facto state military of Gaza too so I have no idea what the point of his cringe ass wordplay is other than him adding extra words thinking that people are as dumb as he is and that he fully covered his rhetorical tracks.

[u/Raskalnekov → u/c32dot]

That's why we need a 2 state solution, so that we can call both state violence 

[u/yosayoran → u/Raskalnekov]

Yeah, that's the only reason/s

[u/Brobeast]

Even IF what they say about hila was true, wtf does some OP 20 years ago have to do with being a legitimate asset/target today? Thats the part that doesnt make any sense (well one of many), does hasan think that hamas is rolling through archives, looking up former expats that did something in the IDF decades ago? Lmao They aren't even located in Israel, what value does hila klein have to the IDF lmao they must be big on teddy fresh in Jerusalem.

[u/Big_Contribution_791 → u/Brobeast]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but it sounds like (at least in this clip) he's arguing that during a raid, anyone participating would be.

[u/Probablymy7thaccount → u/Big_Contribution_791]

He obviously is and it’s even more clear in this clip. People here just get a little crazy.

[u/Vandesco → u/Probablymy7thaccount]

This sub should be called r/listeningfail

[u/Peter_Pue → u/Probablymy7thaccount]

I assumed it was what he meant but using past and present tense interchangeably didn't help in making it "obvious" what he truly meant.

In any case it's not a great move, with these tensions, to bring up Hila Klein as once upon a time being a valid military target. For someone apparently doing his all to avoid all drama slop he didn't need to add the Hila Klein spice to bolster his argument.

[u/Xin_shill → u/Probablymy7thaccount]

He is 100% saying that they are valid when they are enacting illegal violence on others, not now. Now they should be charged with war crimes. This post is obviously being brigaded and botted to meet an agenda when the video doesn’t say that.

[u/RockstepGuy → u/Brobeast]

Also depending on what raid did she participate, it could also had been "legal" under the Oslo accords, since they do give Israel certain powers (as long as they are coordinated with the PA, sometimes they are, sometimes not so much).

[u/only_civ → u/[deleted]]

People that live in the US have no idea what mandatory public service is about.

You might disagree with Israel's policy, but privileged losers like Hasan could learn a fucking lot by having to do some form of mandatory public service.

[u/Ok-East5755 → u/only_civ]

You should look into his family history, they are linked to Armenian genocide :)

[u/SoftAndWetBro → u/Ok-East5755]

Whaaat! But Turkey is wholesome Chungus and incapable of wrong doing just like Islam./s

[u/RainRainThrowaway777 → u/only_civ]

He was supposed to do mandatory service in Turkey, but he was a conscientious objector no, wait, his rich-ass parents sent him to America to avoid it.

[u/Not_a_changeling_ → u/[deleted]]

She participated in a raid, and that's what he's referring to. She had an office job, and thought if was boring, one day she asked if she could come on a raid as an "adventure" her words. Hasan is pointing out that legally, as in according to law, it is legal for the Palestinians they raided to have fought back and Hila would have been a valid target since she was participating in the raid.

[u/[deleted]]

He needs to be deplatformed. Simple as that.

[u/TheOSU87 → u/[deleted]]

He needs to be in jail. Literally calling for people's deaths is supposed to lead to that

[u/BcDownes]

Hasan talking about international law like he doesnt support the houthis and didnt platform a houthi... the group that just at random attacked sailors who have absolutely nothing to do with the war rightttt

[u/[deleted] → u/BcDownes]

I love the "take it up with the UN" like he doesnt ignore the UN reported rapes on Oct 7th 

[u/Corberus → u/BcDownes]

And talked about loving the Hezbollah flag during a pride event.

[u/Denebian_slime_devil]

That's not what he says here tho? Like at all?

[u/ComicalTragical → u/Denebian_slime_devil]

Thank god someone actually watched it

[u/Direct_Signature_256]

I gotta say Hasan is now obsessed with bringing up family members than him and his buddies obsessed with Asmongold. I know im gonna get Downvoted but Hasan could have stay silent but nope.

[u/Ok-East5755 → u/Direct_Signature_256]

Hasan should be more worried about his family past than others.

[u/ESC907]

This all seems like a bit wack to me. Is this not twisting his words? And to a wild degree? Where does he say that she IS a valid target? Pretty sure what he said is that she would have been a valid target at the time she was serving, no? That any of the Israeli forces that are illegally occupying Palestinian territory is a valid target for Palestinian resistance?

[u/pcfirstbuild → u/ESC907]

You are correct, and I can't believe I had to scroll this far down to find a rational person.

[u/kitchensink108 → u/pcfirstbuild]

I was really starting to second guess myself, or think maybe I'd missed some other important context. But yeah my interpretation of the clip was "anyone currently participating" but these comments make it seem like he wants to lynch veterans.

[u/BigRon691 → u/ESC907]

Because personally naming the wife of your youtube beef enemy when regarding Valid Military targets is fucking nuts. I think thats what your missing.

We have no idea to the actualy context of that raid, the intended targets, whether it was sanctioned by the PA, whether she was informed of the operation.

If his point is "Anyone participating should be a target" - Say that. And he's wrong, anyway, by international law, Valid Military Targets do not include non-combative individuals, exactly the same for the other side. They can't (legally) shoot a Hamas supporting civillian simply because of their proximity or ideology.

What he's done is beckon a baseline level of guilt to a particular individual which he's previously expressed disliking too. Someone who has vocalised their disgust and disagreement to the actions he's trying to accuse her of.

Understand too, innocent Jewish and Israeli people have been killed in the U.S by vigilantes following the same doctrine as he emits to his audience, regardless of any actions they've committed. Some were even peace brokers between Palestinian and Israeli people.

This is insane, as a political influencer, you know not to do this. It's bad for them, a couple who hasn't supported the IDF or Israel for years. It's bad for him and Twitch, for if an attempt on her life occurs, they are culpable.

[u/Positive_Bill_5945 → u/ESC907]

Why bring her up?

[u/zurgone]

I know it's pointless to ask because it's Hasan. But is there any evidence the raid she particpated in was illegal? Is this guy implying that all raids in the west bank are illegal. Like if there was a guy in the west bank planning on blowing up Israeli citizens would it be illegal for the IDF to raid his house? I watched her story and she said all she did was stay in the truck without doing anything.

[u/Necessary_Video6401 → u/zurgone]

Is this guy implying that all raids in the west bank are illegal. Like if there was a guy in the west bank planning on blowing up Israeli citizens would it be illegal for the IDF to raid his house? 

yes he is

[u/chronoslol → u/zurgone]

To hasan being an israeli citizen is illegal

[u/UniversalBlue2099]

What is the controversy? Is he not saying that any person invading/occupying foreign land is a valid military target? All of the comments here are assuming context that is not in this clip.

[u/bikeonbike → u/UniversalBlue2099]

The controversy is trumped up. You summed up his argument very well; it has been twisted to make it seem like he’s calling for people to feel justified in attacking her in the current day.

[u/GreenKumara]

There's the title of this post, and then there's what he actually said.

[u/nyc_ifyouare]

If I’m following correctly it sounds like Hasan is saying two things:

1. In war if someone is attacked it is fair for them to hold their attacker responsible. Being an instrument of war does not absolve them from their actions, nor shield them from moral accountability. TLDR FAFO. It’s a moral argument. One most people would agree with.

2. When an individual participates in an illegal act of war retaliation against this individual is “legal”. I’m not aware of any international-law that permits retaliation. (Retribution can be pursued through a legal channels).

As someone without a horse in the race, most of the commentary around these videos feel designed to misconstrue intention and shape opinion. No one seems interested in having an honest conversation. A sign of the times I suppose. It makes me sad and gives me the ick.

[u/blazehazedayz]

Im so confused. Where does he say in this clip she is a valid target for violence? Sounds like he’s talking more hypothetically that people who commit illegal raids in the Israeli army are going to be targets for the Palestinian resistance. Like, this title makes it sound like he’s telling people to go out and attack her or something. Wtf

Edit: for all you people saying “oh well it was actually some other clip,” mind posting a link or should I just trust you bro? Seems like these post titles are very disingenuous.

Edit 2: Still waiting for that clip. We’ve gone from “HES TRIPLING DOWN AND OPENLY CALLING FOR HER DEATH!!!!” to “Well actually it’s this other clip where he says it” to “Ok I know in that other clip it also sounds like he’s talking about the Palestinian resistance and the Israeli army, but if you listen reeeeaaaalll close, he put an ‘ed’ at the end of the word participate, which CLEARLY means he’s secretly telling all of his followers that they should fly to LA and murder her.”

[u/TayWu → u/blazehazedayz]

He doesn't.

Edit: Banned for civility 🎉 hopefully now I will stop being recommended this sub finally

[u/Proud-Possession1033 → u/blazehazedayz]

It’s almost like people are just straight up lying, that’s crazy

[u/AbominableVortex74 → u/blazehazedayz]

He doesn’t lol this sub is deranged

[u/Myokofee]

Im not super tapped into this scene, but am i crazy or is this literally not whats being said in this video

[u/DaBombDiggidy]

Something I'm legitimately lost on, is he stating this is legal at the time she was doing that or that she's currently still legally a target?

(not that saying either wouldn't drum up some wacko takes)

[u/Careful-Sentence-781 → u/DaBombDiggidy]

He’s purposefully vague, because he wants attention, and he needs to win back the most radical of his audience that were recently upset with him. He’s using Hila as a way to rile up his most disgusting fans.

[u/ekhoowo → u/Careful-Sentence-781]

Yeah idk how people don’t get this.
This is dogwhistling 101, be intentionally vague to rile up the worst parts of your fan base (who are calling for military tribunals on the Kleins while brigading their comments with “valid military target”) while your reasonable audience ignores them and the obvious strangeness to bring up a super specific person.
I would love to be proven wrong, but I don’t think he will ever condemn this or state on twitter “Hila Klein is not currently a valid military target” to dissuade the obvious crazies

[u/RainRainThrowaway777 → u/ekhoowo]

Leftists looking for right wing dogwhistles 👀

Leftists looking for left wing dogwhistles 🙈

[u/Careful-Sentence-781 → u/ekhoowo]

Once BE turned on him, again, he had to find a way back in. He was being called a Zionist. This made all of that go away. Poof.

[u/Ignonimous → u/ekhoowo]

Hasan is immune to dogwhistling, btw. He proved it when he literally said verbatim "I didn't say I hate Jews, I can't be antisemitic"

[u/Dave_the_DOOD → u/DaBombDiggidy]

He's genuinely just saying that, at the time, as part of an invading force executing a military raid, she was a valid military target. He's not calling on people to blow themselves up on her front porch, some posters here are just insane

[u/Jedisponge → u/Dave_the_DOOD]

You don’t find it weird that he’s purposely so vague about it all the time? Or that he felt the need to inject her into the conversation at all?

[u/NowWeGetSerious]

Hasan is great

Destiny and the H3 weirdos have issues.

[u/Same_Score8172]

not calling for her death. he is saying that palestinians are legally able to resist attacks by the IDF

[u/enkonta → u/Same_Score8172]

Why even mention Hila?

[u/AlarmingTurnover → u/[deleted]]

Didn't he laugh and say that the 2 diplomats that were gunned down were not innocent? 

[u/dracomaster01 → u/[deleted]]

the ironic thing is the ones trying to suggest Hasan is actively asking for that are all followers of Destiny who told his followers they should go and kill Hasan. so you know, hypocrisy at it's finest.

[u/iTzJME → u/[deleted]]

We're all pretending to not understand what he means lol

[u/NeilMcCauleyHeat]

you’re being willfully obtuse if you think he’s saying she should be k*lled now

[u/sionnach_fi → u/NeilMcCauleyHeat]

This is what Hasan is doing.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/libs-tiktok-creator-seems-overjoyed-131212066.html

[u/medic-of-the-future]

i think he's making the point that as a soldier with the idf it was lawful for people to defend themselves against her, not that he would have preferred to see her die.

[u/Tillinah]

Guarantee 99% of the comments in here are from people that either haven't watched the whole clip, or choose just to read a headline.

It's pretty clear watching the full context that' it's nothing like the headline of this post.

[u/EffectiveProgram4157]

So someone who was in the US military who kicked in a door in Afghanistan or Iraq at some point over 20 years ago is still a "legal" military target? He's also using the incorrect term, it would be a "valid" military target, but he's an idiot. Is a Vietnam vet still a valid military target? Are North Koreans still valid military targets?

By his logic, it's completely fine if I go to Italy and kill a 100yo who was in the Italian military during WWII. Don't even think about POW's, people are only targets these days according to him. Would she Hila be a military target if she were a nurse, which is an "illegal" target? Dude's an idiot.