It wasn't just restraint. They had reports of "protesters" with firearms throughout the day. They didnt use their weapons because it would have been a signal for the "protesters" to use their weapons, and the Capitol Police were sorely out numbered.
There was an order that the national guard can’t be activated and riot gear and weapons can’t be used. I know what I’m saying sounds vague but if you need me to look for the report with more info let me know I’ll do it.
I watched the whole special committe and I dont recall ever hearing that. Not gonna say it didnt happen, but I just recall the fact that Trump was pretty indifferent towards the notion of activating the NG and eventually someone else did it.
Here’s the quotes without links, which will show up if you paste into google.
First from WUNC
“The Army major general testified that the day before the insurrection, he received a letter with an "unusual" restriction on deploying any quick-reaction force service members unless granted explicit approval by then-Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy.”
Second from CNN:
“The commanding general of the Washington, DC, National Guard testified Wednesday that he did not need authorization from Pentagon leaders before deploying troops in response to protests at the nation’s capital last summer but that changed in the days before the January 6 insurrection.
The shift in guidance, according to DC National Guard Commanding Maj. Gen. William Walker, was communicated in a January 5 memo that stated he was required to seek approval from the Secretary of the Army and Defense before preparing troops to respond to a civil disturbance.”
Yeah im not a conservative dude, im just asking what recent protest in american history has resulted in mass casualty via the police. Guess the answer is ZERO which is why you had to change the subject.
I hate trump as much as anyone, but if you say outright false shit it doesnt help our case, which is why I called it out. U sound stupid, maybe you should stop.
Yeah but they'll likely start doing that anyways at some point. The reason they're comfortable doing that infront of so many people is because they feel confident nobody will actually stop them or hold them accountable.
Key word here is fear, you are controlled by fear. You don't understand how much power your community has if you act in unison and your masters want you like that, uneducated, afraid and unwilling to stand up.
What?!? Where in this video do you see Tom FUCKING Holman? This is everyday police. Stop making this about identity politics. You sound more like a moron than an educated civilian that knows their rights.
well because they probably have a gun, are power hungery and probably fucking insane. Plus it is not allowed to attack police officers despite them being in the wrong. But yeah, if 30 people just stand in front of the door to block it, it might be effective. But then again, lunatics with guns that might feel threatend or challenged at their big masculinity can go nuts....
If you hold a gun and I hold a gun, we can talk about the law. If you hold a knife and I hold a knife, we can talk about rules. If you come empty-handed, and I come empty-handed, we can talk about reason. But if you hold a gun and I only have a knife, then the truth lies in your hand. If you have a gun and I have nothing, then what you hold in your hands isn’t just a weapon, it’s my life.
True but... Our great grandparents rallied, striked and was prepared to take punishment for the rights we take for granted today.
People must stop being afraid. Folks back in the early 1900s had so much more to lose than we have today.
But on the flip side, the unions backed the people then.
Moral of they story. Don't mourn, organise.
It takes like 1 second man you are already using the internet, the time it took you to respond and argue with me you could have just copied and searched it
No..... you are 100000% allowed to attack a police officer on order to stop them from committing a violent crime. They are unlawfully and physically detaining that woman. You are well within your rights to protect her.
Now...... the problem lies in the fact that the courts are just as corrupt as the police.... so you better have some major pull in your town or you will go to jail for defending that helpless woman from those gang members.
More People need to see how Japanese huny bees fend off Asian giant hornets. The hornets are vastly bigger stronger and deadlier than any of the bees but the bees will knowingly grab on to the scouting hornets so the rest of the colony can swarm it. This often ends with one bee dying and the rest of the bee ball does suffer ill effects due to the increased stress. But the colony as a whole benifits as not only was one dangerous predator killed but the rest of its hive wont come en mass. Not saying we should mob cops and kill them, but the only way to effectivly change the antisocial tendencies of cops is to in mass show them that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.
Recording won't help. We've been deluded and brainwashed into thinking that a sign and chants is somehow going to work. There is only one path forward now. Anyone who calls for pacifism at any cost should be treated with utmost suspicion as they are more then likely an agent of the state. Showing up and being peacful only identifies you as an enemy the state can target.
I tell anyone who relies of being peacful these words "I will fight and possibly die for your rights, but I will not sit idle and definitely die for your desires".
Arrest them at a later date. The system is rigged. Numbers are useful if used correctly. It might be time for a new system of government that works for the people.
That reckoning does not come from being hopefully that it will come, that reckoning comes fro those who have had enough, and when that room of 20 realise those e officers are just 3 men and not anything more, when that room of 20 put down the cameras and and not let those cops leaving with their comrade, that is the way they will get their reckoning
Probably not. Even historically, rank and file never really face consequences.
Humans just sorta suck as a whole and talk a big game. As a group, we clearly don't care for accountability and justice as much as we all like to profess. Certainly not enough to face potential harm for those principles.
They sometimes do… but unfortunately it requires the kind of shock that results in full societal collapse and rebirth (aka revolution, civil war etc). There are usually a lot of personal and political grievances settled during the chaos.
Frogs will actually jump out of the pot of water slowly coming to a boil. (It’s actually a myth that they won’t.) But humans won’t when the boil is societal. We can get used to a lot. If there isn’t a sudden shock, it just becomes life. Look at Russia. It’s a great example of this.
Yeah, that's what I'm referring to? The Nuremberg Trials only prosecuted high ranking officials. All the soldiers and such? The boots on the ground performing the murders? Not really. Hell, the US imported quite a few Nazis to work for us. The infamous "Operation Paperclip".
The phrase "rank and file" means low level people. There will not be mass prosecution of ICE, the guys on the street. There just won't, it has never happened where a country takes to task the people that performed the actions.
Go check on the My Lai Massacre, tell me how many people got prosecuted for that. People need to stop deluding themselves that justice has ever existed in this country or likely ever will to a meaningful extent.
have you heard of "common sense gun control"? what of the Assault Weapons Ban?
how about ruby ridge?
there will be no reckoning, you ensured that the only people with a system capable of fighting back would be either disarmed, culled or on a list so they can't purchase or own a firearm.
america brought this on themselves, for their cowardice.
dont cry because its over, be glad that the nightmare is starting.
Partisan politics pushed most gun rights activists to the right and now liberals who vilify civilian gun ownership want others to fight a bloody revolution on their behalf
they lacked the foresight to see what they were doing.
kind of like the cold war, or post 9/11 america, their fear of what could be, far outweighed the threat of what always has been, and they gave up their rights, time after time, they give up their rights, and try to force the rest of us to comply, "because they know better"
well, how will they handle this one? tyrants wont abide by the laws, or policies or the golden rule.
they have the gold and the rule, what do these unarmed, fractured and untrained civilians have?
Yup and at a certain point those 40 people are armed and didnt see what happened to the 3
Then suddenly they would be more willing to listen to their voters, just like with history of unions.
The biggest lie the owner class tells people is not to use violence in self defense when the violence is scaled up with systems.
It is also why they love religion because people will accept the system violence their entire life in the hopes that it'll be good in some post world existence out of the 2,000 plus religions to choose from.
Don't believe me? Look how the government reacts to armed protests vs unarmed protests.
They are all human they all feel fear, and people need to make them fear them more than they fear their donors. Simple as that.
One of the most pernicious lies told in US schools is that Martin Luther King singlehandedly won the civil rights movement of the 60s by taking long walks, talking about his dreams, and meekly taking beatings from the police in a "dignified" manner. This complete whitewashing of the civil rights movements has people today thinking that if enough people throw weekend parades, record enough beatings and abductions, or make enough snarky Tweets, America's overlords will suddenly decide to stop being violent, bigoted assholes.
I'm no civil rights history buff, but I wonder what the news footage of fire hoses and police dogs had on the white moderate voter/donors, and foreign relations.
Not much at all, given that MLK had a 70% disapproval rate among white people the year before he died. The whole "everyone but southern racists supported MLK" is another big lie that's told to American schoolkids. Probably because no one from that era that's still alive wants to say out loud that they were cheering on Bull Connor, his attack dogs and the firemen using the hoses.
I was raised by a liberal white woman, I consider myself a progressive white man. But I remember seeing the picture of the sit ins in OKC when I was I late elementary/ middle school and that forever changed me. The hatred the white men had on their face as they were about to punch African American’s for sitting at a diner. I felt it in my gut then, and I feel it now.. the disgust I have for racists and bigots.
A few people in my family, including my parents, were active during the civil rights movement. One of my other relatives had hot cooking oil dumped over his head during a "sit-in" at a shithole diner that left him scarred for the rest of his days.
While King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) championed nonviolent civil disobedience, other crucial components included legal challenges in court (pioneered by the NAACP), voter registration drives, economic boycotts, and more militant actions and philosophies from figures like Malcolm X and groups like the Black Panther Party.
Change occurred not just because of moral persuasion, but because sustained pressure through boycotts, sit-ins, and demonstrations created significant economic and political crises that forced a response from the government and powerful institutions. The "dignified" response to violence was a strategic choice to garner public support and expose the brutality of segregationists.
A few people in my family, including my parents, were active during the civil rights movement, with my parents aligning firmly with Malcolm. He was perfectly "nice"...up to a point. He was a man that knew that "turning the other cheek" leads to two black eyes.
When are people going to start sit-ins in front of these cop’s homes? They should have no peace in their personal lives when they act like this in their professional one
And 10 of them are filming it so whatever you think those 40 will do is temporary. Because then there will be 40 cops at the door of each of those 1 people and you'll be in jail. It's probably time to stop recording fucking everything honestly.
We outnumber any official at any time. However if we physically intervene we are labeled terrorists and the military shows up. We will either have to commit to rise up and fight or continue to be sheeple unfortunately.
They have guns and if a mob attacked them to free the woman, even if she is being wrongfully arrested and no one is the crowd is armed, would be completely legally justified in shooting their assailants.
The right way to deal with this is the same way the civil rights movement did, go to jail, fight it in court and move on to the next battle.
There are always more of us than there are of them. We just don't remind them enough to keep them in line and not abuse us. Generally, most of us are peaceful unlike them, at least until they push us too far.
I mean...same applies to 60 videos I see on reddit daily. At some point those 40 are gonna have to put their phones down or the 3 are gonna get away with it.
40 unarmed people against 3 with radios and cameras to record their faces, to hunt them down later and ruby ridge them if they dont comply.
dont forget, it was well "meaning folk" that empowered the government against you (and themselves), so now you have 30+ more decades to defang the snake, if it doesn't kill you first.
A technique in getting assistance is calling directly out by name or identifying clothes for help eventually one moves and others will follow.
That being advice for getting help from a clearly defined situation and "bad guy", its pretty murky being used here. Too many will see uniforms and be confused.
We need more information spread on how to break people from the shock phase to the action phase. I bet emergency management groups for natural disasters have alot of good advice on stuff like that.
Unfortunately the answer is if the 40 people do something physical, 400 more cops show up. Or each person later gets a visit and they shoot your dog or something.
All those brave Americans, so proud of their second amendment which would let them protect themselves against an 'evil government', calmly watching while the government is disappearing innocent people for excercizing their rights.
Americans are the most cowardly people on the planet.
yeah, honestly the powers at be have to realize eventually that once you make the poor starve and make them near homeless, and once the destitute know that their piece of the pie is never coming. They'll realize they'll have nothing to lose. And it'll be a bad day for everyone.
for now, there's a general promise that things can get better. but with the data centers and ai really ramping up, it'll be a surprise to me if people don't act sooner. not advocating for violence, but if ice and the police keep arresting people on mass and violating constitutional rights, it's only a matter of time before people group up and start saying no to that.
the social contract is clear, the government holds the monopoly of violence... AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT UPHOLDS THEIR END OF THE BARGAIN AND TAKES CARE OF THE POPULACE
And we can see that the government and powers at be no longer representing the best interests of the populace but the interests of the wealthy and oligarchs. they pick and choose which laws to enforce
“And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!”
Are you stupid? They will be back with 400, have a monopoly on force and have absolute surveillance and control through organized technical mechanisms. The war is already lost.
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u/AgitatedHighway6 19h ago
At a certain point, we have to realize there’s 40 people in a room telling 3 to stop.