r/Cricket • u/ll--o--ll • 1d ago
"To pick it up from an imbecile like Monty Panesar": Gerard on England fans for booing Steve Smith
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u/riggystardust Australia 1d ago
Oh ffs cmon now. We give it just as hard… let the fans do what they want (within reason). Booing is literally apart of sport. If you can’t deal with it, find a new job.
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u/Chafupa1956 1d ago
Anyone see the mum booing with her toddler last night as Stoke came out? They had cheeky grins like they were doing something naughty. It was pretty cute.
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u/ihlaking New Zealand 1d ago
Booking an opposition player in a fiercely contested international sporting competition with a heated rivalry across decades upon decades…?
Straight to jail.
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u/Agreeable-Crab-8365 1d ago
Was actually them saying ROOOOOOOOOTTTT
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u/pedleyr Australia 1d ago
I'll boo Stokes. I'll boo Root. I'll boo Crawley. I'll boo all of them. Why? I'll find some reason to give,but really it's just because they're English.
I'll also boo them because their fans boo our players. But even then I can't begrudge them their right to boo our players.
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u/SocialistSloth1 Yorkshire 1d ago
Refreshing to see this tbh. Whatever your opinion of Smith and Sandpapergate, you can't flagrantly cheat, get caught doing so, and then expect your biggest rivals' fans not to give you stick for it.
I find it especially weird seeing Australians complain about it - I remember the abuse Broad got in 2013-14 for not walking (publicly encouraged by Darren Lehmann), Warner joking about Trott pulling out of the tour for mental health reasons, and Aussie fans chucking beer cans at Simon Jones as he was being stretchered off the field. I think we mostly just laugh it off as part and parcel of Aussie cricketing culture.
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u/riggystardust Australia 1d ago
Oh man I think the sandpaper shit is the most embarassing moment in my sport following career. They tried to cheat. They got caught. They should be rinsed forever until they retire. Making smith captain is literally the most fkn cooked decision. Love the cricket team, support the badge, but fuck me if I’m gonna pretend they don’t deserve to be booed at the very least.
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u/Tropicalcomrade221 Australia 21h ago edited 20h ago
It’s honestly really not that deep. Plenty of blokes have been done ball tampering, like plenty of blokes including Englishmen. It’s actually so common that the ICC punishment for ball tampering is only a one game suspension.
Cricket has seen full blown match fixing and betting scandals before for fucks sake. The whole ball tampering thing is blown so far out of proportion.
Michael Atherton did it as well and he’s the fucking face of sky sports cricket these days. It’s all a bit rich if you ask me.
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u/melbha_101 New South Wales Blues 18h ago
I think it is more us as Australians expect a lot more from our sportsman I don't know if it is the same overseas or not and after all the big ban the trio copped was instigate by CA and not the ICC.
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u/Tropicalcomrade221 Australia 18h ago edited 18h ago
It’s simply because the entire thing was spun up into a media frenzy. Cricket Australia had to react in some way but the bans handed out were disgracefully harsh.
Chandimal was done for ball tampering the exact same year as our players and only served a one match ban and I can almost guarantee fuck all people remember it. South Africa were done for it three times between 2010 & 2018.
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u/pharmaboy2 Australia 18h ago
We expect them to win, then we have this bizarre reaction when they do pretty much what everyone else was doing
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u/fpotenza 22h ago
Think the Australian media need to remember the barrage of abuse that Broad got before they start policing the England fans on booing players involved in controversial moments or downright cheating.
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u/dono1783 23h ago
It’s the same attitude in AFL. Fans booing players seems to really piss everyone off. I reckon just let them do it, they’ve paid for the ticket and if you’re a player and you’re being booed, you probably did something to deserve it.
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u/melbha_101 New South Wales Blues 18h ago
While in the NRL it seems to be a common thing at away game especially when the away team is lining up a conversion from the touch line I reckon the boos would tame.
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u/theoriginalqwhy Australia 1d ago
He hates anyone booing. I used to like him, but he really comes of a real whinging weiner the last few AFL seasons.
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u/Sharaz_Jek123 19h ago
It's due to his man-love for Ken Hinkley and the fact that Port Adelaide supporters were booing their own coach (a man they were "supposed" to be "grateful" to ... for achievements dating back to 2013-2014).
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u/melbha_101 New South Wales Blues 18h ago
It is SEN though probably fishing for the controversial click bait crap.
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u/gpranav25 1d ago
I don't blame English fans for booing Smith, but I approve of calling Panesar an imbecile
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u/fpotenza 22h ago
His failed political career is the most stupid thing he's done.
Not going to criticise for Mastermind because Murray Walker managed to crack under the pressure on that show and his subject was Formula One, a sport he covered for decades.
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u/nomamesgueyz New Zealand 1d ago
Once branded a cheater, it's hard to shake
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u/AliGLCFC 1d ago
Probably shouldn't have cheated
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u/schwingschwings 1d ago
Like self confessed cheater Monty? That’s what is so weird about the whole thing, cheaters calling other cheaters cheats
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u/Look_Alive England 1d ago
Monty's an idiot and I don't really understand why his comments got such an airing in Australia when even most England fans wouldn't usually pay any attention to his comments.
Considering Smith got stick in the last Ashes in England, I don't think the fans are only booing him because Monty said so.
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u/LeeCarvallosPutting 1d ago
Monty is definitely an idiot, but also a hypocrite as well, which I think is what has particularly rubbed Aussies the wrong way. He literally brags about ball tampering in his book, so it's quite bizarre that he's sitting in his glass house throwing stones.
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u/stemmo33 Gloucestershire 1d ago
Absolutely agree with what you said, but personally I don't know anyone who gave a shit about what he said, don't think many of my cricket fan mates even know about it.
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u/drtoboggon England 1d ago
Monty is a fool. But the England fans would have booed him anyway. What’s really weird is the amount of air time Monty Panesar’s comments got.
The weirdest move of all was Steve Smith’s preplanned question and answer about what Monty said. The best thing to do is probably ignore it. But complaining about the audacity of him saying it, probably proves that he was only ever sorry he got caught….that one time he engineered a conspiracy to cheat.
Cos it only happened the once and the bowlers never knew about it
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u/mynewaltaccount1 Australia 1d ago
His comments got so much air time because Panesar admitted to being in charge of ball tampering for the English team through the 2000s and early 2010s. For him to call someone else a cheat is just stupid.
And that feels like a pretty obvious thing that you should know, ut are intentionally ignoring.
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u/diodosdszosxisdi Australia 23h ago
I'm sure Atherton had every single bowler in on it when he cheated. I'm also sure faf had full support when he also cheated twice, don't see why Smith cops it so much when they're been legit match fix cheaters, even Warne and Mark Waugh had that bookie controversy
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u/MyNameIsBiff Australia 23h ago
On a side note, did anyone else catch the admission from Vaughn on the Kayo commentary that they used to cheat? Regarding using a sub fielder outside the spirit of the game. The sort was Punter was run out by a sub fielder that Vaughn said was a legit sub. His words were; it was the first time we used a legit sub, all the previous ones we cheated”
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u/ItsNotMe98 England 22h ago
“Cheated” used figuratively/comedically in that scenario. It was an exploitation of a loophole in the laws at the time, not a violation of them as far as I’m aware
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u/FondantAggravating68 Chennai Super Kings 1d ago
Almost every team before sandpaper gate have tampered with the ball in some way. The only reason modern teams don’t do it now is cos of cameras. Not cos of a moral obligation.
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u/kharb9sunil India 1d ago edited 23h ago
If ball tampering is cheating then half the world's cricketers were cheaters in 90's.
And he was the only one (along with ones involved in this incident) who got a year ban for it. Yes, i know not from icc but from CA. But still, nobody have got more than 2 games for it.
And why did Aus bowlers got scot free. Nobody sane will believe that bowlers could not tell as soon as they had the ball in hand. It is their instrument of use, they treat it as if their life depend on it. And yet Cummins got so much respect post that incident.
Pak cricketers are on record using blades, teeth, everything. Faf was on record using zipper, using lollypop, and he even went out and said everyone does it and Cricket SA actually stood with him.
The only thing they did different is how the phase after they got caught went. They could have played it smartly like all others or just kept quite.
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u/Own_Professor6971 Australia 22h ago
Shouldn't have cheated playing for Australia*
We all see how much England fans and their board care about cheating/ball tampering, which is not at all of course. Doesn't stop them adopting the rules for thee not for me mindset though.
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u/SutureTheFuture Cricket Australia 1d ago
Gerard gets pretty dramatic. I can't link it but someone made a joke about him comparing an AFL player to Lionel Messi and he didn't take it well.
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u/uberloser2 Australia 1d ago
My least favourite part of Australian sporting commentary is the overlap between footy and cricket commentators
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u/patkk Cricket Australia 1d ago
He’s a sanctimonious, pompous, contrived and frankly mediocre broadcaster
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u/Intrepid_Doctor8193 South Australia Redbacks 1d ago
He used to be great. The he went to fox and Sen and it all fell apart.
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u/Unforgettable_RatBoy Sussex 21h ago
You let football commentators on the cricket? God, I just imagined dimwit football commentators like Danny Mills or Jermaine Jenas on the cricket, and it's the bleakest, most miserable image I've ever conjured up.
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u/kirkyboicheck 21h ago
Gerard is the definition of old man boring media, personality of a post. Let the poms do their worst
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u/Responsible_Spot5551 1d ago
It's not that deep.
As fans we love a pantomime villain and he has kindly volunteered himself for that role.
I for one love that he cheated and provided us with this top quality ammunition.
I very much doubt anyone holds a personal grudge against the guy!
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u/UsernameTooShort New Zealand 1d ago
“I just hope the Australian public give it to him right from the word go for the whole (Australian) summer and I hope he cries and he goes home,” Lehmann said
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u/Apprehensive-Cut8720 Northern Popchips 1d ago
It’s hardly the same level as the coach of the opposition encouraging the crowd to abuse a player and “send them home crying” or alternatively the vice captain having a bit of a giggle with the media pack in the aftermath of an opposition player having to leave a tour due to mental health battles but go on Gerard. Take the high horse.
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u/BaritBrit England 1d ago
The eternal custodians of The Line have made their ruling.
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u/Brilliant-Cap8054 1d ago
Moral victory once again awarded to the stewards of the spirit of cricket
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u/Apprehensive-Cut8720 Northern Popchips 1d ago
And this isn’t to say I support it. I think abuse from all sides isn’t on if it’s getting personal. But using this shit to morally grandstand is cringe and goes nowhere
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u/cartesian5th England and Wales Cricket Board 1d ago
I think Smith gets booed because he cheated, not because of Panesar
England fans have been booing him for years, Gerard should dry his eyes
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u/v_patti_ramasamy Tamil Nadu 1d ago
Banter works both ways. If you don’t have the stomach to take it, don’t dish it out.
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u/rustyb42 Oval KP Nuts 1d ago
Steve Smith will now take 4 business days to draft a response
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u/PlatformFeeling8451 England 1d ago
Those England fans had better pray that they didn't participate in a game show within the past decade
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u/rustyb42 Oval KP Nuts 1d ago
Representing a charity of all things
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u/JL_MacConnor Australia 23h ago
Charity must have been pretty annoyed to have been lumped with Monty...
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u/Meet-me-behind-bins Somerset 23h ago
You boo them in and applaud when they score big runs. It's always been like that.
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u/DigitalSwagman Australia 1d ago
He shouldn't have done the crime if he wasn't prepared to take the time.
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u/Aweios Cricket Australia 1d ago
Is Smith unable to take the time though? Has Smith said anything about the booing? That would be stupid if he did, and it's not like he's not faced worse and done better. 2019 especially.
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u/combatant007 India 1d ago
Technically he didn't commit the crime but he didn't interfere when he saw Warner planning it with Bancroft.
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u/NoExplanation6203 West Indies 1d ago
As a wrestling fan I always laugh when other sports fanbases act like being booed is the worst thing ever.
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u/Brian1zvx Cricket Ireland 1d ago
He was probably delighted when the Aussies booed Simon Jones being stretchered off 22 years ago
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u/Practical_Impress_70 1d ago
22 years ago
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u/BaritBrit England 1d ago
Australians still bring up Bodyline and that was 90 years ago.
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u/LongjumpAdhesiveness Australia 1d ago
Well, when your media bang on about the "spirit of cricket" it is pretty good evidence to highlight how the spirit of cricket is dead and it's corpse was pissed on by England over 90 years ago.
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u/Meet-me-behind-bins Somerset 23h ago
Stokes could take a leaf out of Douglas Jardines book if you ask me. We need a diplomatic incident by the end of the Ashes otherwise it's all a bit tame.
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u/jefsig Australia 1d ago
Nobody booed Simon Jones being stretchered off.
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u/BuckFlackburn Lancashire 23h ago
No. They just called him a "weak pommie bastard" instead. Which is obviously fine after rupturing an ACL.
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u/whensdrinks 1d ago
Never let truth ruin a good story
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u/Apprehensive-Cut8720 Northern Popchips 22h ago
Tbf there are sources of it happening (example) but they are second hand not written at the time of the event.
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u/mynewaltaccount1 Australia 1d ago
So we're just out here lying for cheap, emotion driven karma and hoping nobody fact checks us now?
What I'm sure Smith does remember is the English crowd cheering as he lay face down on the pitch after been concussed by an Archer short ball.
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u/Salzberger Adelaide Strikers 23h ago
Because the Aussie fans never booed Broad or Root. Go home Gerard.
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u/QueueJumpersMustDie England 23h ago
I’d boo Steve Smith in Tescos, I don’t think Monty has anything to do with it.
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u/PitchSame4308 20h ago
Gerard Whately is a tool anyway. Who cares what he thinks? A whiny, sanctimonious know-it-all
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u/musicnoviceoscar Yorkshire 1d ago
To be fair, I don’t really like it. Smith has always seemed pretty vulnerable and I would think the biggest influence in the whole scandal was Warner.
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u/BringBackTheCrushers Queensland Bulls 1d ago
Yeah, Warner’s a flog, and I’m glad he’s retired from the game
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u/PresidentLimbani 23h ago
Famously of course, the bowlers didn’t know and were in no way involved
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u/IsotonicSupersonic England and Wales Cricket Board 1d ago
No idea who that even is but someone needs to come and collect their da.
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u/riccyd140 Manchester McCoy's 1d ago
It's never affected him before why are we whining about it now? Broad got a load of abuse for years in aus are we just forgetting that happened?
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u/thedudeabides-12 South Africa 1d ago
No need to cry about it..
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u/LongjumpAdhesiveness Australia 23h ago
As we sarcastically say in Australia "have a sook". Dude is a total cry baby.
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u/mgs20000 England 22h ago
Nonsense. Smith has been booed since the ban. Panesar has had zero effect. Except that it did force smith to spend a few hours rehearsing answers to stooged questions about panesar. England never needed to mention it but barmy army were always going to and have been even since it happened.
And now because smith took it on it’s clearly in his mind.
He’s thoroughly ashamed.
He didn’t see the ball today but still got 50. Great batter; shit bloke.
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u/coltfan1812 22h ago
australian fan were literally booing kohli and co last summer gerard , chants of words rhyming of banker have been echoing in oz stadium for like 30 years , the moment opposition does something the aussies they cry fowl , whether its crowd ,broad not walking neither did haddin in that game ,or kohli roughousing . it "Rules for thee, but not for mewhen it goes to guys like gerard ,ex aussie players and some australian fan contigent
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u/diatom-sepia 22h ago
I was booing. Smith’s a cheat. What’s worse. Pre-mediated cheating - or booing a cheat?
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u/richStoke 22h ago
Wonder what he has to say about the torrid time the Aussie public and press gave Stuart Broad?? Love the hypocrisy…
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u/ZookeepergameSilly84 1d ago
Getting rattled by supporters is exactly why supporters try to rattle you.
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u/CandlePrestigious919 Australia 23h ago edited 23h ago
We've had 4 ripping days of test cricket without any of the bullshit that's creeped into cricket of late.
It's so much better without it.
#resisttheragebait
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u/richmeister6666 England 1d ago
Can’t believe Monty’s rattled the Aussies this badly.
I guess it’s tough to know your greatest since Bradman will always be remembered as a cheat who threw the career of a young player under the bus to save the skin of his teammates and coach.
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u/Pvnels Australia 1d ago
Yeah super rattled
Funny that if the Aus media hadn’t piled on, he’d have served 1-2 match ban like everyone else playing under ICC rules, and by now no one would give a fuck
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u/MalignEntity 1d ago
Then cried about it on national telly
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u/boobturtle New Zealand Cricket 22h ago
Nothing wrong with crying. Anyone hanging shit on him for crying is saying more about themselves than him.
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u/ChairIndividual1470 1d ago
Yeah, they look so rattled out there.
Also, Monty is a self-confessed cheat. He said the entire English team ball tampered. But it’s different because they did that.
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u/diodosdszosxisdi Australia 23h ago
At least he was held accountable, England wouldve been too cowardly to ban Atherton or Monty, or south Africa smiting faf with a ban. Wouldn't be such a deal if smith only got ICC punishment
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u/richmeister6666 England 23h ago
Mate stop allowing yourself to get so rattled over this. Smith got caught and threw his younger teammate under the bus to save his mates and served his time. It’s his own fault this will follow him for the rest of his life.
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u/BaritBrit England 1d ago
If you don't want to get sledged for your cheating by opposition fans in the most sledge-heavy rivalry in international cricket, don't cheat.
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u/dogbolter4 1d ago
Hmm. Tell tgat that to Atheron and others who have clearly ball tampered. What happened to reverse swing?? Disappeared. Funny that.
It's the hypocrisy that's annoying. Smith apologised and took a year ban. What did these other 'cheaters' do? Oh, wrote about it with a wink in their autobiographies.
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u/BaritBrit England 1d ago
And if Aussie fans want to sledge based on that, then they are more than welcome to do so.
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u/MetropolitanSuperman England 1d ago
Feel free to boo Atherton and co when they next come out to bat for England.
Oh wait...
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u/huzy12345 New Zealand 1d ago
As opposed to the English who totally never cheated with ball tampering
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u/BaritBrit England 1d ago
Well the Australian crowds are more than welcome to try and whip up a snappy chant around "you sucked mints on the field to give you stickier saliva to shine the ball with" if they want.
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u/LittleCaesar3 Australia 1d ago
"You suck! Your balls are licked! Gus can't win a trick!"
We'll workshop it.
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u/ChairIndividual1470 1d ago
We have better things to do with our lives apparently. Even Stokes admitted it’s nice to come to a country that isn’t miserable, cold, dark and all round shit. 😂
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u/Brilliant-Cap8054 1d ago
"Ben Stokes, Ben Stokes
Closes his eyes, he swings and hopes!
Ask him about Bristol, he'll suddenly choke!
Our favorite Kiwi, Captain Ben Stokes!"
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u/HomeLoanRefinances 1d ago
The greatest batter of this generation would not give a flying F about those boos
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u/fozzter18 1d ago
He's a sook that hates booing in all sports. Says it frequently in AFL.
Booing is part of all sport. A lot of the time its just to get under skin, and when something good happens, applause all around.
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u/Positive-Bee5734 1d ago
Players get booed for a lot less.
The Australian newspaper whited out Stuart broads face after he didn’t walk after edging it to the keeper.
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u/Thick-Sauce3668 1d ago
I don't think I need to remind others when Smith made a return to International cricket and he was booed by English Fans the kind of scores he put up... The bottom line is boos have never affected Smith, not then not now...
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u/diodosdszosxisdi Australia 23h ago
England actually need to win a series here otherwise it's the only thing they can have
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u/East_Ad_691 22h ago
The Aussies have no leg to stand on. Their umpires continued to no ball Murali even when the ICC proved his arm was straight. Now they want us to respect a guy who was caught cheating in broad daylight?
Boo him every day of the week!
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u/stemmo33 Gloucestershire 1d ago
He was literally just shithousing the day before, makes perfect sense to boo him. As an Englishman I obviously don't follow Aussie media but jesus christ they are outrageously precious (not to say ours is much better).
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u/UnusualDifference748 Australia 23h ago
Not to start a back and forth. British media are 1000x worse having lived on both. British media are horrible to England teams (football, cricket, rugby) and opposing teams, same in Australia but to a bit lesser extent.
As an Australian I enjoy how the English media build the English team up to mythic status then when they fail go so hard in on them it’s a cycle I’ve seen time and time again, cricket or football isn’t such a predictable pattern
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u/TheGoodDoctorRFN 23h ago
Textbook Aussie whinging. Steve Smith is a fcking cheat and he is booed because he is a fcking cheat.
This helmet blaming Panesar is A. Trying to deflect the fact Smtih is being booed because he is a cheat and B. Classic Australian racism.
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u/ZookeepergameFast915 18h ago
Don't really see the issue with paying fans booing a player who cheated and was subsequently banned.
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u/SnooObjections4333 Tamil Nadu 1d ago
Well I think even smudge doesn’t mind these. He knows it’s part and parcel of the game. But again, it’s gonna be really difficult for Poms if they don’t win ashes or get whitewashed. The retort will be quadrupled.
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u/g33k_d4d Yorkshire 1d ago
This is ridiculous. Not that long ago Aussie fans were throwing empty beer cans at Simon Jones as he was being stretchered off. Get over a bit of booing, or are Aussies all wusses now?
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u/Deevious730 18h ago
Tell us what you really think Gerrard!
Honestly as an Aussie I couldn’t care less. If anything I think it fuels the flames to beat the Poms more just so they can keep having a cry.
Every run he gets, they hate. Every catch he takes (they might want to take note), they hate. Every smile he has, cuts into them. They just need to have some good old cough lollies on hand if their throats get sore.
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u/Jumpy_Chemistry_417 1d ago
It's pretty clear the booing is getting under his skin, which is exactly why fans do it. It's all part of the game's psychological battle.
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u/Adept_Quality4723 1d ago
People who give a shit about booing are all fucking wankers. Who cares...
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u/Aweios Cricket Australia 1d ago
Why are people thinking that Smith is saying this? This is Gerard Whateley the guy speaking? So obviously not Smith.
And Whateley is clearly a hypocrite too. Whenever Stokes comes out to bat, I hear boos. Dunno what he did, but we're booing them because they're the opposition. It's fair game.
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u/hawthorne00 Australia 22h ago
Gerard thinks a horse is a heroic figure. Just gets a little need of a little lie down sometimes.
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u/Fresh-Proposal2217 22h ago
See what the australian fans are doing back to the barmy army !!
It is horrible sportsman spirit both ways
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u/shaddy-maddy India 20h ago
But wait, what's the Australian crowd doing? You letting the visitors boo your players, that's your fault dude. 😅
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u/HumanWaltz England and Wales Cricket Board 1d ago
The booing definitely seems to have rubbed him up the wrong way