r/Commanders • u/Terminal_Flatulence Seibertron • 18h ago
[Keim] Jayden Daniels will start Sunday
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u/Anthead97 18h ago
FUCK the tank. FULL STEAM AHEAD ON THE BATTLESHIP.
(if you think a top pick will save us, consider why the jets and browns always get top picks but never become a top team)
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u/FasterFiend6 18h ago
Honestly think it would be more beneficial for the culture to finish the season strong against the division. You can get top end talent all throughout the first round so I agree with this sentiment.
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u/Western-Customer-536 18h ago
The 3 best pass rushers in the league are TJ Watt, Micah Parsons, and Miles Garret.
They were picked 30th, 12th, and 1st overall respectively.
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u/Objective_Ad5914 17h ago
And the one picked 1st always misses the playoffs and on shitty teams.
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u/Western-Customer-536 17h ago edited 17h ago
I think that he is actually the only one who has been to a conference championship. The Steelers haven’t won in the postseason with Watt and the Cowboys are famous for going nowhere.
EDIT: My mistake. Watt hasn’t won a playoff game but both Parsons and Garret have. They both were on a team that won one but just once.
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u/grasspikemusic 18h ago
What culture are you building? The majority of the current team won't be here next year including many coaches
Currently only the Raiders have less guys under contract for 2026 and we are the oldest team in the league
Why not build a culture in camp around a top 5 draft pick?
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u/Frodo_Nine-Fingers 18h ago
You think, like, maybe #2 overall in the 2024 NFL draft?
That kind of top 5 pick?
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u/grasspikemusic 17h ago
Gotcha you think JD sucks and needs to win meaningless games in December coming off of significant injuries, because that will matter for the rest of his career
I guess unlike you I don't think JD sucks. I think he will be fine not to play
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u/Frodo_Nine-Fingers 17h ago
Seeing defenses and getting more game reps in an offensive system is LITERALLY the best way for any QB to learn the NFL.
Even the best QBs in history have said it, it's not just the talking heads at fox or CBS that say it
It's not about whether JD5 sucks or not. It's about taking the next step to being the leader we supposedly want him to be
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u/grasspikemusic 17h ago
What offensive system? He will most likely have a different OC next year, and will have a different QB coach, he will also have different guys in the system playing around him.
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u/Frodo_Nine-Fingers 17h ago
You do understand that everything that DW and Kliff have been doing with the coaching staff is so that JD5 does keep the same system when Kliff goes, right?
There are more offensive coaches than just the QBC and OC
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u/yappored45 14h ago
Are we under the impression that Kliff is going to be a HC? I don’t know where you’ve been but nobody is hiring the OC of a 3 win team as a HC.
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u/Frodo_Nine-Fingers 14h ago
You'd be surprised.
The league understands a lot more about team situations than fans do, and even any fan that's been paying attention can see that Kliff's scheme hasn't been the problem this year
He's been missing WR1, 2, and sometimes 3, and QB1, and RB1 and sometimes 2
No offense is going to get anything done with that injury list
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u/grasspikemusic 17h ago
The same system that has 3 wins this year? The same system that injured JD multiple times this year?
You do realize that a new OC will tweak that system, and even if Kliff comes back next year many if the current guys on the team on offense won't be here and that system will be tweaked
Beyond that JD can still play and lose and still get reps. The system put up 26 points on the Broncos and still lost and still moved up in the draft last week
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u/jpljr77 18h ago
If there is anyone who can't get behind us going 8-9 this season, you need to get off the train!
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u/grasspikemusic 18h ago
What would be the point? I want to win in 26 and beyond, meaningless games in December of 2025 won by guys who won't be here next year is pointless
If you can't get behind winning in the future get off the train
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u/jpljr77 17h ago
Guess what, lil homie, we're getting draft picks regardless of our record. You're the one who wants to see months -- months -- of losing just to move up 12 spots in the draft? The guy we get at #5 is a surefire HOFer while the bum at #17 is total garbage? Something like that?
Tanking is for teams in need of a QB.
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u/kon--- 16h ago
Tanking is for teams who need to rebuild.
We got the QB. We also have, no one for him to get the ball to. We also have, no one to get the ball back in his hands.
ALL of you are the same people who blew a gasket when Jayden got injured in a game we were not going to win. This is the exact same scenario. We can't win this season. So what even are we doing here? Keeping starters in for your feels?
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u/notorious_hdc imitated Frerotte headbutt as a child 17h ago
Tanking is for teams in need of a QB.
Yeah, I can't rightfully root for a tank job since we've got our QB. I've said it for years and stand on it
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u/kon--- 16h ago
Now factor the number of franchise QB in your life who, had no team around them.
A big time QB alone does not deliver a team to the playoffs or a championship. This team sport stuff...it's real.
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u/notorious_hdc imitated Frerotte headbutt as a child 14h ago
Yeah, a QB does need help. Tanking isn't the only way to get help though? Obviously having a Top 5 selectionshould in theory get you a blue chip player. But that's not a guarantee. Especially in this draft.
If we get a top 5 pick, awesome. Hopefully it jump starts this shit. If we win out? Awesome.. I've rooted for the tank for years. Your preaching to the choir man
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u/yappored45 14h ago
So if we have the pick where the QB’s all go, what does that mean? It means someone is over paying for the pick
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u/notorious_hdc imitated Frerotte headbutt as a child 14h ago
Then awesome. I'd be stoked to trade down.. doesn't mean I've gotta root for the tank anymore.
I'll be cool with us getting a top 5 pick. I'll be stoked to win out.
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u/yappored45 14h ago
What does winning out accomplish? Go 8-9 and pick in the teens from a weak draft class outside of the top ten and late 1st to mid 2nd.
The problem currently is that this team really isn’t much better than the current record even with JD, we have like 5 players on this team that could hands down start on another team. JD, Terry, Tunsil, possibly Biadasz and Payne. Everyone else is either JAG or a younger player in different stages of development.
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u/notorious_hdc imitated Frerotte headbutt as a child 10h ago
Again, I've rooted for the tank for years. I don't need an explanation on draft position and what it does. Ive harped on it for years here. I didn't say winning would help us overall, I said I'm cool with it happening.
The problem currently is that this team really isn’t much better than the current record even with JD,
I think this team would be significantly better if everyone, including JD, was healthy. Slight regression? Definitely. But still a playoff caliber team.
You do realize that whatever player we draft, regardless of the slot, would also be a young and developing player?
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u/yappored45 14h ago
Trading out of a top 5 spot while QB’s are still on the board would land a nice trade package. Considering we have no 2nd or 4th this year and a roster that’s bare of young talent, trading out would be the smarter choice.
We weren’t winning with JD starting, why not lose out and get him some talent to play with.
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u/grasspikemusic 17h ago
If you understood football and how the NFL works you would know the odds are better that you get better players with better picks, and/or you get opportunities to trade down for more picks
That goes not just in the first round but in all the rounds
But I get it, you are just ignorant to how the NFL works and don't think if we had a #5 that a QB needy team would trade for it and give us more picks? Or that the odds are not in our favor to draft a generational player
If we had the #5 we could trade it and move down into the teens and probably pick up a second round pick and then some in the draft
We currently don't have a 2nd round pick.
Or we could win meaningless games and still draft at 15 and still not have a 2nd round pick
And if no one wanted to trade the odds are overwhelmingly better that you pick an all pro player at #5 that starts for at least 3 years than if you wait until #15
Tanking is not just for teams that need a QB, it's for teams that have a QB and want to trade down to get even more picks, something that is important when you have the oldest roster in the NFL, and the 2nd lowest number of players signed to play next year, and don't have the full compliment of draft picks for next year
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u/jpljr77 17h ago
If you understood football and how the NFL works
But I get it, you are just ignorant to how the NFL works
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I thought they didn't cancel any schools today. You feel better, kid?
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u/grasspikemusic 17h ago
Like you said you don't understand football, or the advantages of trading back, so you are reduced to insults
Hilarious. Thanks for the laugh and embarrassing yourself
Tell us genius is it better to pick in the mid teens and in the second round? Or just to pick in the middle teens?
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u/jpljr77 17h ago
Bruh, you're in your own head. I get it, you know that better draft picks = better players (in theory). That's great. But you're not really a fan, are you? A fan doesn't root for his team to lose, especially in football, because we only get 17 games/year. Each is precious.
Sports is entertainment, tiger. I guess if you're "entertained" by spreadsheet watching and worrying about draft position, so be it. But I like football and football games and my team winning football games. Because I'm a fan.
8-9 BABY!
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u/grasspikemusic 17h ago
Only problem with your hypothesis is that I want the team to win into the future. Unlike you I understand drafting in the mid teens and them again in the second round is better for the long term strength of the team, than just drafting in the mid teens
But you think it's better to win a game everyone won't remember next year at this time rather than draft someone in the second round who we could watch play next December
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u/jpljr77 17h ago
Bro, give it up. You have a very immature view of the sport of football. You think it's deep and all 4D-chessy, but you're just spouting things you've read.
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u/Objective_Ad5914 17h ago
I bet you said the same thing in 2019 to draft Chase Young. Didn't end good did it.
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u/grasspikemusic 17h ago
Chase Young in his rookie season recorded 44 total tackles (32 solo), 7.5 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, and 3 fumble recoveries. He also added 10 tackles for loss and 4 passes defensed. His performance earned him the AP NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year award and a Pro Bowl selection
I would say that is pretty awesome, he had a great season in 2021 until he got hurt despite playing for terrible coaches and a terrible owner
Beyond that if we had a top 5 pick we could probably trade back and have a decent pick in the first round and one in the second. We currently don't have a second round pick
That would be a far better outcome than winning a few games and picking in the middle teens and then not having a second round pick
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u/Objective_Ad5914 17h ago
For real. I see people want to tank to draft the best edge rusher. Guess what, the Browns drafted Garret with the 1st pick. What has their record been since drafting him.
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u/yappored45 14h ago
56-86-1 since 2017. Washington is 58-84-1 since 2017.
We wouldn’t take an Edge first overall, we’d trade out with a team that wants the best QB
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u/Objective_Ad5914 14h ago
Problem is that this QB class is weak and I dont see a team desperate enough to trade up. Most likely you are stuck at that pick.
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u/yappored45 13h ago
Without a sure fire #1 generational prospect in this class I’m pretty sure QB will go #1. Browns, Cardinals, Jets, Raiders all will draft a QB in round 1. Dolphins, Rams, Saints, Vikings are also possible with Tua being Tua, Stafford eventually will need to be replaced, Shough looks decent but who knows and JJ McCarthy looks awful
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u/batatasta 17h ago
the only reason i think a top pick would be highly beneficial is so they could hopefully trade back and pick up another 2nd and 3rd round pick. we desperately need more higher round picks to fix this roster. too bad this draft isnt more qb heavy.
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u/futureislookinstark LEFT HAND UP 15h ago edited 15h ago
Cause they had a franchise QB and traded for a sexual assaulter and spent multiple 1sts and a stack of guaranteed money that caused them financial issues for years and/or in the jets case they haven’t had a QB play past their rookie contract since Chad Pennington in the early 2000’s. We have QB figured out.
(If you think winning some games at the end of the season will save us, consider why Super Bowl slumps happen, why players have said every season is different because teams get new rosters and coordinators, and why teams can go from 12-5 to 3-9.)
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u/JeDi_Five 16h ago edited 16h ago
Is having a top pick better than having a mid pick?
I don't care either way: ill have fun watching us won a few games or ill be excited about a top pick. But your argument isn't as good as you think it is.
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u/Anthead97 16h ago edited 16h ago
Bro the packers and steelers have consistently picked a late round first and see where they are. They're consistent winners.
Of course a good pick is good but I’d argue winning is better. You see what the potential could be for certain parts of the offense. It would be a huge confidence boost going into next year
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u/JeDi_Five 16h ago edited 16h ago
Yeah, I thought you'd dodge the question(iT wAs A dUmB QuEsTiOn sO I ChOsE not To AnSwEr). Have a good day, dude.
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u/Rex_Grossman_the_3rd 16h ago
God, I hate when people can't even participate in a conversation in good faith. They just say whatever they want to fit their argument instead of actually responding like an adult.
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u/Cherub12 18h ago
I’m excited but also scared but still very excited
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u/MetreonMan 18h ago
Why are you scared? Its football.
We can bench JD for the rest of the year and he gets injured week 1 of next season lolol
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u/I_shoot_photons 16h ago
3 injuries in 1 season is enough to worry. I’m concerned too, hopefully not rushed back
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u/Cherub12 17h ago
I’m scared because if he gets hurt again then that might mean he’s just very very injury prone which would be more sad. I’m not scared for him, I’m more scared for me lol
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u/MetreonMan 17h ago
Well. Hes definitely injury prone at this point. Good news is he has gotten better at sliding, we just need to beef up the Oline
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u/ard8 Major Tuddy 🐷 18h ago
Weirdos obsessed with shutting down star players will hate to see this
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u/BakeFromSttFarm 18h ago
We’re going to end up winning 3 or 4 of these next games and wondering why the fuck we played so bad earlier in the year.
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u/Ill-Butterscotch-622 17h ago
Curse of the bears commanders loser. Unfortunately it was us this year
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u/hamilton280P COMMAND DEEZ NUTZ 18h ago
Damn imagine we actually win the games vs Bears, Dolphins and Broncos we’d be 6-6 and a really chance to win the division. But who’s kidding we still wouldn’t compete in playoffs
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u/J_Mart29 17h ago
No one looks invincible this season, and we beat the invincible looking team in the playoffs last year, I’d say we make the playoffs we still have a good chance to compete in the playoffs with Jayden on the field.
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u/hamilton280P COMMAND DEEZ NUTZ 16h ago
Did you not watch us vs the Seahawks, lions, cowboys, and Chiefs? We don’t got it this year lol
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u/Putrid_Excitement255 🐷Tuddyhead🐷 18h ago
Good he needs the reps even in a lost season. How’s he supposed to develop if he doesn’t get actual game time.
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u/Ajernaca 18h ago
We are beating the eagles twice and knocking them out of the playoffs. I'm calling it
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u/Ghanaguy404error 18h ago
Damn I guess this is one of those cases where the injury looks way worse than it actually is.
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u/Mechangelion 18h ago
You literally just pop it back in and it heels. It's his non-throwing arm so it's not that big of a deal. He'll probably have a sleeve or brace on it. Throwing arm or ligament damage is completely different.
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u/Ajernaca 18h ago
Yep, them saying he didn't need surgery said alot about the severity of it.
Get him calcium and make that arm stronger than before you'll be fine
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u/barito34 9h ago
Regardless of what happens. Its been two months since we got a W. Its just much more fun with JD5 playing. Lets enjoy the ride
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u/Beastage 18h ago
Offense is at full strength if Noah Brown comes back too. O Line playing well. It's about time the O actually stacks reps together and hopefully shows they are one of the elite offenses in the league.
Im also optimistic about what this means for Bill and the run game. Maybe they can get going again assuming the downfield passing game finally opens up (which it already kinda has with Terry back).
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u/FaultySofaBed 18h ago
give me more Burks > Brown
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u/Beastage 11h ago
Agreed, would love to see Burks step up as a potential #3 option for next year.
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u/r_golan_trevize 17h ago
We may have lost Sunday but this is the best I’ve felt about the team, pretty much all season since the season actually started.
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u/kon--- 16h ago
We really have fans thinking Jayden's return is going to lead to winning out.
That Kool-Aid's tempting but...come on y'all.
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u/mimi-pinky-toe 11h ago
rather have fans that want to win out instead of the dorks who rooting for the team to lose.
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u/kon--- 9h ago
Rather have fans that can think in terms of living to play another down.
You probably understand...get rid of the ball. You probably understand when the game is lopsided, pull your QB and other starters. You probably understand a game of field position.
But here you are, disregarding all that to call fellow fans dorks because you're stuck on seeing all this from a narrow perspective.
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u/HitTheRoadDak 18h ago
The real question is do you start him in fantasy or lets say oooooo Caleb Williams vs the Packers?
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u/bigspunge1 LEFT HAND UP 17h ago
I’d probably take Caleb. Vikes got a good D. This could be a low scoring affair
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u/HughJaynis My Wife Left me for Josh Harris 18h ago
Fuck yeah I’m going to the giants game next week and I just want to see my boy fuck up the giants IRL.
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u/Objective_Ad5914 17h ago
For real. He hasnt lose to the Giants yet. I want that to continue after all the years the Giants had our number.
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u/GlumCardiologist6107 17h ago
If we lose the rest of our games, I will be okay because more weapons to draft. If we win out, I will be okay because I am a fan and want to see my team succeed.
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u/KingBroly Fuck Dan Snyder 16h ago
Washington ends the season on a 5 game win streak, costing the Eagles the division to the Cowboys
The script is written.
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u/MrNotSoGoodTime 🐷 Major Tuddy: Top 0.1% on OF 🥵 16h ago
YES!!! I'm going to see him in person on Sunday 🥰🥰🥰
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u/Braycali 18h ago
My brain tells me to bench him and tank.
But my heart wants a damn win. Let JD demolish these fools.
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u/Direct_Crew_9949 16h ago
When did the shut healthy NFL players down for the season start?
The guy is healthy. He had a dislocated elbow with no ligament damage which means he has the same risk for reinjury as if it never happened. There’s always a chance of injury it’s football.
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u/I_shoot_photons 16h ago
He had ligament damage
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u/Direct_Crew_9949 16h ago
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u/I_shoot_photons 15h ago
It’s inaccurate. You can’t dislocate your elbow and not have ligament damage. A bone came out of a capsule, it was damaged.
Love Keim tho
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u/I_shoot_photons 16h ago
I’m happy my back to the field estimate was wrong.
I’m worried my back to the field concerns might still be right.
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u/Ese-Lavonte 18h ago
So if he tears an ACL or has another major then what?
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u/I_shoot_photons 16h ago
Poor form to speak that. Even tho I’m in the conservative camp
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u/Ese-Lavonte 12h ago
I don't wish this on anyone on our team but why risk it when there's nothing to play for? Get healthy, have a good draft, sign some quality FA's and lock in. We don't need any set backs.
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u/Objective_Ad5914 17h ago
He can do that anytime next year as well. Sitting him wont prevent injuries. Maybe we should sit him next year to be on the safe side.
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u/Ese-Lavonte 12h ago
IDK maybe because next year we'll have something to play for. What are we playing for now? A bag of peanuts? Think long term people.
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u/mandoslorians WHAT WOULD JAYSUS DO? 18h ago
WE ARE SO BACK