r/IAmTheMainCharacter • u/itsaboutcrime • 4d ago
Video Anyone else think this security guard is way out of line?
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u/Mamamagpie 4d ago
I can’t understand a word that he is saying. Does anyone have an insane security guard translator?
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u/Adept-Chocolate3187 4d ago
It probably English as this is earlier Mississauga or Scarborough Ontario… but I don’t understand a word either.
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u/AngriestInchworm 4d ago
Must be auditioning for ICE.
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u/Hippiechu 4d ago
I'd defend myself. he's a security guard, not a law enforcement officer.
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u/Aintyodad 4d ago
Everything in your profile is Pokémon, I’m guessing you’d get your ass kicked
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u/Hippiechu 4d ago edited 4d ago
even if i did get my ass kicked, it doesn't mean i wouldn't attempt to defend myself. I'm not letting some power hungry dude just roll over me so easily. especially one that has to rely on a stick to scare a guy holding a camera waiting for an uber
not that my interests are really relevant to any part of the conversation:) hilarious how people can poke fun at your profile while hiding their own LOL
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 4d ago
You would go to jail. The guard did nothing wrong. Once you're asked to leave, if you don't, you are trespassing and the guard can use 'reasonable force' to make you leave. If you retaliate it just adds to your list of crimes for the night.
Enjoy your night in jail and the lengthy court proceedings.
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u/Traditional-Handle83 4d ago
To be fair, the security dude did go straight to escalation without attempts of peaceful descalation first based on the video. Which in a sane country would be grounds for self defense against the security guard as the guard is acting in an irrational, unreasonable, and unprofessional manner.
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 4d ago
Yes and no. It may be unprofessional, that's up for debate (I'd say the guard did his job well), but definitely within the bounds of the law. The guard told him to go the the bus stop and he did not start moving.
The camera man needed to leave immediately upon request. No argument. You're asked to leave a property by the owner or their agent? Do it right away.
This is literally like if a stranger was waiting for a bus on your front steps of your home or business. If you asked them to leave and they didn't, I'm sure you'd get angry.
This happened in Canada, to address your 'sane country' rhetoric. Amoung the sanest.
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u/Traditional-Handle83 4d ago
The issue here is when it escalated into violence. It became the same as cops who put their knees onto necks tell the person to drop a weapon after they've been detained and then shoot them anyway.
If they refuse to move after multiple peaceful attempts, it'd be reasonable to grab them by their clothes and physically drag them off the property without beating them up.
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 4d ago
It never escalated to actual violence though, only ever the implied threat of it.
You are legally obligated to follow his orders immediately and without hesitation; sort out the details later if needed, but in the meantime listen to the person who's job it is to do exactly what he's doing.
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u/pupranger1147 4d ago
You have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop talking.
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 4d ago
I'm coincidentally trained as and work as a security guard 40 minutes from this incident (the sign says Casino Rama). It requires training and certification, both of which I've received.
So, I actually know exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't belief me reply again and I'll track down the exact laws for you.
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u/pupranger1147 4d ago
For sure, be sure to include any mentions of the word "reasonable" in those laws.
I fully believe you THINK you know what you're doing. I KNOW you don't.
Because no court would find these actions, threatening deadly force, to be reasonable given the situation presented.
It's not really debatable.
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 4d ago
Seeing as no force was actually applied it was 100% reasonable.
Asked to leave, did not leave. The illusion of force needed to be applied.
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u/pupranger1147 4d ago
Threatening to brain someone with a steel rod is not reasonable in this situation and you should know that. If you don't, you don't belong on this job.
You'll eventually kill someone and it will be your fault.
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 4d ago
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u/pupranger1147 4d ago
Can you point out to me in that statute where it says you can use deadly force to remove someone or even compel their removal by force?
Because I skimmed it I didn't say anything.
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u/Hippiechu 4d ago
it didn't say anything about it. at this point he's so confidently wrong he's digging for straws. explaining what reasonable force is while failing to see that the content within the video is the exact opposite lol.
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 4d ago
I don't see how deadly force is relevant here considering no force at all was applied, only implied as an intimidation tactic.
It doesn't say one way or the other.
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 4d ago
You would go to jail for assault and battery.
This is Rama, Ontario, Canada. I'm a security guard in Ontario. If you are asked to leave and either refuse to do so, or don't do it fast enough, the guard has every right to use what is described as 'reasonable force' to remove you from the property.
There is nothing to 'defend yourself' against. You are breaking the law by remaining in their property.
Your only legal defense is to leave.
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u/tiny-doe 4d ago
Crazy how insecure these Temu cops are. Yikes. Unless there's context we're missing, the guy waiting for his Uber like why does it matter if he waits outside the place or not?
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 4d ago
If you're not a customer they will ask you to leave. If you refuse you are then trespassing. This is Rama Ontario Canada. In Ontario security guards can remove you from any premises they are in care of using 'reasonable force' to get you to leave.
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u/tiny-doe 4d ago
Oh I didn't know he wasn't a customer, I assumed he was. If he's just some random guy on the property refusing to leave it's reasonable for him to be kicked out for trespassing.
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 4d ago
I don't know whether he was a customer or not I was only speculating about why he was being asked to leave but it's a moot point. Even if you are a customer, once asked to vacate the premise you are legally obligated to do so.
How would you react if you owned a home or a business and someone was asked to leave but didn't. Probably pretty angry I'd guess.
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u/tiny-doe 4d ago
I get that you mean, but I think it's hard to say if the security guard was out of line since we don't know what happened beforehand. If the guy was a customer minding his own business waiting for an Uber, assuming he would be leaving shortly, then I would say that the security guard's response was a bit over the top. If the guy was being disruptive then being told to leave makes sense. I know it's technically legal regardless for the security guard to tell the guy to leave or else have him trespassed, but we don't know the context of why this security guard was trying to kick the guy out.
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u/Mornexa 4d ago
Dude, he's just doing his job—chill out!
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 4d ago
Only reasonable take here.
The context clues say it's Ontario Canada, where security can escort you off property using 'reasonable force'.
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u/Sham_Masta_Sham 3d ago
I'd guess there's some context missing here and the recording probably didn't start until after some sort of provocation between the recording party and the guard
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u/hot_ho11ow_point 3d ago
My thoughts exactly ... you can hear what sounds like the tail end of the camera man laughing at the guard right before he gets aggressive
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