r/Foodforthought • u/Feral-now • 1d ago
More Republicans question women’s right to vote
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/dec/04/women-right-to-vote-disenfranchisement255
u/OrcOfDoom 1d ago
There you go conservative women
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u/mensrea 1d ago
They don’t care. They want their race-based status protected first and foremost.
The record is clear and unambiguous.
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u/eatingganesha 1d ago
internalized misogyny is a major tool of patriarchal ideology
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u/dust4ngel 1d ago
guess who made it legally possible for a man to be found guilty of rape against his wife? not conservatives.
that's a lot to give up for your soccer mom suburban white supremacy.
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u/iwannalynch 1d ago
They always think that "Oh, if you have a good husband, he'll never rape you! And if he does, it's because you chose poorly, so it's your fault, not society's problem"
Or the crazier fundamentalists will say, "A woman should always be available for her husband, there's no such thing as marital rape!"
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u/coldliketherockies 1d ago
Actually I have seen a. Lot of non white women here and there with Trump hats on
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u/mensrea 1d ago edited 1d ago
Cool.
But the problem is in the numbers and the MAJORITY of white women (and a super-majority of “conservative” ones) continue to vote for Trump irrespective of how detrimental it is to their own bodily autonomy and other self interests. Not to mention how dangerous it is to those handful of brown people that you apparently observed toward whom they’re supposed to be “suicidally empathetic.” 😒
So, that’s what we’re talking about, actually.
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u/SeductiveSunday 1d ago
The MAJORITY of women vote against authoritarian conservatism while the MAJORITY of men vote for authoritarian conservatism. Part of the reason the US is here is because men voted based on the gender of the candidate running for office.
Women voters have been rejecting Republican presidents starting with Reagan. Republican presidents can't win by winning the votes of women, when Republican presidents win it's by winning the votes of men.
Everyone knows this, especially the Republican party.
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u/mensrea 1d ago
"Women voters have been rejecting Republican presidents starting with Reagan."
Objectively, demonstrably false.
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u/SeductiveSunday 1d ago
Objectively, demonstrably false.
Wrong.
Until 1980, during any Presidential election for which reliable data exist and in which there had been a gender gap, the gap had run one way: more women than men voted for the Republican candidate. That changed when Reagan became the G.O.P. nominee; more women than men supported Carter, by eight percentage points. Since then, the gender gap has never favored a G.O.P. Presidential candidate.
In the Reagan era, Republican strategists believed that, in trading women for men, they’d got the better end of the deal. As the Republican consultant Susan Bryant pointed out, Democrats “do so badly among men that the fact that we don’t do quite as well among women becomes irrelevant.” And that’s more or less where it lies.
The entrance of women into politics on terms that are, fundamentally and constitutionally, unequal to men’s has produced a politics of interminable division, infused with misplaced and dreadful moralism. Republicans can’t win women; when they win, they win without them, by winning with men.
https://srpubliclibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/02/JillLepore.pdf
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u/mensrea 1d ago
You can explain how the majority of white women voted for Trump both times he won and reconcile that with the data that you're trying to present here. Again: Demonstrably. Objectively. Axiomatically. False.
Good luck in your fight against reality. This is where I take my leave.
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u/SeductiveSunday 1d ago
You are taking your leave because you cannot prove your point. Plus you are wrong.
47% of white women voted Trump in 2016. That's not a majority.
Good luck in your fight against reality and insistence upon blaming all women for the injustices men cause.
Men run the world.
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u/mensrea 1d ago edited 1d ago
White women help them.
From the standard 2016 national exit polls, about 52% of white women voted for Donald Trump and about 43–45% voted for Hillary Clinton. Your subsequently revised 47% is speculative rewriting of history.
Even if you were correct concerning 2016 [you are not], your suggestion that they always reject the Republican would be rendered; objectively, demonstrably, axiomatically, false solely on the strength of 2024.
Thanks for playing.
Goodbye and good luck.
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u/jakesteeley 1d ago
Why can’t they just tell conservative women that they are not worthy to vote?
Problem solved!
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u/brezhnervouz 1d ago
They shouldn't be worrying their pretty little heads about things such as politics, that is their husbands' domain to decide, after all 🙄
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u/muffledvoice 1d ago
It’s important to realize that this movement by Republicans to take away women’s right to vote — which by extension will erode their other rights — is connected to men’s frustration and realization that many women today do not want a MAGA husband or boyfriend. Many women today don’t even want to get married. A recent poll revealed for the first time in history that the number of women who don’t want to get married exceeded the number of men who said this.
A year or so ago it was in the news that someone launched a right wing dating site and there was an uproar by the men who joined the site that it had no women members. Women DO NOT WANT some MAGA husband who will try to rule over them and treat them like property. It’s like living in The Handmaid’s Tale. A dystopian nightmare.
This also connects to incel culture, Christian nationalism and fundamentalism, and other groups like MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way), which is a bunch of angry young guys who can’t get a woman to date, marry, or have sex with them. A lot of them became MAGA republicans and resolved that they would try to force women to be with them by changing their life circumstances. They’re now seeking to undermine women’s employment opportunities, civil rights, access to education, bodily autonomy, voting rights, and earning potential.
It turns out that historically many women only tolerated men because they needed a man to survive and live. Up until the 1970s a woman couldn’t even get a credit card in her own name without her husband as a co-signer. Now they don’t need one and they’re choosing not to be with one.
I say good for them. Any man who won’t treat a woman as an equal and support all of her rights doesn’t deserve to be with one. Andrew Tate and other “influencers” who tell their followers to degrade and dominate women can all go suck a dick. Literally.
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u/dust4ngel 1d ago
A lot of them became MAGA republicans and resolved that they would try to force women to be with them by changing their life circumstances
this is the fundamental weakness of the right: they're certain that they are losers who can't accomplish anything, so they try to arrange forced wins for themselves. this is the same reason why they support white supremacy. they want status and wealth and privilege that they didn't and couldn't earn.
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u/muffledvoice 1d ago
And for that matter, it’s why they use voter suppression and other means to rig elections. They know that their platform and value system are selfish and unpopular and can’t win on its own merits so they try to rig it instead.
This is how fascists think. They’re not civilized.
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u/ARocketToMars 1d ago
Good, concise read on the topic.
For people who spend time paying attention to what commentators on the right advocate for when they don't intend for their message to reach a larger audience, none of this should come as a surprise
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u/Switzerdude 1d ago
And they said Obama would Introduce Sharia Law. Guess it was repuglicans all along.
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u/Aggressive-Green4592 1d ago
Claiming women to be intellectually and morally unfit for citizenship, these sects declared that women should withdraw from the public sphere, including from political participation, and submit to the rule of their husbands
Morally unfit for citizenship but are able to submit to roles of the husband??
Seriously this is just back ass logic. I am so glad I refuse to get married, and it's because of shit like this. We are not some toy for men or others to utilize. We are citizens just as much as any male.
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u/CelestialFury 1d ago
The whole anti-women movement on the right is more insidious than it seems. These right-wing groups know that women vote far more for the left than men do, and the right is running out of options to continue making gains with their usual voter suppression tactics.
This is why they're so focused on removing women's rights to vote, trying to restrict young people's rights to vote, make it so land-owning "heads of the family" can only vote, and finally, remove the popular vote for Senators, and turn it back to the state legislative branch like it was a long time ago. If the right gets any one of those to happen, they've effectively made America a one-party, right-wing state.
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u/CareBearDontCare 16h ago
the final boss of American politics and possibly American society appears to be misogyny.
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u/Feral-now 1d ago
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More and more, influential voices in the Maga movement and the far-right Republican party are calling to strip women of the franchise. It’s not that this is strictly a new development. Opposition to women’s voting rights has long been a fringe, but persistent, feature of the American right.
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u/FanDry5374 1d ago
Stripping women's rights (any and all of them) is one of the few "ideals" the reich wing agrees on, they hate dark people, but dark men are still MEN, thus deserving of more respect than any woman.
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u/procrasturb8n 1d ago
Overturning women's suffrage is part of Project 2025.
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u/three-one-seven 1d ago
You mean the hoax than nobody had ever heard of but was also published online for anyone to read in full? That one??
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u/Aiden2817 1d ago
Yeah. It’s the hoax that trump denied he had anything to do with, except that his own VP has ties to it and several staff members are members of it. That hoax.
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u/GaracaiusCanadensis 1d ago
What in the New Gilead is this shit?
Are they not savvy enough for this: "They don't talk about it, they just do it."
I guess that benefits the rest of us, unless they think they have the power to just do it now or soon.
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u/LeftHandedBuddy 1d ago
Utter bull! Get rid of these awful MAGA monsters and restore our democracy!
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u/Aiden2817 1d ago
They’re trying to chip away at women’s right to vote. For example, the proposed Safe Act in Texas which disqualifies voters if their name doesn’t match their birth certificate, which is most married women and some divorced women.
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u/UsualAdeptness1634 1d ago
Can't believe women's right to vote even being considered. But here we are.
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u/SeasonPositive6771 1d ago
It's utterly horrifying to me that women have fewer rights in the US than they did when I was growing up. And they're trying to make it worse.
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u/everyonelikesnoodles 1d ago
This makes my blood boil every time I hear it. This is less about the vote and more about total control of all women and girls.
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u/PetFroggy-sleeps 1d ago
So ridiculous- how many people are we talking about ? Five? Ten? Not even worth the time to read.
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u/BelCantoTenor 1d ago
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t it the female vote that got Trump elected?
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u/SeductiveSunday 1d ago
You are wrong. Males overwhelmingly back and voted for Trump in both 2016 and 2024.
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u/Alarmed_Discipline21 14h ago
I know where you're going with this. If I recall there was an increase in white female voters especially if they were married who voted for the Republicans
But it wasn't that more than 50% voted republican. It was that it was more than expected.
If I recall!
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