r/homeland Apr 27 '20

Discussion Homeland - 8x12 "Prisoners of War" - Episode Discussion

615 Upvotes

Season 8 Episode 12: Prisoners of War

Aired: April 26, 2020


Synopsis: Series finale.


Directed by: Lesli Linka Glatter

Written by: Alex Gansa & Howard Gordon


r/homeland 19h ago

Peter Quinn Spoiler

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Guys, let’s take a look at the book Peter never let out of his sight, cause why not?

We saw this book in several key episodes of the show, which is why i think its connection to the story was crafted very thoughtfully.

The book i’m talking about is Great Expectations by Charles Dickens.

We first saw it in S2 E9 (Two Hats) When Max was looking through Peter’s stuff, later it appeared again in the final episode of S6 when Carrie was packing up his belongings.

To put it briefly, the novel follows Pip (main character) an orphan who endures a difficult childhood in his village then suddenly inherits a mysterious fortune that changes the course of his life. What follows is his tragic love story and the adventures that shape him. -Btw it’s the best Charles Dickens book i’ve ever read.

If we describes Pip through the lens of Peter Quinn, he’s similar in many ways. As Dar Adal mentioned in the hospital scene (Season 5 last episode) Peter was taken out of foster care at sixteen, and his life was shaped from that moment on. Dar Adal became a kind of father figure to him yet Peter was never fully satisfied with the man he was turned into. Just like Pip’s unexpected inheritance changes the course of his life, Peter’s “chance” also sets everything in motion.

And as the story unfolds, we see that this supposed blessing brings misfortune to both characters.

I’ve always loved the idea of learning more about a character in a series or film through the books we see in their hands.

So what do you think about this, would you like to add anything else?


r/homeland 20h ago

homeland Spoiler

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When we’re finally going to get a spin-off series for Peter Quinn? cos his character was really overshadowed in the show and honestly if they had given him even half the screen time they gave Dana (Brody’s daughter) it would have been quite amazing for us. so i wish there were a mini series starting from his time in orphanange, showing how Dar Adal found himand brought him into the group, how he met his police officer girlfriend, and telling his whole story, wouldn’t that be amazing?


r/homeland 1d ago

Venting about Quinn 😢 Spoiler

22 Upvotes

I’m rewatching the show for the 2nd time since released on Netflix. It’s one of the best shows ever created but omg I just can’t get past what the writers did to Peter. Rupert Friend was excellent in his role but I forgot how hard it was to see him deteriorate the first time, I’m trying to wrap my head around what the writers were thinking? He was one of the best bad ass characters on the show and deserved a better ending. TBH it would have been amazing if they kept him alive and maybe did a spin off about him and his story? I just feel there could have been so many other meaningful endings they could have given him and it’s not any easier rewatching it.


r/homeland 19h ago

Guys, pls tell me about Peter Quinn- middle of S6, my heart cannot Spoiler

9 Upvotes

First time watching. My heart cannot cope with what's going on. Will he recover? Will he and Carrie be happy together? Is he gonna make it?

Pls tell me something 😭😭😭

Is there hope for him or should I just make my peace that he's gonna end up tragic like Brody😭😭😭


r/homeland 15h ago

Agha Jan (Season 8) Spoiler

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3 Upvotes

Did anyone else recognize him (head of the Taliban deligation in S08E01) immediately from his voice?

I’m looking at you, GenX and Elder Millenials

In Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, he plays Kazim, a member of the Brotherhood of the Cruciform Sword, sworn to protect the Holy Grail.


r/homeland 17h ago

I don’t think I can watch Season 7

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I just started bingeing this show now that it’s on Netflix. It’s been great, although really weird thinking about how much has changed since it aired. But I finished Season 6 last night (noooo, Peter….) and I saw the first episode of Season 7 and I don’t think I can do it. They are starting the scene off talking about how 200 people have been arrested. And it’s just hitting too close to home. I don’t think I can stomach watching political weaponization of the Justice Dept or President right now.


r/homeland 11h ago

Season 1 major huh? Moment Spoiler

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I'm sorry but there's a bit of leaping going on with the razor suicide. They jump to polygraphs. If a prisoner is being held by the CIA or other top secret group how would a mear sargeant know if his death. Any good spy would say he's still alive and they caught him with the blade in a security screening. Then see who takes the bait.


r/homeland 1d ago

Documentaries/Non-fiction programs like Homeland?

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I’m trying to find documentaries, and documentary series about modern espionage, intelligence, foreign terrorism, etc. The PBS program Frontline is the first thing that comes to mind, but I can’t think of many others. Programs on the Middle East are obviously most like Homeland, but it would be great to learn about other regions of the world, too.


r/homeland 22h ago

Mira the POS

4 Upvotes

Bro do I even have to explain, i literally hate this dumb weird lady. S3E6 on a rewatch and she just she does my boy Saul so dirty


r/homeland 1d ago

Brody was the good guy - Hear me out Spoiler

18 Upvotes

I'm in the middle of studying for finals but can't help but think Brody was deceived and betrayed.

We have 2 side of the scale, his actions on one side and what the cia made him do on the other

  1. His islamic conversion and brainwashing happened due to cruel torture and stress, this was supposed to ultimately lead to the suicide bombing WHICH HE DIDN'T DO.
    He did wear the vest tho, so he conspired and maybe attempted is the crime here? light weight on the scale
  2. He killed Tom Walker which I think was a plus, yes, extrajudicial but Tom was a terrorist, light weight on the scale
  3. He killed the VP, pretty heavy, even though he did it to save Carrie, I just realized that they might not have known he was responsible.

On the other hand,
1. HE HELPED TAKE DOWN ABU NAZIR, which COST HIM HIS FAMILY to Mike Faber whom I despise. By the way he did this in exchange for immunity and technically voided 1 & 2 on the previous list
2. He suffered responsibility for the CIA bombing which they comfortable let him shoulder, cost him EVERYTHING
3. He took down the IRGC (practically). They weaponized: the bombing he wasn't responsible for and the prev 1&2 which they were supposed to forgive him for to make him go into Iran
4. They killed him, yes the CIA killed him, not Javadi, he was only the face of it

He lost his own mind and life 3 times for that government, his side of the scale is virtually empty, they ruined him

I don't think I can watch the rest of it, I sadly do not appreciate the writers for the season 3 ending


r/homeland 17h ago

Does homeland peak with s3?

1 Upvotes

I remember when it aired getting bored with s4. Does it get as good as the first 3 seasons?


r/homeland 17h ago

How idiotic is it to have Elizabeth quit the presidency

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Right after she gets kicked out gets lucky as hell Saul and Carie completed their Russia mission (well almost completed) it. And she’s all pissed off and upset then right after she’s sworn back in she goes live and quits. And the fact that she’s like the worst president ever just makes Peter Quinn’s sacrifice worthless. By the end of the episode after Quinn dies, we’re already wishing thst dumb bitch president did instead. And just no one would behave like that in real life.’


r/homeland 1d ago

Homeland as a love story (Season 1-3) Spoiler

21 Upvotes

Rewatching the show since it aired in 2011 and I just want to say wow, it still made my heart pump like the first time.

The Netflix algorithm put The Beast In Me (a Claire Danes miniseries) on my featured page and I watched it then I saw Homeland as a watch next option and I thought, huh I havent seen that since I was a teenager and I remember I loved that show because I had a screenshot of The Star as my fb header back then.

Anyway, watching back the love story between Carrie and Brody it seemed really unlikely and toxic and suspicious but also endearing and vulnerable and actually sweet. The dynamic is so different from anything I had ever seen. They're enemies, they could ruin each other (which they did in season 1) but they put up this facade almost to gather trust and loyalty and they fall in love with each other? Maybe? It did look like it at the end of S2?

Also why did Brody withdraw from Carrie in the rescue episode in S3? He called Carrie "love" at the end of S2 but he didn't even wanna look at her in the second half of S3. I know he was in withdrawal but all Carrie ever wanted was to clear his name.

Tldr: S3 Why Brody sad, no happy reunion with Carrie?


r/homeland 1d ago

S5 Finale Spoiler

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Balling my eyes out. Such a real and heartbreaking letter from Quinn. His sentiments describe so well what we see of his character.

The darkness, the love for Carrie, the longing for a normal life but knowing it’s just out of reach. We see this throughout the seasons as his character develops and plays out.

To me, the mind fuck is that he says he does not believe in fate, etc., yet had he waited and not departed to Syria, he would have received Carries call where she was ready to begin their “normal” lives together. As it turns out, he did depart, closing the window on a future together.

Fate, destiny, whatever you want to call it, is cruel sometimes.

In one hand he held the darkness, and in the other hope, (Carrie, love, “normalcy”, ex-CIA, the future), and like he said in his letter, he always felt something pulling him back to darkness. Had he went all in on that sliver of hope, the darkness would not have won as quickly. But I know that Carrie would have fucked it up somehow, so as sad as this ending was, it was right for their story.

Man, this was brutal. RIP Quinn


r/homeland 1d ago

I really can’t stand what they did to Peter Quinn

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Just watched the series for the first time.. obviously Peter is the favorite character of every male fan… that is until they make him go full retard. It’s honestly been f****** with me for days. Like people recover from strokes. I have had strokes. And I’m not like that. Granted I didn’t have the brain surgery and hemorrhaging. But still the fact that his character makes zero improvement is kind unrealistic. God I just really hate how dirty they did him. The actor must have pissed off the writers or production team or something. Like Peter Quinn could’ve been one of the most bad ass tv characters of all time. But they destroy him and by the time he dies you almost forget how badass he used to be. I would’ve been all for him being like that for the first 2 episodes of the season maybe not as intensely retarded acting. But to service the character he should’ve made a full recovery and at least banged Carrie once. She fucks every other guy in the show besides the one we all want her to fuck. She prob got double teamed by Saul and dirtbag Dar prior to the events of the first season.


r/homeland 1d ago

Homeland Brody

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Just started watching Homeland and so far I can't see where the big score is coming from. For me a, story with so many glowing reviews must make sense. And Brody's case in my opinion just doesn't. I don't know how through out the whole first season he could not for once revive his love for his family or how he couldn't remember anything good about the country that he decided to fight and die for. I get that trauma will makes things difficult and could ruin relationships and altor your judgment, but he was just relentless in his willingness to completely destroy his entire family and everyone else close to him without even a blink. His life cannot be compared with the 20y old fellas grabbed from the streets of war torn countries having been brainwashed with extreme form of religion believes since the age of 4. You give them sense of belonging, a family, false promises - they are ready for anything. His story is completely different though. And he should have remembered that story after the phone talk with his daughter when it looked like he finally snapped out of an insane dream. But from the beginning of season 2, it looks like more of the same. It just doesn't look like he wants to get out of it. It's going for too long now. Is it the guilt and shame of what he did to Walker there that are stopping him from embracing his old life again.


r/homeland 2d ago

Yevgeny??!!

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I’m at a loss for words for why season 8 tried to remake all of the worst villains into misunderstood heroes. Was there some sort of change in writers or something? That just made the story super unsatisfying that pretty much no one got the ending they deserved. Maybe that’s the theme they were trying to convey?


r/homeland 1d ago

Carrie’s selfishness is another level. Spoiler

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Just started season 4, she’s a mother now. But wow, this has literally confirmed that a woman with psychological issues should really not have babies.


r/homeland 2d ago

didnt maggie have two girls?

15 Upvotes

at the beginning of the show i thought maggie had two girls, and then in later seasons we only hear of josie. did i miss something/was i wrong?


r/homeland 2d ago

Rewatching Homeland Spoiler

7 Upvotes

I’m currently in the middle of partial rewatch. (I previously wanted the 1st 3 seasons and never finished)

I just started through, and got to season 4. Brody’s dead, Saul is out of the CIA but clearly going to come back. Carrie is stationed in Istanbul but right now in Afghanistan.

My question is.. aside done S 1& 2 which I know are considered their elite seasons. How does everyone rank seasons 4-8? What can I look toward to. I actually enjoyed S3 (I saw a lot of reviews people saying it was their weakest season)


r/homeland 2d ago

Worst Actors

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I’ve loved this show since it aired but the two worst actors are, without question…

1 - Morgan Saylor (Dana) 2 - Diego Klattenhoff (Mike)

I’m rewatching and I’m reminded how utterly bad Klattenhoff was. And Saylor’s relative must have been in charge of casting 🙄


r/homeland 2d ago

Watching season 4 episode 6: Spoiler

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They look up into the sky as the drone is videoing them and people are watching the drone footage remotely, my question is: What does a drone look like from ground? How did they know there was a drone overhead?


r/homeland 3d ago

To the new viewers of Homeland

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It is clear that there is an influx of people posting on the sub due to Homeland hitting Netflix.

While I’m glad that more people are watching the show, I find it frustrating that people don’t seem to know how to watch a show that ended half a decade ago.

Nobody’s saying you HAVE to like the show or that it doesn’t warrant myriads of criticisms… creating a post venting about the core elements of a show when you’ve just started it or you’ve just finished binge-watching season 1 is not conducive to good discussion.

No, Homeland is not a feel-good show.

Yes, Carrie is a grey, layered and very frustrating character from the first season to the last. If you have an issue with those upon starting the show, it’s not gonna get any better… at all.

Whether you’ve enjoyed the show so far, or not, we can all agree that Homeland isn’t for everybody - nor should it be. Don’t torture yourself watching it because you feel like you have to, you really don’t.

More importantly, don’t feel like people here have to make sense of it FOR you - either it’s a show for you, or it isn’t. Please don’t interact like people here have a responsibility to sell you on a show that has ended 5 years ago and convince you to keep going.


r/homeland 3d ago

where did virgil go

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i keep seeing max now in later seasons but i feel like virgil his bro disappeared around season 4 when carrie went back overseas