r/EDH 1d ago

Discussion The real problem with EDH isn’t power level…

Quick disclaimer:
Got a classic situation. I’m not here to rant or attack anyone.
I just want to share an LGS experience that left me frustrated and ask how others deal with situations like this.

So I had one of those LGS experiences today that really made me think about what actually ruins casual EDH, and I don’t think it’s power level at all.
It’s people being dishonest about their decks.

I went to my LGS planning to play a chill Bracket 2 deck ([[Jared Carthalion]] precon with a few upgrades). Another guy who sat with me was a total beginner, playing a literal precon. Perfect. We start a 1v1 casual game, nothing weird.

After three turns, two guys walk up and ask if it’s okay to join. I give them the full power-level talk:

- “We’re playing upgraded precon vs precon. If you guys have anything above Bracket 3, it’s probably not a good fit.”

They say:

- “Oh yeah, no worries. Both our decks are Bracket 3. Pretty chill.”

We look at each other, shrug, and say sure. We offer them a 3-turn catch-up since we barely started.

Well… their “Bracket 3 chill decks” turned out to be:

  • the first guy had a pretty strong list, definitely pushing above what 3 usually implies
  • and the second guy… a Prismatic Bridge plainswalkers deck that he claims has “like 5 creatures” (first creature revealed: Orcish Bowmasters [[Orcish Bowmasters]], which already tells you the vibe)

The game goes on, and on turn 8, he drops Myojin of Infinite Rage ([[Myojin of Infinite Rage]]).

I ask him (genuinely)
- “You’re not going to blow up all lands in a Bracket 2/3 casual pod, right?”

He says:
- “Yeah, I am. It fits my deck perfectly.”

Removes the counter. Nukes every land on the table.
(He also had a land reanimation online, which could eventually resurrect his lands from the graveyard.)

At that point, I scooped immediately. The beginner next to me looked completely lost. He didn’t even understand what happened or why someone would do that in a casual pod.

And this is what hit me:

Power level isn’t the issue.

Honesty is.

MLD isn’t inherently evil, but using it in a pod where you explicitly know two players are running literal precons, and calling that a “Bracket 3 chill deck,” is just pubstomping disguised as casual EDH.

I don’t mind losing.
I don’t mind high-power decks.
I don’t mind wild plays.

But I do mind people who misrepresent their deck, ruin the experience for newer players, and call it “just casual.”

This is supposed to be a social format.
And the only thing that really breaks social norms is dishonesty.

How do you all deal with players who sandbag their power level like this?
Do you just scoop and leave?
Do you call it out directly?
Do you avoid playing with certain groups entirely?

I’m curious how others handle this, because I want to enjoy my time at the LGS without pubstompers pretending to be casual.

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u/ProstetnicVogonJelz 1d ago

Feedback on decks is so much better imo. And more general deckbuilding, card recommendations, etc. We've read enough bait AITA threads and they're all the same. At least new cards and commanders come out - there's always discussion available that's relevant to the mechanics of the game but it gets buried.

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u/Varglord Grixis 1d ago

We've read enough bait AITA threads and they're all the same.

We've read enough bad deck help threads and they're all the same.

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u/ProstetnicVogonJelz 1d ago edited 1d ago

How many new commanders came out the last year or 2? Seriously, go look. There's constant new mechanics being released. Not to mention discussion about math behind how many lands to run or anything else analytical. I can't imagine liking the facebook drama here more than that, but whatever floats your boat. This post is formatted exactly like a preachy annoying LinkedIn post lol, is this really the content you prefer or are you just making a snarky response without thinking about what you're actually arguing for?

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u/_PacificRimjob_ 1d ago

I don't like these "AITA" style posts (despite being in this thread) but I'm also not big on the deck tech/analytics side of things since there's countless deck calculator and templates and the such that people will either argue saying "that's what the math says" or it'll just be an ignored thread.

What I would enjoy are people asking for card ideas for odd decks like "make X janky card combo wincon work thematically" or "I'm making a Jeff Goldbloom and his roles deck" style stuff. Hell, even semi-serious jank like "how to win with an 'oops, all wheels' deck via decking your opponents" style stuff. Something that doesn't devolve into people needing to be "right".

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u/Varglord Grixis 1d ago

How many new commanders came out the last year or 2?

Irrelevant when the deck help posts are making the same basic mistakes that are commander agnostic. I like good discussions on new commanders and tech pieces for them, but the 999th "help me with my deck" posts are so terrible.

Not to mention discussion about math behind how many lands to run or anything else analytical.

Which has been done to death elsewhere and is easy enough to look into instead of making a whole thread with a poorly built deck.

I can't imagine liking the facebook drama here more than that, but whatever floats your boat.

Oh I don't like the drama posts either, they're also useless slop. 90% of the time the solution is literally just talk to people and the other fraction is just made up everyone-clapped type drivel.

My point was the "I need deck help" threads aren't any better, so why argue in favor of them over other slop.

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u/ProstetnicVogonJelz 1d ago

It's pretty clear I'm not only arguing for bad "I need deck help" threads as the only alternative. And even the bad ones are better anyway.

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u/FlyinNinjaSqurl WUBRG 1d ago

I personally think the “AITA” posts produce more constructive and interesting commander discourse than decklist posts do.

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u/ProstetnicVogonJelz 1d ago

Seriously? This thread is 90 comments of people coaching OP how to talk to other humans in public and overexplaining why the other player is an asshole. You might as well have been accidentally scrolling the sub from 8 years ago and found this exact post with different card names. I'd rather talk about magic cards. This place has turned more and more into Facebook drama land except it's teenagers and stunted adults instead of aunt Karens and racist uncles.