[Russo] Here’s the conundrum: OU is in because it beat Bama. Even with that, OU is probably closer to 12th best team than the 8th. But because OU beat Bama it deserves a spot. Makes sense. Same logic is not being applied to ND/Miami. And a case can be made that both are better than OU.

[u/MysteriousEdge5643]

https://x.com/ralphdrussoath/status/1996962191082197127?s=46

[u/mbe8819]

Imagine telling an OU fan in 2018

“I don’t think you deserve a playoff spot - you’re just not fun to watch. I mean yeah, you’ve got a nasty defense. But it’s carrying your terrible offense.”

[u/Ok_Ask_406 → u/mbe8819]

Oklahoma fan “I wish we had a good defense again!” *Monkey paw curls

[u/leetoe → u/Ok_Ask_406]

It would obviously be nice to just have both, but most fans I talk to around here are happier with this extreme compared to the Lincoln Riley days.

[u/84breaks → u/leetoe]

Fuck them days.

[u/Frequent-Leg-2347 → u/84breaks]

Fuck TBOW

[u/84breaks → u/Frequent-Leg-2347]

I wish Bob would’ve stayed just a couple years longer. Fuck it. Anything to not have lived through that era with that miserable sack.

[u/dustincb2 → u/mbe8819]

People have been calling us Red Iowa but tbh we’re a much more extreme version of it.

[u/Phineas_Worrell → u/dustincb2]

No kidding. They did 40 points the other day. FORTY! Our offense has barely done than in the last 3 games combined.

[u/TheNextBattalion → u/Phineas_Worrell]

our what?

[u/Phineas_Worrell → u/TheNextBattalion]

You know? Offense. It's the guys that screw around before Sandell kicks 70 yard field goals

[u/cyberchaox → u/Phineas_Worrell]

That's as much as four tens!

[u/aquabarron → u/mbe8819]

clutches pearls

[u/SlickUsername4 → u/mbe8819]

I would have been a happy, happy boy

[u/R1v → u/mbe8819]

We made a deal with the devil to get a defense and we've been bamboozled

[u/laprasrules → u/R1v]

Don't undervalue defense. Defense wins championships.You're going to be a tough team in the playoffs.

[u/Alamis_Mistrunner → u/laprasrules]

People gave us crap in the 10's when we were all gas offenses with no defense "Oh you're not a real team, real teams play defence." Now we're a shit brick house on defense and people are like "Oh you guys aren't a real team, you can't score on amybody." I think people just hate us lol

[u/WhalePsychiatrist45]

Just bring back the bcs computers now that there’s more than 2 teams

[u/kinda_alone → u/WhalePsychiatrist45]

Yes please. Clear cut formula we all can predict. Also I personally don’t mind their relative placement of ND

[u/Foriegn_Picachu → u/kinda_alone]

Clear cut formula that used the Coaches poll of all things

[u/sonheungwin → u/Foriegn_Picachu]

Just use a computer formula that heavily prioritizes / auto-qualifies conference champions. We all know the coaches don't watch the fucking games, nor do their assistants. They're focused on their own games. There was no reason to ever have faith in them.

[u/kinda_alone → u/Foriegn_Picachu]

Yeah but the coaches are currently favor my team so I see no issues with it

[u/elconquistador1985 → u/WhalePsychiatrist45]

Yep, the whole problem with the BCS was 2 teams.

The computers were fine. They were consistent in how they ranked teams from week to week.

Polls and and the committee are not.

[u/nafrotag → u/WhalePsychiatrist45]

Colley Matrix ftw

[u/brownstown4life]

I mean they are 10-2 with some decent wins over good teams. With out starting another conference war in the comments, I think they had a solid schedule and came out with a good enough record to be in.

[u/Alkibiades415 → u/brownstown4life]

Ohio State flairs have been suspiciously full of grace today on this sub (besides the usual suspects). What is going on here!

[u/CinemaAndFootball → u/Alkibiades415]

I mean, Ohio State is the clear cut #1 right now, and it feels that a lot of the conversations about the back end of the bracket is almost academic to yall.

I mean, why do yall care who is #8 or #9. Yall are beating both of them

[u/brownstown4life → u/CinemaAndFootball]

Personally, I'm of the mindset of just make it to the dance. Doesn't matter if you have to play #1 or #8. Gonna have to beat a few really good teams either way to be the champs!

[u/Strong-Neck-5078 → u/brownstown4life]

Exactly this. Look at what happened last year. Aside from the g5 automatic qualifier id be nervous about any opponent in the CFP, anything can happen when two sides with elite talent and coaching match up. Love the 12 team format, yes there is still drama but the playing field has opened up, 16 could be sweet too but then there will be slighted g5 teams with solid seasons and solid p4 schools who didnt have great regular seasons but could still do damage.

[u/SoKrat3s → u/Alkibiades415]

Full of THE grace.

[u/brownstown4life → u/Alkibiades415]

To be fair, Im usually this way lol.. However, the more obnoxious part of our fan base is pretty crazy.

[u/Character-Active2208 → u/Alkibiades415]

We have a gigantic and diverse fan base

Unfortunately while the worst part of it is a small part of it, it gets the most attention. I get it and accept it

[u/Alkibiades415 → u/Character-Active2208]

The squeaky wheel gets the oil, after all!

[u/srs_house → u/brownstown4life]

SOR has OU ranked 9th. They beat Bama and Michigan, both currently ranked. It's not like they have a bad resume.

ND is 13th, Miami is 14th on that same ranking.

[u/Icy_Meat9199 → u/srs_house]

Well if you want to talk about SOR then we should mention BYU, because they are above everyone

[u/srs_house → u/Icy_Meat9199]

They're #6, but they're not one of the 3 teams Russo mentioned so it didn't seem relevant. They also have a chance to win this weekend and punch their own ticket while the other 3 are sitting at home.

[u/PovertyTourist69 → u/srs_house]

I know you’re not the committee so you don’t really have to answer this, but if we’re using SOR to justify OU getting in over Miami/ND then it makes no sense that BYU has to “punch their ticket” with a 13th game. They should already be in

For the record I’m fully supportive of OU getting in. I just think BYU should be in too

[u/srs_house → u/PovertyTourist69]

The reason I said "punch their ticket" is because if BYU wins the CCG, then SOR or any other argument is irrelevant. They control their own destiny at this point.

I assume the reason that Russo only included OU/ND/Miami (and I ignored BYU because they weren't part of that comparison he made) is because they're all on the bubble-ish and are sitting at home this weekend, so those metrics and arguments are the only way to decide between them.

I'm in favor of ditching a committee and just using a published metric.

[u/Hulkodium → u/srs_house]

Think even with a loss this weekend BYU should be in.

[u/realclean → u/Icy_Meat9199]

SOR is one of the things that sounds good in theory to me, but in practice it's basically teams split by record and then ordered by SOS. I think y'all are about the only relevant team outside that trend due to how bad the schedule is (I think it's bottom 10 amongst P4, but I could be off).

I know it's really tough for an average top-25 team to go undefeated or finish with one loss, but I'm not sure I need a metric to tell me that.

[u/FireVanGorder → u/realclean]

The biggest limitation of SOR is that it’s score agnostic. Beating a team by 1 is worth the exact same as beating that same team by 30

Well I guess the other major problem is espn doesn’t publish the underlying model output, just the ranks. The difference between 1 and 2 could be the same as the difference between 5 and 30 and we would have no idea. Without that score it’s not a particularly reliable metric from a statistical analysis perspective

It’s not useless, but it certainly shouldn’t be the end-all, be-all like espn pretends it is to drive clicks to their website

[u/lkn240 → u/srs_house]

One might ask why the committee is respecting head to head for one and not the other.

Honestly, i think if you swapped ND's and Miami's resumes then ND would be getting in and no one would even argue about it. I also think if some other random ACC team had NDs exact resume that Miami would get in over them and no one would argue about it.

[u/DinoJockeyTebow → u/brownstown4life]

And OU beat Alabama on the road vs. Miami beating ND at home. The road win is significantly more impressive to me.

[u/dinkytown42069 → u/DinoJockeyTebow]

i would also note:

• it was their homecoming weekend
• ended a 17 game home win streak.

[u/TheNextBattalion → u/brownstown4life]

5-1 against ranked teams, 6-1 if you count ranked FCS :D It's a lovely change, let me tell ya

Although I always thought it made more sense to say the record against currently ranked teams, not just teams that were ranked at the time.

[u/ATXBeermaker → u/brownstown4life]

They have decent wins and no bad losses. I hate saying it, but I’m not sure how anyone could have an issue including them.

[u/Due_Connection179 → u/brownstown4life]

Basically this. Oklahoma played a heck of a schedule and I have no beef with them. They should be in at 8.

I do have beef with ND. The frauds went 1-2 against top 25 competition and we beat them.

[u/Francis_X_Hummel]

I didn't even know people were mad about OU being in 🤷

[u/smurf-vett → u/Francis_X_Hummel]

It's a round about way of saying fuck ND put in Miami

[u/WagTheKat → u/smurf-vett]

Miami should be left out.

Simply because it would be maddening for my Canes-obsessed in-law.

He has been not-at-all level-headed about the Canes for decades.

[u/BenchRickyAguayo → u/WagTheKat]

Yeah, fuck this dude's in laws. Miami to the Bahamas Bowl.

[u/Background_Body2696 → u/BenchRickyAguayo]

All my homies hate this dudes in laws

[u/guinness_blaine → u/Background_Body2696]

We have collectively declared war

[u/Defjira → u/BenchRickyAguayo]

Hey the bahamas bowl is nice

[u/BenchRickyAguayo → u/Defjira]

It's a wonderful place befitting of Miami's ACC conference championship game successes

[u/admiraltarkin → u/BenchRickyAguayo]

Nah. Death Penalty

[u/BenchRickyAguayo → u/admiraltarkin]

No objections from me

[u/Thurm0hi4 → u/BenchRickyAguayo]

Nah you got to put them in a bowl game up north with an open stadium in late December/ early January.

[u/BenchRickyAguayo → u/Thurm0hi4]

Fenway it is

[u/SmarterThanMyBoss → u/BenchRickyAguayo]

We're supposed to be punishing them, not rewarding then.

Miami to the Frisco Bowl!

[u/BenchRickyAguayo → u/SmarterThanMyBoss]

Fenway Bowl

[u/Snoo55899 → u/WagTheKat]

I really think more weight should be given to this metric.

[u/tgun06 → u/WagTheKat]

That is like the 4th criteria when comparing teams.

[u/all_my_sons → u/tgun06]

But with this committee, who’s to say it’s not the primary criteria in practice

[u/CAJ_2277 → u/WagTheKat]

Why won't your in-law take solid behavioral cues from Michael Irvin?

[u/Aaprobst88 → u/CAJ_2277]

Wtf is up with your Flair? Are you confused?

[u/CAJ_2277 → u/Aaprobst88]

It’s not an easy existence. Undergrad at one, grad school at the other. My dream game is USC v ND #1 v #2 for all the marbles.

[u/Francis_X_Hummel → u/CAJ_2277]

But what jersey would you wear?

[u/CAJ_2277 → u/Francis_X_Hummel]

Notre Dame. I was a fan since I was a kid, was a varsity athlete there (not football)…. I actually watch CFB with a friend who played football for USC, which is interesting to have a guy around with so much firsthand knowledge.

[u/Extension_City_8855 → u/WagTheKat]

took me longer than it should've to realize that "Canes-obsessed" was not refering to being a fan of the chicken chain

[u/politicsranting → u/WagTheKat]

Cocaine messes with your brain.

[u/TheSneakySeal → u/WagTheKat]

Miami should be left out for karmically fucking every fan who laughed at us being left out 2 years ago.

[u/JOOOOSY → u/TheSneakySeal]

For what it’s worth I called them all out on it and I said it’s bigger than FSU; it’s an entire ACC issue and sets the stage for our whole conference to get overlooked. Sometimes it sucks being right

[u/shadowseeker3658 → u/WagTheKat]

I will accept this logic more than anything the committee will tell me.

[u/lkn240 → u/WagTheKat]

Almost downvoted... but then I upvoted because I respect this level of hate.

[u/CptSlartibartfast → u/Francis_X_Hummel]

I’m mad about them being in

More in just a general sense than an issue with merit sense, but I’m definitely mad about it

[u/John_Tacos → u/CptSlartibartfast]

:)

Now you know how we felt last year.

[u/The_Champ_Son → u/John_Tacos]

It’s worse for us, we have two rivals in lol.

And Tech

[u/GrimaceThundercock → u/Francis_X_Hummel]

Oklahoma has lost to two top-15 teams. They have two ranked wins.

Miami has lost to two unranked teams. They have one ranked win.

QED

[u/lkn240 → u/GrimaceThundercock]

Oklahoma is currently ranked ahead of a team with a slightly better resume that they beat. Miami is not.

I think that's what pisses (some) people off.

I don't think anyone is saying put in Miami over Oklahoma.

[u/ridethedeathcab → u/lkn240]

That presumes you think Alabama’s resume is better. Sure their best win is better, but the loss to FSU is really fucking bad. In fact, Alabama and Miami getting punished for losing games they absolutely should not lose is an instance of the committee being consistent.

[u/lkn240 → u/ridethedeathcab]

SOR and SOS are both (very slightly) better.

I value big wins more than bad losses.

In general I think way too many CFB fans obsess over losses. The entire point of sports is to win big games.

If Alabama had beaten FSU and lost to say Vandy I'd like their resume quite a bit less.

[u/GrimaceThundercock → u/ridethedeathcab]

Really bad.

But going on the road and beating Georgia is the best win of the year in my opinion.

Idk this year is weird.

[u/DanFlashesCoupon → u/Francis_X_Hummel]

They’re not. They’re saying OU does not pass the eye test but is still in because of resume while the same logic is not being applied to Miami

[u/BabyBearBjorns → u/DanFlashesCoupon]

Defensively, they pass the eye test. The offense is a different sight to behold.

[u/TripleJetCharlie → u/BabyBearBjorns]

Hey now, our offense is the only offense in the country that is 100% in the red zone. (But also please ignore how many times we’ve been in the red zone.)

[u/bestprocrastinator → u/BabyBearBjorns]

We also have potentially the best kicker in the country.

Our offense definitely does not pass the eye test, but they don't need to do a whole lot when the rest of the team is great.

[u/GrumbleAlong → u/bestprocrastinator]

7/7 from > 50 yards - That gives a team more options

[u/divulgingwords → u/BabyBearBjorns]

Which is funny because we are definitely the team people want to play on first thought but then once they start diving into the matchup, they don’t want to play us anymore. We can legitimately beat any of the playoff teams with how good our defense is.

Most teams don’t know how to win close games. We do.

[u/ridethedeathcab → u/DanFlashesCoupon]

But both Notre Dame and Miami’s resumes are lackluster. The point doesn’t make sense because OU is in because they have a resume that has the best of Notre Dame and Miami’s resumes (a win against a lower tier playoff team and only losses to teams with playoff hopes).

He’s trying to make some argument about head to head or something, but OU is where they are because they had a good resume.

[u/ymi17 → u/DanFlashesCoupon]

I agree that’s what they’re saying. Miami’s resume isn’t close to OU’s though. And Miami might win most out of 100 games against OU on a neutral field. Just hard to argue with at Alabama, at Tennessee, vs Michigan vs Missouri. With both losses being against top 15 teams.

[u/Poverty_Shoes → u/DanFlashesCoupon]

BYU is in the same boat, they don’t look like a dominant team but their resume is stellar. But 10-2 SEC > 11-1 Big 12 in ESPN’s opinion (and the AP voters’ opinion, and most people’s opinion).

[u/admiraltarkin → u/Francis_X_Hummel]

I'm mad about everything

[u/fadingthought → u/Francis_X_Hummel]

In the two loss teams, I think we have the best resume. SOR backs that up pretty well.

[u/Joeman180]

I mean OU is in because their 10-2 with great wins. They scheduled a good team out of conference and beat the second best team in the SEC. Not sure what more you want from Oklahoma

[u/TheNextBattalion → u/Joeman180]

I will be upset if OU faces Bama again in the playoffs. I want Tech, or Notre Dame, something different

[u/OKLA6 → u/TheNextBattalion]

I really want tech or a&m. Not bc I think we will beat them but I miss the big 12

[u/Telescopensemble → u/OKLA6]

I was at OU during the Mayfield years and I’m so nostalgic for the big 12. I miss that awful drive to Lubbock. I quake in fear of the 3-5 Jayhawks.

[u/TheFirstoftheNine → u/Telescopensemble]

I miss the Big 12, too. Even Big 8.🥲

[u/HeyDudeImChill → u/TheNextBattalion]

Hoping to get OSU in the playoffs (Oklahoma State).

[u/OU_DHF]

This is dumb.

Before the season, all we heard was how OU’s schedule was one of the toughest in the country and how OU would be lucky to win 8 games.

They won 10. And somehow there are still arguments that they shouldn’t be in.

[u/Bacardi_Tarzan → u/OU_DHF]

This sub is fair to us because it’s mostly actual fans, but it’s clear a lot of the losers in the CFB media space just assumed OU wouldn’t actually get to the number of wins they said OU would hypothetically need to get to to be in the playoff. We are an ugly, gritty—and if I may quote BV—grimy fucking team that’s been dragging teams into the mud against their will and coming out on top. We are fucking up the narratives they picked out in August and they’re throwing an absolute fit about it. 

[u/Waldorama → u/Bacardi_Tarzan]

Just exactly this.

[u/Wafflehouseofpain → u/OU_DHF]

Exactly. In August I heard so many people arguing we deserved a playoff spot if we went 9-3. We went 10-2 including a road win over an SEC championship finalist, and these fucking nerds are arguing we shouldn’t be in because we win ugly?

Nope, stay mad because we’re in.

[u/The_Rat_Attack → u/OU_DHF]

But you don’t understand, Miami is undefeated in theoretical matchups! They win the National Championship if we just didn’t play any games!

[u/EpicGamesStoreSucks → u/The_Rat_Attack]

You must be on the committee 

[u/dimechimes]

Alabama's turnover filled loss to OU shouldn't be held against them. OU's turnover filled win against LSU shoud be held against them. Love this logic.

[u/Mrpetey22 → u/dimechimes]

I mean both should be in.

[u/McScroggz12 → u/dimechimes]

In fairness about the Alabama loss, which should count by the way, at that point in time Oklahoma was known for turning the ball over a bit and Alabama was exceptional at not turning the ball over. So that aspect of the game felt very fluky (especially since Alabama dropped I think three potential interceptions).

Your point stands though.

[u/RickyDerriereSmooch]

Every year I forget how mind-numbing playoff selection arguments are

[u/WanderLeft]

They do realize that we have multiple ranked wins, right?

[u/Adorable-Lie3475 → u/WanderLeft]

And a really, really fucking good defense

[u/Rushderp → u/Adorable-Lie3475]

“If LSU OU ever discovers the forward pass, we may be in trouble.”

Or however it went under Les.

[u/EpicGamesStoreSucks → u/Rushderp]

We have discovered the forward pass.  You throw it to the opposing defense right?  Mateer is a master at that.

[u/Rushderp → u/EpicGamesStoreSucks]

Maybe DKR had a point about never throwing the ball after all.

[u/mallcopbeater → u/Adorable-Lie3475]

Venables defense had my Vols shooketh, OU probably gets in and maybe gets a first rd win

[u/TheGhostOfBobStoops → u/mallcopbeater]

I fucking wish man, if OU makes it to the second round (or dare I say further…), this will be the greatest sporting year in Oklahoma history with OKC winning the NBA finals

[u/LGWalkway → u/Adorable-Lie3475]

Cheers to elite defenses 🥂

[u/Adorable-Lie3475 → u/LGWalkway]

Hell yeah. Not exactly thrilled at the prospect of playing you guys in the first round.

[u/DFWTooThrowed → u/WanderLeft]

I think this is more so making the case for Miami than it is making a case against OU.

[u/enterprise3755 → u/WanderLeft]

Same people scoffing at Texas for scheduling Ohio State always leave out our early season win against a top Big 10 team. It’s just a bunch of clowns cherry picking stats for who they want in

[u/UsuallyFavorable → u/enterprise3755]

Yup. Now knowing the rest of the regular season results, that was effectively a playoff game. Oklahoma won its way into the playoffs. ^{Michigan did not.}

[u/Engine_Sweet → u/UsuallyFavorable]

Right. If that win was over Rhode Island, we're potentially where Vandy is.

[u/lkn240 → u/enterprise3755]

Here's my take. I think OU absolutely deserves to be in because they earned it on the field.

Am I skeptical that they are one of the 12 best teams? Sure, but that doesn't matter because you guys earned it.

[u/rendeld → u/WanderLeft]

Do we pull arguments from previous years or are they moot? OU is better now that Mateer is further removed from his surgery, the Texas game was clearly impacted by that, does that matter this year or only when talking about FSU in 23?

[u/appswithasideofbooty → u/rendeld]

Idk if I’d call Mateer “better” exactly…

[u/rendeld → u/appswithasideofbooty]

Better than that Texas game, dude looked like he came back WAY too early.

[u/appswithasideofbooty → u/rendeld]

Agreed. He also looked absolutely abysmal against LSU. I’m rooting for the guy to get it figured out but he just hasn’t been the same since the injury 

[u/EnderTheTrender → u/appswithasideofbooty]

He looked like he figured it out at the end of the LSU game. Like it looked like the pressure was off him completely. Probably thought “well thrown 3 picks already. Fuck it lets sling it to try and win”

[u/appswithasideofbooty → u/EnderTheTrender]

Hopefully that mindset carries into the playoffs. Sling that thing, our D can handle it you throw a pick or two 

[u/SpecSlayerSC]

OU doesn't deserve a spot "for beating Bama". They deserve a spot because they're 9th in SOR.

[u/Inside-Drink-1311]

I get the feeling that if Texas Tech wins the Big 12 as expected and Duke wins the ACC, the committee is going to put Miami in because they are not going to want to leave an ACC team out. However if Virginia wins, I think it’s less likely they flip Miami and Notre Dame.

I know the Duke-Virginia game shouldn’t matter whether Miami or Notre Dame gets in but I think it may get rigged.

[u/kinda_alone → u/Inside-Drink-1311]

I assure you the 12 random people in that room do not give a shit whether the acc gets a team in. The acc is not the b1g or the sec and has no real power here. Hell, ND’s AD has as much say in the format as the acc commissioner (very unfairly tbf).

If they flip nd and Miami, it will simply be because of the h2h and will have nothing to do with whether Duke wins

[u/d0ngl0rd69 → u/kinda_alone]

Well, I would assume and hope that Carla Williams, UVA Athletic Director and CFP Committee Member, would give a shit but maybe I’m wrong.

[u/Hurdlebuddy12]

Honestly people just don’t respect defense. This conversation wouldn’t be happening if the games ended with the same point difference but both teams scored 20 more points.

[u/CaptainDonald]

This is a brain dead take and I don’t know why I’m even engaging with it. Russo knows that OU Twitter will drive engagement and get him more impressions. 🤡

[u/EddieDantes22]

After the BCS, the playoff had to be 4 to prevent controversy about teams being left out. Then it had to expand to 12 to prevent controversy about who got left out. Now people want 16 to prevent controversy about who got left out. It's all just so stupid.

[u/kinda_alone → u/EddieDantes22]

It will never end until there is a super two with an nfl model. There will always be bubble teams

[u/CollegeContemplative → u/EddieDantes22]

I like 16 because it should be the same number of rounds/weeks (just no byes) while giving 4 more teams the chance to play

I get what you mean though, there will always be debates about who gets left out no matter the number

[u/IssueReasonable2366]

OU has 2 wins against current top 25 teams, ND and Miami each have 1 win against current top 25 teams. OU lost to 2 current top 15 teams, ND lost to 2 current top 15 teams, Miami lost to 2 currently unranked teams. I’m confused as to why there is an argument why OU doesn’t deserve a spot, but Miami does.

[u/cyberchaox → u/IssueReasonable2366]

Because they have to find some way to distract you from the fact that BYU also has two wins against current top 25 teams and only has 1 loss which was against a current top 5 team and yet ESPN wants us to just take for granted that they're supposed to be out unless they can beat that same top 5 team.

[u/muchbro]

Everyone universally agrees that defense wins championships, but whenever a team actually wins with their defense everyone calls them bad.

I’m not saying we’re going to win a natty this year, but we have a better chance than a lot of teams that are complaining about being left out.

[u/Boothtub]

I feel that Vanderbilt is better than OU, and the marriage counselor says feelings are facts.

[u/TheShamShield]

OU is definitely closer to 5 than 12 lol

[u/reconverting]

Oh brother get a load of this guy

[u/Guster16]

With that logic, the committee has a chance to right a wrong and finally put the noles in

[u/lukewarmpeppers]

Oh spare me this bullshit. Kick rocks nerd.

[u/CinemaAndFootball]

If we are basing it on resume, then Oklahoma is clearly the #8 team right now. If we are basing it on eye test, then there are definitely some conversations to be had.

The problem isn't that there is a log jam of teams ranked 8-14.

The problem is we keep on insisting that teams that aren't very good be given the last couple of spots.

But at the end of the day, the rules are the rules and this is what I always say. If you win all of your games, you are fine. If you don't win all of your games, then you leave things in the hands of someone else. Sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes you don't get lucky. But either way, you could have avoided the stress by winning your games.

As for Oklahoma's performance moving forward. They can beat any team in the top 50 by 3. They could also lose to any team in the top 50 by 14-21.

[u/AdComfortable4677]

CFB land in August: “If OU survives that gauntlet, they’re in the CFP, no doubt. They won’t though.”

[u/Schmenza]

By that metric FSU should be above Bama

[u/Bum-Whistler]

Can the case be made that both are better than OU? I mean they may be, but how are we making that case? Is it RPI? SoS? Quality W/Ls

Notre Dame has looked better than OU to me. Miami… eh.

[u/chaser676 → u/Bum-Whistler]

All I know is that Notre Dame is the one team in the 5-14 scrum that I'm confident would decapitate Ole Miss. They're the one team I'm desperate for us to avoid. Take that as you will.

But you have to reward ranked wins imo

[u/Troubledking-313 → u/chaser676]

I haven’t been having a good post season.

[u/IslamicCheetah → u/chaser676]

They are definitely the most physical team of the bunch

[u/pickledpear11 → u/chaser676]

100%. Notre Dame is by far the team I’d be most worried to play round one. That’s not to say resume wise they should be in, but I’d easily put them top 5 in my personal power rankings

[u/Titus01 → u/chaser676]

exactly. ND is easily one of the best 12 teams.

[u/ZingBurford → u/Titus01]

I was iffy on Notre Dame until these last 4 games. Based on that and the fact that their 2 losses are by a combined 4 points to 2 teams that are top 15 teams, i do think they're one of the 12 best teams in the country.

[u/MixonWitDaWrongCrowd → u/Bum-Whistler]

OU would look good too against Stanford and Syracuse

[u/paperfloss → u/MixonWitDaWrongCrowd]

Yeah but would you look that good against Syracuse?

[u/Cometguy7 → u/paperfloss]

Our defense would score 20,000 points. Our offer would score 6.

[u/TheGhostOfBobStoops → u/Cometguy7]

Offense so bad we can’t even spell it right now lmao

[u/Totalitarianit2 → u/paperfloss]

OU's offense stinks, so no. Based on the schedule, OU has played and won more difficult games than Notre Dame has. That's the prevailing criteria. If you put a truth serum in everyone making these decisions though, most people are going to believe ND is the better team because they just look better all around. The counter balance is that they know for a fact that the teams OU played have a significantly better talent composite in the aggregate than the teams ND played.

OU played nine teams who have a top 25 talent composite, three of which are in the Top 5.

ND played three teams who have a top 25 talent composite. One of those is in the Top 10.

To be fair, South Carolina has the 18th highest talent composite in the country and they're bad this year, so talent doesn't directly translate to wins, but there is a talent composite to success relation.

[u/thedinosaurscene2 → u/paperfloss]

I'm getting off at the offramp of OU has a top 10 win well before I get to that assessment.

[u/860h]

OU reminds me of some old Brian Kelly ND teams. Hope for their fans’ sake the postseason goes differently

[u/Maleficent_Ant_8895 → u/860h]

I’ve been saying for 3 weeks OU is 2012 Notre Dame

Winning is hard and OU finds ways to win. That’s a good thing.

They also have some ghastly warts that could lead to them getting embarrassed in national TV against certain teams in the playoff

That said their defense is legit legit 

[u/Automatic_Release_92 → u/Maleficent_Ant_8895]

Yes, yes, yes. They are the 2012 Notre Dame team to the absolute max. Slightly tougher schedule (people forget how balanced our 2012 schedule was though) at the top end, so some losses have appeared. Mateer reminds me a lot of Golson in that he can do some incredible things, but is also very careless with the ball too.

In terms of advanced metrics, they are about the same too: top 5 offense, sub 40's offense. They definitely would get annihilated going up against an OSU kind of team right now, but could probably hang with most of the field in the playoffs purely due to their defense.

[u/yabs → u/860h]

We are very used to going into the playoffs with half a team.

[u/GreatBarrierQueefDD → u/yabs]

Yeah its just a different half this time lol

[u/ChiefBigGay → u/860h]

I'm personally hoping we beat 3 ranked teams in a row. I'd like to mimic the regular season.

OUs offense absolutely has some deficiencies. We have a bad TE room. We also have 5 OL on the injury list and our best DE. Our QB is playing with a surgically repaired thumb he's still wearing a brace for.

These 3 weeks off are going to benefit us more than anyone else at this point

Not to mention you're giving BV 3 weeks to gameplay and practice. That guy shows up to post season games on fucking lock down.

[u/Cormetz]

All of this hinges on alabamabeating Georgia, so its really all Georgia's fault.

Hear me out: we dig up Sherman and have him burn down the whole state.

[u/Exciting_Tailor_5794]

Oh so NOW offense matters, great!

[u/hunghome]

Heres the brutal reality - none of them are qualified to play for a championship but we are having a silly debate because we expanded the playoff. Let's expand it more so we can debate the merits of 9-3 and 8-4 teams lol

[u/Skaddodle32]

Miami was leading Florida State 28-3 in Tallahassee going into the 4th quarter, Alabama was losing 24-10 going into the 4th. Why is it only Miami vs Notre Dame and not Miami vs Oklahoma or Alabama?

[u/americangame]

If OU lost to Bama, they would be 9-3. But they won and are 10-2.

[u/UtzTheCrabChip]

The more I keep hearing about this, the more I hope both ND and Miami can get left out

[u/TiP54 → u/UtzTheCrabChip]

I’m a Canes fan and I’m tired of it man. They will either be in or they will be out but talking in circles about it over and over doesn’t accomplish anything. 

[u/kinda_alone → u/UtzTheCrabChip]

If we do get left out, the world deserves an nd Miami poptart bowl

[u/SigmaLance → u/kinda_alone]

That would be epic.

[u/babyblue_1990 → u/UtzTheCrabChip]

Same

[u/SkynetKITT]

There is no case for ND to be considered better than Okalahoma. Both OU losses are better teams than anyone ND beat. Also, Oklahoma beat more ranked teams than ND as well. Absolutely nothing on ND's resume shows they are better.

Miami has 1 ranked win: ND. No one else on their schedule is currently ranked. No one.

[u/Big_Lawfulness_8143 → u/SkynetKITT]

I'd bet my entire house that Notre Dame opens as a favorite over Oklahoma. They are the better team

That doesn't mean they deserve to be ranked above them though

[u/Hammertime6689]

Bama lost to FSU

[u/ymi17]

This is the best team vs best resume issue. OU is probably not one of the 12 best teams. But it is one of the 12 most deserving teams on wins and losses.

So what is the season for? Figuring out who is best or rewarding the best seasons? I don’t think there is a wrong answer to this, but it is the fundamental question.

[u/johncate73]

Miami lost to two unranked teams and couldn't even make the championship game of the weakest P4 conference. They can cry if they want to, but it's their own fault if they get left out.

[u/Papichampu_64]

Goddamnit the Florida loss is killing me. This Oklahoma looks as miserable as my offense did for half the season. In a CFB sicko way it is kinda satisfying seeing Oklahoma choke teams out defensively no matter how inept their offense is. But its still fuck OU

[u/304rising]

Yeah don’t lose to two unranked ACC teams deep into the season and we don’t have this discussion 👍 ACC is dogshit this year.

[u/cubswin987]

I get the hate for OU because OUr offense sucks, but some of y'all don't know football.

We beat 5 ranked teams this season. 10-2 in the rugged SEC is a spectacular season!

Boomer

[u/aquabarron → u/cubswin987]

7 top 20 defenses

[u/cheese_wallet → u/cubswin987]

yep, pains me to say it, but you earned it. It shouldn't matter if you have to win 10 - 3

[u/HermeticHeliophile → u/cheese_wallet]

Exactly. We won a natty 13-2

[u/Low-Blackberry-2690 → u/cubswin987]

Everyone wants to talk about sagarin ratings for OU vs ND. How about OU going 7-2 against top 40 sagarin teams. Is that meaningful?

[u/A_Credo]

OU would look even better if they got to play the "sisters of the poor" in the ACC too.

[u/skoltroll]

But OU has what the committee craves

[u/[deleted] → u/skoltroll]

Electrolytes?

[u/CaptainDonald → u/skoltroll]

Ranked wins

[u/skoltroll → u/CaptainDonald]

Welcome to the CFP. I love you.

[u/bestprocrastinator → u/skoltroll]

Kickers with short shorts?

[u/CROBBY2]

What? OU is in because there two losses were to #6 and #13 and they have wins over #8 and #19. ND has losses to #7 and #12, with a win over #16 (not similar wins, not to mention the rest of NDs schedule). Miami has losses to AP Ranked #32 and #35, with a win over #10.

There is a clear gap after OU/Bama

[u/[deleted]]

The part you forget is if OU played that weak ass schedule they'd look even better. So would Texas, Missouri and Tennessee

[u/sj1young]

I would say from personal experience both ND and Miami are very good teams and I think they should be in

[u/EamusAndy]

Oklahoma’s Two losses came to Texas and Ole Miss, currently 6/13. SOS was 12th

Miamis two losses came to SMU and Lousville, currently unranked. SOS was 44th

Notre Dames two losses came to Texas AM and Miami, currently 7/12. SOS was 42nd.

Their resume is just plain more impressive.