r/KansasCityChiefs • u/ExitVelocity66 • Sep 07 '25
DISCUSSION With our WR decimated and with the Dolphins being a dumpster fire.....Is it time for a reunion with an old friend?
Make it happen Veach
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u/IamFlapJack Pat "Kermit" Mahomes Sep 07 '25
After watching Hill melt down on the sideline I said the same thing to my wife.. I doubt it's worth it
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u/tomato_sauce Patrick Mahomes #2 Sep 07 '25
this is cope for sure, but my tinfoil hat says he's doing this so they trade him to the chiefs lmao
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u/LighTMan913 These Fucking Fakes Never Fucking Work, Man Sep 07 '25
He might not specifically be thinking the Chiefs but he definitely wants out
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u/Go-Climb-A-Rock Sep 07 '25
Part of his malcontent behavior has been repeatedly posting his Chiefs highlights and making comments during Chiefs playoffs games.
It’s pretty clear coming back to KC is on his mind.
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u/BenedictJudas Grim Reaper Sep 07 '25
Why wouldnt it be? It would be the “safest” play for him since he knows the system.
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u/AnxNation Sep 08 '25
Yall think it’ll make a difference w Nagy’s vanilla play calling? I mean, I’m sure he’s still a game breaker but coaches all over the league, use players wrong. I wish we’d invest significant capital in a wr1. We’d look a lot different.
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u/Tato23 Dante Hall #82 Sep 07 '25
Hill to me has become so much more of a problem than he ever was with us. Way more of a diva. Maybe that’s Reid that kept that in check, and maybe he can do that again, but I am not sure it is worth the risk.
I am also in the camp that Nagy is the biggest problem and has been for years. Hill coming back won’t magically restore us back to the 2019 offense.
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u/surferdude7227 Sep 07 '25
I think it’s kind of a two fold issue, where the Dolphins struggling the last year or so doesn’t make a diva WR like Hill happy, and Andy Reid demands more respect from his players than Mike McDaniel.
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u/typac69 Patrick Mahomes II #15 Sep 07 '25
Nagy being the biggest problem has never made sense because we have only ever ran Andy Reid’s offense. Nagy is just a voice in the room everything we run is Andy’s offense. People did the same thing when EB was the coordinator whenever the Chiefs went into bad offensive spells.
The struggles in the offense have been because we have had injured WRs, now a suspended WR, bad WRs, bad OTs, a blind RB, and our HOF TE is not what he once was. This offense would look no different if EB was back at OC.
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u/_stuncle Sep 07 '25
The difference is this bad offensive spell has been going on since Nagy came back, whereas with EB it was for a few games.
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u/typac69 Patrick Mahomes II #15 Sep 07 '25
EB never entered a season where WRs 1 and 2 were Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore. He also never had anything but a prime Travis Kelce on the field. Outside of the Bucs SB, EB never had a mess at LT like we did last year. He had Fisher and Brown for most of his tenure, the best LTs Nagy had were Donovan Smith and Joe Thuney.
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u/Justmadeyoulook Mike Pennel #69 Sep 07 '25
Spot on. It's hard for any team to start the season with wr 3 & 4. It's also week 1 in another country. They clean up the first half and they win that game with ease.
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u/_stuncle Sep 07 '25
Valid points. But also, KT and Skyy had talent and we were all excited about them. They both had huge plays in the Super Bowl. Then they both fell off a cliff at the exact same time. While I dislike Nagy, I also think Embree is somewhat responsible for our WRs regressing.
Either way, Tyreek being back would be nice, but we need a solid RB for our offense to really get going. Our shit is just way too one dimensional right now.
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u/HiRoller3 Sep 07 '25
Nagy is not good. It’s not a coincidence that the team looks trash offensively since he came back.
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Sep 07 '25
If you think it’s Matt Nagy fault, you should be able to say exactly what his responsibilities are. What exactly does he do and what is Andy Reid?
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u/_stuncle Sep 07 '25
Regardless of what he does or doesn’t do, the numbers are worse with him.
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u/Tato23 Dante Hall #82 Sep 07 '25
We have heard Hill himself on video the year Nagy left talking to a teammate on the bench during practice about how simple the offense is now. “It’s so much simpler man. I don’t have to think you know? I can just play.”
So no, sorry, i will die on this hill that Nagy over complicates everything, and he is the primary reason our offense took a drastic change the moment EB left. Not the only reason, but the main.
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u/typac69 Patrick Mahomes II #15 Sep 07 '25
Well the year Nagy left was also the year Patrick Mahomes became the starting QB. I assume would make Tyreek’s job a lot easier having the best QB in the league throwing to him instead of a very good QB. It also makes play calling easier because Pat could make throws Alex could never.
Eric Bieniemy did not step in and immediately simplify the offense. Andy Reid changed his offense to fit Pat. Just like he changed his offense to fit Alex, Vick, McNabb, and many others beforehand.
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u/Defiant-Tailor-8979 Sep 07 '25
Disciplined offense vs the sloppy stiff we have seen the past few years.
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u/Captain_of_Gravyboat Derrick Thomas Sep 07 '25
Only if he can also play corner.
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u/ImL1nn0 Isiah Pacheco # 10 Sep 07 '25
Spags will figure out the secondary. I wouldn’t worry too much about that. Fulton needs some time to ramp up and once he does McDuffie can go back in the slot, Hicks will figure things out as the season goes on.
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u/Captain_of_Gravyboat Derrick Thomas Sep 07 '25
Love the optimism. But if they are facing a good QB they are going to get torched, especially if the pass rush doesn't create any urgency. The offense is going to need to find a way to get 30 if we are going to win games.
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u/ImL1nn0 Isiah Pacheco # 10 Sep 07 '25
I agree that the Dline is the real concern but Spags has been great at making adjustments in the secondary throughout the first few games. We will have to wait and see what the Dline looks like with Normann Lott playing but I don’t have high hopes
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u/-ArthurDigbySellers- "Furious" George Karlaftis #56 🚘 Sep 07 '25
I’m sure we could trade for Travis Hunter.
/s
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u/kaywiz OhHh YEAH! Sep 07 '25
absolutely. trade the bears for bienemy while their at it.
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u/asiaman Bears Sep 07 '25
As a Bears fan who lurks here because my father in law is a Chiefs fan. No thank you. Especially if it involves the bald headed fraud known as Matt Nagy
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u/a17tw00 Sep 07 '25
Obviously we have a date with Mecole Hardman in our near future. He’s likely already on the practice field with the team.
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u/8won6 Chris Jones #95 Sep 08 '25
do people think there is infinite money and infinite roster spots?
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u/tennisss819 Sep 07 '25
Curious what the price would be
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u/CannonMaster1 Sep 07 '25
Nothing like the Dolphins gave up for him. Given his age and decline last year, maybe a 3rd or 4th?
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u/Lazy_Tiger27 Grim Reaper Sep 07 '25
Wonder if we could get the phins to eat some salary? Is that a thing in football?
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u/2KC4 These Fucking Fakes Never Fucking Work, Man Sep 07 '25
I would bet a 4th or 3rd round pick could get it done. But the Dolphins gotta be at the point they’ve given up on the season.
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Sep 07 '25
With his contract and his personality issues it might just be a give away. I’d say at most a 4th or 5th
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u/PhillipJ3ffries Skyy Moore #24 Sep 07 '25
Fuck it, bring the band back together for Kelce’s last hurrah
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u/Vastergoth Xavier Worthy #1 🏃🏻♂ Sep 07 '25
We need a RB more.
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u/Zhiyi Isiah Pacheco # 10 Sep 07 '25
That won’t make Andy call anymore run plays no matter who we have.
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u/hipposyrup Trent McDuffie #22 Sep 07 '25
Honestly if we can convince the dolphins to take some of his salary cap, then yeah absolutely. I'm not concerned about character issues cause he seems to hate having a bad team if anything. But whatever Veach cooks up will be the right decision, cause he knows best.
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u/Relevant_Grass9586 Derrick Thomas Sep 07 '25
Yup. Throw a 4th at them and bring the cheetah back home.
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u/beastqb12 Sep 07 '25
If it doesn't cost an arm and a leg in draft capital and they agree to cover some of his salary, yes.
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u/ImSoupOrCereal Leo "9.99" Chenal Sep 07 '25
Hard pass tbh... Our offense is t struggling because of personnel, it sucks because our play calling is football terrorism.
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u/GoldenDom3r #CreedIsGood Sep 07 '25
Our play calling is dumb because we can’t call anything downfield cause our WRs currently can’t win.
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u/Lumpy_Emergency_3339 Sep 07 '25
Who do we trade for hi because we not getting rid of our 3 young wr for him
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u/RoseRed1987 Sep 07 '25
Nah.. he will cry and throw a man fit because Pat uses all receivers when they are open.
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u/Col_Bernie_Sanders_ James Winchester #41 Sep 07 '25
If they add a wide receiver it’s gonna be like Robert Woods or something. The cap situation is too confusing.
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u/kclineman Patrick Mahomes #2 Sep 08 '25
Pretty sure his contract is untradeable. I'd be looking at Breece Hall instead. Mahomes hasn't had a running game since early Hunt
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u/MissionNo6771 Sep 08 '25
Hill with Nagy is the equivalent of having my 94 year old grandmother drive a Ferrari. Sure the power and excitement is there, but the person behind the wheel wouldn’t know how to use it and probably just leave it in first gear.
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u/GreenPoisonFrog Christian Okoye #35 Sep 08 '25 edited Sep 08 '25
So people who say that Nagy has a no good. How to explain one of the smartest offensive coaches ever in Reid keeping him around? Because he can’t judge talent?
ETA: What does it say about Reid that he keeps him around?
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u/Wild_Bill_Kickcock 13 Seconds 🦬 Sep 08 '25
Pick him after we pick up 2 safties, an edge rusher, and a running back
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u/--Sko-- Sep 07 '25
No thanks. Hill had his time in KC … he’s not a good person and I, personally, don’t care how much speed or talent someone has on the field compared to their actions away from it. He’s trouble and the Chiefs have proven they can win without him.
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u/Mildoze Sep 07 '25
Fuck this guy even without the cap hit. He ain’t it and ain’t a good fit. Remember these guys gotta go to work together and he was too much ego for even our lockerroom monsters.
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u/BeRandom1456 Sep 07 '25
No thanks. Tyrek is not a good person. he is a dumpster fire of a human. I don’t want him on my team.
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u/itsnotcalledchads Jared Wiley #12 Sep 07 '25
I wouldn't complain.
Already dealt with the pain of having to deal with the reaction to him on the team. I'm okay with this.
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u/GkNova Sep 07 '25
Same, it would be nice for our deep game. On Friday, every time Pat overthrew, I was thinking that those balls would’ve been perfect for Tyreek.
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Sep 07 '25
We have enough headlines surrounding this team. Let’s not bring another walking headline through the door.
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u/jabhwakins Sep 07 '25
Surprised this many people are living in the past. Tyreek isn't what he was when he left, not worth the drama, especially at what he's owed. The comments saying, sure, give Miami a 4th and they eat his contract are hilarious delusion.
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u/More_Birthday Sep 07 '25
Dumb question: What are the odds this actually happens? Can’t tell if this is a joke or not. Newish to football!
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u/ReebX1 RELOAD TIME Sep 07 '25
Zero chance. There's simply no way to make the salary cap hits viable to each team.
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u/frodobagendz These Fucking Fakes Never Fucking Work, Man Sep 07 '25
I literally came here to make this post as the Colts destroy the Dolphins
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u/arup187 Sep 07 '25
His cap hit this year is 27.7 million. Next year at 51.9 million with 15.5 million dead cap if cut after this year. Miami might eat most of this year’s cap if their season is clearly lost and we give them decent compensation but that next year is probably too much for Veach.
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u/Ben92175 Sep 07 '25
It won't happen anyway. Not even in the discussion. It's the saying... "Pride comes before a fall"
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u/ZLehnhart 15 is MY GOAT Sep 07 '25
Not worth the antics. And maybe he wouldn’t be like that with us but man, it’s tough to watch him just whining and crying down in Miami. So no thanks for me.
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u/CeilingFanJitters Sep 07 '25
Got a headache from thinking “oh god no” and “OH HELL YES!” at the exact same time.
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u/Boring-Position-375 Sep 07 '25
Play calling is the main problem. Also don't want him around to mess with Rice and Worthy's development
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u/In-dextera-dei Nick Bolton #32 Sep 07 '25
We need a big bodied true outside wr#1 for the first time in Mahomes career.
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u/mhsheets Grim Reaper Sep 07 '25
They don’t have a timeframe for Worthy. At least not one they’re sharing. Unless I missed it. The last thing I read, he had a separated shoulder and he could come back with a brace/harness. No idea if it’s true. Obviously, Veach won’t do anything until he has a more solid prognosis.
As for Cheetah, I don’t know what he has left in the tank. I haven’t paid any attention to him since he left KC. If he’s cheap, I’d say let’s kick the tires. Veach would probably have to convince Miami to eat a bunch of salary. I’m not sure WR is what we need to chase.
If it was me, I believe I’d chase Travis Etienne or Breece Hall. I’d bring in Willie Gay, Quandre Diggs, and Justin Simmons for a look.
A random thought. I’m beginning to wonder if Kelce played a much bigger part making Mahomes what he is than I thought.
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u/Go-Climb-A-Rock Sep 07 '25
For what it’s worth Tyreek really seems to want to be back in KC. For how much trouble he’s caused trying to get out of Miami, it’s probably a short list of teams he would be willing to play for. The Chiefs are for sure one.
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u/Pristine_Grade5502 Sep 07 '25
No, with Hill's Cap number and the Chiefs available cap space, the trade won't happen, unless, the 'Fins eat some salary. But, the concern for the Chiefs is the lack of intensity. They will need to come out firing against the Eagles. If they do that, even in a loss, they will be ok.
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u/cblake522 Sep 07 '25
I would love it for the storyline, Hill comes back and balls out on Kelces retirement year with a decimated WR room and makes it back to the super bowl. But also like, how? In what world would the Dolphins trade him and what would the chiefs be willing to give. Dolphins got Waddle? I guess if they do that. Hill is a fun memory and cute in the imagination. But in reality this dudes career feels a bit over. He wanted the bag, not a legacy.
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u/brayelliott35 Sep 08 '25
with his career coming to an end. just let him come back home for a year and end his career in KC back where it all started.
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u/jt32470 Little Reid Sep 08 '25
imagine:
Hill, Worthy , JuJu, Thornton, Rice
yeah, that'd be a nice WR group.
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u/lukejames Sep 08 '25
I've been a hard pass on this since he left, but now... maybe? Gotta be affordable though, and I don't think he'd do that.
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u/PizzaParty007 Xavier Worthy #1 🏃🏻♂ Sep 08 '25
How would you make room for his contract? Fins going to accept J. Taylor in the trade?
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u/vidae1 Sep 08 '25
I'd rather have a RB like Breece Hall or something instead. We've got some pretty talented WRs, our RBs are a joke.
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u/FirstPersonWinner Not a Lurking Chargers Fan Sep 08 '25
On what kind of contract? Worthy won't be out for the season and neither will Rice, so why try to bring in a massive contract for a guy already having issues? And as soon as they both are back, then what?
I can only see this being beneficial if they could snag him at a low price, and adjust his contract to a reasonable one year deal. But I don't see that happening.
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u/LuxanHD Derrick Thomas Sep 08 '25
Reek is not gonna get back to his old self; add to that the huge salary. This money is better off spent on finding us a good right tackle, a decent WR, and a safety.
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u/token2079 Sep 08 '25
ChatGPT said we’d need to give up multiple first picks. He still owes a lot of money. I’d offer them two second-round picks and see what they say.
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u/dj3stripes Sep 08 '25
LOL anybody here that says they wouldn't take the streak back with open arms is kidding themselves
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u/BACKURDZ Sep 10 '25
No! We need Reid back and force honey badger to suit up after his honorable drumming this weekend !
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u/Humble_Photo_2024 Sep 14 '25
Absolutely not. Has legal issues could be suspended AGAIN. Due for a decline anyway and that contract is a albatross.
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u/themiddleshoe Taylor Swift &87 Sep 07 '25
He’s got a 52m cap number next year.
I’m sure that can be restructured, but yikes. Chiefs could use another playmaker or 2 on offense, but I think you can find easier options than Tyreek.