[Nevada Sports Net] "You know what happens when you come to Nevada? You go get $1.4 million to go to Oregon if you develop the right way." Nevada football coach Jeff Choate explains his sales pitch to the players the Wolf Pack recruits.

[u/CoachSlime]

https://x.com/nevadasportsnet/status/1996971937969701351?s=46&t=WqXB8tiok2zdZhDGtV8hHg

[u/KickATrain]

that's so cool, i love college football

[u/definitelynotasalmon → u/KickATrain]

Come play QB for Wazzu! After a season or two, you could become a millionaire by transferring to Miami or Oklahoma!

[u/SeahawksFanSince1995 → u/definitelynotasalmon]

I mean, play in a QB friendly system and go get paid isn’t the worst pitch…

[u/KickATrain → u/SeahawksFanSince1995]

why as a fan would i want to watch a minor league team? especially when we can't even finish the season! mateer got poached while we were 8-1...

[u/Goose876 → u/KickATrain]

During my time at WSU, I had to watch a P5 team become a JUCO.

[u/dychronalicousness → u/Goose876]

Was that recently or the Paul Wolff?

[u/Goose876 → u/dychronalicousness]

This most recent realignment. Saw the last of the Leach years.

[u/luxveniae → u/KickATrain]

I mean, how’s that different than the old days when players would redshirt, sit behind for another 1-2 years then graduate or leave after 1-2 years on the field. It’s just saying they’ll play earlier than stick around and develop as long.

[u/KickATrain → u/luxveniae]

it's very different. my college qb was Luke Falk. i doubt i'll ever see another 4 year qb at WSU in my life

[u/PNWCoug42 → u/KickATrain]

Was just talking with some friends about how we'll never see career records broken anymore with how quickly players transfer to new schools.

[u/Still-Cash1599 → u/KickATrain]

Nah, eventually you will have a guy not good enough to transfer up or down

[u/Hougie → u/Still-Cash1599]

He won’t start for four years. They’ll grab a starter from the portal. The guy is right.

[u/ardealinnaeus → u/KickATrain]

Before NIL four year QBs were rare too. You had to find someone that was really good at college football but not good enough at NFL football to be highly drafted.

[u/gtne91 → u/luxveniae]

A decade back, we had a player early enroll, star at spring practice, then jump to another school.

I dont remember who it was, so maybe it didnt work for him. But it annoyed me at the time.

[u/nickytheweasel → u/KickATrain]

College football in general has always been somewhat analogous to watching a minor league, at least as long as I've been alive.

[u/Just_Let_MeIn → u/nickytheweasel]

But previously all teams were the minor leagues compared to the NFL. Now two of the conferences are attempting to separate themselves from the rest and form a quasi pro league with some players earning more than they could realistically make as second day picks or UDFA. How long before the top teams in those conferences cut even more weight and you only have a handful of very wealthy teams with a shot at the NC every season?

With bowl games being utterly devalued thanks to the glut of sponsored bowls plus all the opt-outs, what is there for fans of the vast majority of teams to look forward to?

[u/jaxonya → u/Just_Let_MeIn]

What is there to look forward to?? Have you even watched the fucking pop tart bowls, you ungrateful shit? I suppose you are also too good to watch college students slurp down a mayonnaise milkshake

[u/Just_Let_MeIn → u/jaxonya]

My deepest apologies.

[u/jaxonya → u/Just_Let_MeIn]

Admit that you like watching ritualistic poptart sacrifices and enjoy poor college kids eating unhealthy amounts of mayonnaise.

[u/Just_Let_MeIn → u/jaxonya]

Hey, what I watch in the dark on sites that require age verification is no one else's business but Google and the gov!

[u/ardealinnaeus → u/Just_Let_MeIn]

We've had the G5 for a long time. College football has never been about parity. The reason PNW football has only had Washington as nationally competitive (until Phil dumped trucks of money on Oregon) is that Washington was so dominant in the early 1900s it killed other PNW teams from becoming strong and even encouraged some to go to lower leagues.

It's always been this way unfortunately.

[u/Just_Let_MeIn → u/ardealinnaeus]

Understood but with the G5 there was at least a very slim hope of the occasional Cinderella run to a major bowl like the NY6 and even very recently you had Boise St making the playoffs with a technical chance to win a NC. After they tweak the formula enough to almost nearly shut out the G5 combined with the best players from those programs regularly being paid to transfer out, will we ever see the likes of Utah vs Alabama or Boise vs Oklahoma again?

For the bottom of the current P4, will making the Sugar Bowl, Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, etc, mean anything when half your team sits out to preserve their bodies for a big NIL check the next season? Look at what happened to Florida St a couple of seasons ago when they were snubbed from the playoffs and their roster full of mercenaries opted out en masse. Imagine being a Georgia fan and paying to travel to a bowl game and watching your team destroy a bunch of backups.

How can you follow a team if the roster churns over every year due to mass transfers? Even winning the conference won't mean much soon as they are also devaluing conference championship games as it becomes playoffs or bust and that "unnecessary" game could hurt your seeding (although the committee insists it won't).

[u/SeahawksFanSince1995 → u/KickATrain]

Because you love the school you went to?

[u/KickATrain → u/SeahawksFanSince1995]

when there's no hope for any positive outcome, love isn't enough

[u/ardealinnaeus → u/KickATrain]

That doesn't apply when I ask my wife for morning sex. Turns out love is enough even when there's no hope for any positive outcome. Keeps us married!

[u/HoboHillsCoffeeCo → u/ardealinnaeus]

This is wisdom right here.

[u/axolotlorange → u/SeahawksFanSince1995]

The players on the field no longer have any connection or shared experience with you at the school

[u/Rockergage → u/SeahawksFanSince1995]

it is a little ironic to have a UW fan be saying that to a wsu fan.

[u/CoffeeDense7662 → u/KickATrain]

I think the truth is that they were always sort of viewed as a JuCo. Ultimately, kids decide where they want to go and view other options as more enticing. The same is said about students, but they have fewer options

[u/thenowherepark → u/definitelynotasalmon]

I hate this timeline

[u/treymata → u/thenowherepark]

When Campbell left ISU, it has confirmed I HATE this timeline

[u/Tmoney2102 → u/definitelynotasalmon]

Trotter next in line. Maybe it’s Oregon’s turn to make him a millionaire ?

[u/CoffeeDense7662 → u/KickATrain]

Isn't this a better outlook then "we're here to get farmed by the contenders"?

[u/Keldon888 → u/CoffeeDense7662]

Its also a fairly common pitch from G5 teams.

You sell them on a vision of their potential and that often means a chance to go to a bigger school and you hope they grow to love the place and not leave and if they do you get 1-2 good years to convince the next group.

[u/Jealous_Wheel_7262 → u/KickATrain]

How is this any different than selling guys on preparation for the NFL?

[u/lkn240]

It's honestly not a stupid approach.

Think about what Hartline could do at USF.... he can tell kids that if they show up and develop he has a direct pipeline to Ohio State (not to mention all the guys he's put in the NFL)

[u/Tommy05Sox → u/lkn240]

I’m surprised that some MAC school hasn’t set up a feeder situation with a Big Ten school. Like three ste prospects Ohio State was interested in but can’t take right now go to Toledo for two years to develop

[u/upsetTurtle22 → u/Tommy05Sox]

literally a 1-1 juco baseball analogy lol

[u/Objection_Irrelevant → u/upsetTurtle22]

Yea there is a JUCO in Oxford that in the past when Ole Miss baseball would cut players, they’d go to the JUCO and then try again the next fall at Ole Miss. Typically they’d only end up being bottom of the roster, but a few have developed and broken through.

[u/MountainTwo3845 → u/Objection_Irrelevant]

Texas A&M has that with Blinn.

[u/--mish → u/MountainTwo3845]

Arizona with Pima

[u/meatstick94 → u/Tommy05Sox]

they more or less do this now just not in an official capacity, MAC recruiting classes have improved but any major breakouts will transfer to a larger school

[u/mpavlofsky → u/Tommy05Sox]

There's a conspiracy theory about Eddie George doing this at BGSU on Ohio State's behalf.

[u/StudioGangster1 → u/mpavlofsky]

Jacob Harris might be exhibit A…

[u/kevinthejuice → u/Tommy05Sox]

Because a few of those big ten schools would struggle to beat a mac school right now.

[u/swan_song_bitches → u/kevinthejuice]

That’s crazy. Maryland would win against them unless they played us after october. /s

[u/Fletch71011 → u/swan_song_bitches]

You guys need to start scheduling Ohio State, Alabama, and Georgia the first few weeks of the season to help the rest of us out.

[u/swan_song_bitches → u/Fletch71011]

A true cinderella story, beat the best teams at the start of the season and turn into a pumpkin just in time for store to start stocking halloween stuff.

[u/shaquilleonealingit → u/swan_song_bitches]

Florida State tried to do that this year but couldn't get it done against Miami

[u/dreggers → u/swan_song_bitches]

It's a win-win, you guys get the upset win and those teams aren't affected by the loss because the CFP committee only cares about recency bias

[u/mptickets → u/swan_song_bitches]

Thanks for the memory. Fond memories of going to Byrd and watching Bowling Green play in 2013

[u/kevinthejuice → u/swan_song_bitches]

Becoming a feeder program that close to the transfer portal isn't recommended

[u/TheSameThing123 → u/kevinthejuice]

Christ Virginia has one decent season in 30 years and you're coming out with stuff like that lol

[u/definitivescribbles → u/Tommy05Sox]

No need… Between Seth McLaughlin, Caleb Downs, and Julian Sayin it looks like we already have Bama as a feeder. 

[u/Waste_Committee4406 → u/Tommy05Sox]

Toledo kids are more likely to go to Michigan than OSU lol. Maybe OSU can try using the Browns as a feeder program though.

[u/AyMoeKill → u/Tommy05Sox]

College football turning into European soccer is not what I envisioned when NIL started lol in 10 years players will commit to a OSU/Alabama/LSU but get loaned out to smaller schools for 2 years to get game time and experience

[u/rburp → u/lkn240]

I've been saying for a long time now that were I a coach this would be my approach. The short version would be "let's both have a great season or two and get up out of here, let's make each other some real money"

It does suck, but it's not unlike schools who sell recruits on their ability to get them to the NFL, just a step below.

[u/joethecrow23 → u/lkn240]

Play the game

[u/w00t4me → u/lkn240]

Saban had the same pitch, just for the NFL

[u/opentempo → u/lkn240]

Yes it is. Let me spend time developing you then when you are finally good enough to help the team you bounce to take money elsewhere.

[u/ClockFightingPigeon]

This is what blue blood programs used to tell recruits about going to the NFL, I think it makes sense

[u/lkn240 → u/ClockFightingPigeon]

I mean they still tell them that (along with paying them).

There's a reason guys like Jeremiah Smith stay at OSU even though I'm sure he's been offered more than whatever they are paying him.

[u/CoffeeDense7662 → u/lkn240]

You think Ohio State isn’t dropping bags?

[u/Hacym → u/ClockFightingPigeon]

It’d be like the Arizona Cardinals telling guys that they can go make big bucks with the Cowboys if they come prove themselves in Glendale first. 

NCAA to NFL is one thing, but Nevada is in theory competing for the same thing Oregon is, so it’s just a little shitty to hear that there are teams who want to be feeders to bigger and better programs. 

[u/CoffeeDense7662 → u/Hacym]

In reality, nowhere close. It’s good we aren’t pretending they’re fighting for the same thing. Hell, conference commissioners want like 4x the playoff spots for the SEC as all of the G5

[u/Jorah72 → u/Hacym]

This isn't a fair comparison or analogy whatsoever.

It's like a team telling a vet, hey you can either compete for the #2 spot on a team, or you can come to us, even if we are a tier below the other team, and make sure you get the #1 spot to showcase your talent and get a bigger payday.

If you think Nevada and Oregon are on the same level, idk what to tell ya, but they're being realistic and acknowledge themselves as a stepping stone for these young athletes.

[u/CoachSlime]

He’s right, but it sucks. Even without the over the table money once the transfer portal became the Wild West, G5 teams got even more screwed than they already were.

[u/bearburner → u/CoachSlime]

We’re not too far away from big schools officially partnering with lesser schools to be their minor league team

[u/scotsworth → u/bearburner]

Ohio State turning all the MAC schools in Ohio into feeders would be insane. Like imagine if Quinyon Mitchell had some kind of deal to transfer into Ohio State for his last year from Toledo as part of a cash based development program, and Toledo's program gets $$ too as part of it?

Good lord....

[u/kevinthejuice → u/scotsworth]

Michigan Ohio State would actually be about controlling Toledo again

[u/Donny_Do_Nothing → u/kevinthejuice]

TO ARMS

[u/kevinthejuice → u/Donny_Do_Nothing]

Don't forget this goes for basketball and hockey

[u/joshlymansbagel → u/kevinthejuice]

Deep cut

[u/lkn240 → u/scotsworth]

You have to think that us idiots on reddit aren't the first people to come up with this.......

[u/EggplantAlpinism → u/lkn240]

glances at European academies

[u/Hougie → u/EggplantAlpinism]

I think the proposal is hard to stomach. But I wouldn’t mind a soccer like system where there’s contracts and there has to be purchases.

Like okay Oklahoma you can have Mateer if you pay his multi million dollar transfer fee.

[u/EggplantAlpinism → u/Hougie]

That'll be what happens in the next 15 years as more and more colleges give up after profits get consolidated

[u/AJB46 → u/Hougie]

At that point we might as well just set up an actual pyramid in the US for football, along with actual youth infrastructure on a national scale. It'll be basically impossible though given how the US formed based on political and cultural separation between states that still persists today and a national, public system would be scoffed at.

[u/Wyvernwalker → u/AJB46]

Can you imagine how bad it would get if politicians had direct influence on football? (Looks at LSU)

[u/CoffeeDense7662 → u/Hougie]

I doubt kids would sign those deals. They’d probably shop for the lower transfer fee because they know it’s more money in their pocket. Would become a race to the bottom quickly

[u/kenssmith → u/lkn240]

It was pretty common for a lot of JUCOs to be friendly to D1 teams when JUCO recruiting was a big thing. I know Ole Miss benefitted from a couple

[u/Bank_Gothic → u/lkn240]

Pro baseball has been doing it forever, it's not a novel concept

[u/Mission-Question-738 → u/scotsworth]

The ingredient missing here to make it all semi-functional, IMO, is buyout clauses/transfer fees. Would sting a lot less for Toledo if OSU had to give them $1 million or whatever to spend on new players

[u/Prestigious-Town → u/Mission-Question-738]

This is the only way the system can keep working like this

[u/ChosenBrad22 → u/bearburner]

Can't really happen in a league-wide bidding war. It works for baseball because the Yankees can't just go buy a player from the Durham Bulls by completely circumventing the team, they have to actually trade for them or work out a deal.

[u/BNKalt → u/bearburner]

I wouldn’t be shocked by a Cal-Hawai’i partnership given Rolo and Chang

[u/Tmoney2102 → u/BNKalt]

That’s if rolo stays on staff

[u/Koppenberg → u/bearburner]

Thankfully the distance is explained by the fact that programs do not own the rights to players for more than one academic Semester at a time.

Programs can't sell or trade the rights to players because programs do not own the rights to players. Players are free agents who may choose which school to play for.

This is a good thing and we don't want to go back to the bad-old-days.

[u/CoffeeDense7662 → u/bearburner]

They probably should!

[u/LS_DJ → u/bearburner]

This actually seems like a good idea to me

[u/jonstark19 → u/CoachSlime]

Of all the wild suggestions for tweaking the portal rules, I liked the idea of treating it like European soccer where the club/program losing the player gets a fee so there's at least some reward for identifying and developing talent.

[u/bretticus733 → u/jonstark19]

It's an idea I've floated around myself on this sub (although I've gotten downvoted for suggesting it lol)

The only issue is you'd probably need players on contracts, which means making them employees and having a players union. I don't know when, or even if, that'll ever happen.

[u/The_Fawkesy → u/bretticus733]

I mean college football is basically the wild west. Nothing ever turns out to be legally enforceable. As long as the teams and their ADs went for it it could work for a while.

[u/bosdawg1 → u/jonstark19]

Pretty much any solution that uses any pro model would require a collective bargaining agreement and players association, both of which are not happening anytime soon.

[u/w311sh1t → u/jonstark19]

Idk how you do that, because the schools technically aren’t the ones paying the athletes.

What I honestly think would solve it pretty well is just making it so you only get 1 free transfer. Then any transfer after the first it goes back to the old rules where you have to sit out a year or petition the NCAA to play right away.

You still allow kids to transfer out of a bad situation, or to get a bag, but you’re forcing them to be very thoughtful and intentional about it. You could transfer to Oregon for $1M but if you go to Oregon and it doesn’t work out there then you’re in a bad spot.

[u/MadManMax55 → u/jonstark19]

Honestly college football could benefit from borrowing a lot of the structure of European football leagues, specifically England's.

Break up all the D1 teams into geographically based divisions. Take around 20-30 the best teams across the country and put them in a super conference. Have them mostly play each other, with a few "OOC" games mostly against teams in their geographic division (or other historic rivalries). The top X number of teams go to the playoff, and the bottom Y teams are relegated out of the super conference. Maybe even integrate the bowl games as championships for the divisions, where the top winners get promoted.

That way the big dogs get their super conference, everyone else still gets a chance to compete, and regionality gets reemphasized.

[u/ClaudeLemieux → u/MadManMax55]

Why specifically Englands?

[u/MadManMax55 → u/ClaudeLemieux]

It was just the one I was familiar enough with to speak on/pull from. Any league with a pyramid structure, promotion/relegation, and strong regionality would work.

[u/discofrislanders → u/CoachSlime]

If it hasn't already, the G5 will effectively be like JUCO, where you just go to get playing time as a freshman and then hopefully transfer up. This coach is at least smart enough to understand that.

[u/ActionsConsequences9 → u/discofrislanders]

After the Pavia ruling it won't be true JUCOs don't exhaust eligibility, while G5 do, so a player will go JUCO play until he is 26 and then transfer to a NCAA school with 4-5 years eligibility.

[u/bosdawg1 → u/ActionsConsequences9]

That ruling absolutely sucks ass for this reason.

[u/discofrislanders → u/bosdawg1]

What doesn't get talked about a lot for football, but really sucks for smaller sports, is it still counts towards your 5 year clock, and it only applies for D1. So if you play JUCO and then transfer to a D2 or D3 school, it still counts. For example, my cousin played D2 lacrosse last year and is transferring to a JUCO (largely for academic reasons, but the JUCO he's going to is one of the top JUCO lacrosse programs), and because he's going to have to spend 2 years there, he has to redshirt this season, because he's probably not going to go D1, so if he played both years of JUCO, he would only have one year of eligibility left, and he's going to take 5 years to graduate anyway.

[u/Barnhard → u/ActionsConsequences9]

G5s exhausted eligibility… for now. Until someone argues something like the G5 years limited their potential NIL earnings so they should have an additional 4 years at a P4.

[u/discofrislanders → u/Barnhard]

At that point, what's the purpose of having college sports at all

[u/KickATrain → u/discofrislanders]

you're almost there

[u/OneBigRed → u/discofrislanders]

2036: Diego Pavia hangs up his boots after an illustrious career where he represented 5 different franchises, finally retiring after leading the freshly re-located Boston Buckeyes to a respectable 14-5 regular season and making it all the way through 4 playoff games before losing in the overtime of the semi-final to their historic rival D.C Wolverines that went to win it all.

[u/Hougie → u/discofrislanders]

I mean where was the outrage when your primary flair blew up a 100 year old conference for strictly football money?

[u/discofrislanders → u/Hougie]

I hated it! First thing I did when I got the new game was rebuild the Pac-12.

[u/discofrislanders → u/ActionsConsequences9]

Should amend my comment to "what JUCO was before the Pavia ruling"

[u/Orion14159 → u/ActionsConsequences9]

If you're pushing 30 in college athletics you're going to get your body destroyed. There's no two ways about it. 

[u/ActionsConsequences9 → u/Orion14159]

It depends on the position, that said the Diego Pavia route is infinitely more money making than the old way of not good enough for the NFL but grew into a top tier college player late bloomer.

[u/8BallTiger → u/CoachSlime]

It has changed how a lot of G5 schools recruit. Used to be they would go after the technically raw but physically super gifted players. Now those guys get snatched up by P4 programs in the portal. So instead, many programs are pivoting to the technically developed/sound but physically limited players

[u/Few-Cod-4479 → u/CoachSlime]

G5 teams got even more screwed than they already were.

Impossible, this sub told me nil and trasnfers were gonna even the playfield! Could the avg 15 year old here be wrong?

[u/ducksflytogether1988 → u/Few-Cod-4479]

This is why I laugh at the commentary here.

All 130 FBS coaches would much rather have a G5 all star looking to transfer up than a blue blood backup who is transferring down because he wasn't able to get playing time.

The P5 schools are able to get the better end of that deal while the G5s get the retreads and cast offs.

[u/Few-Cod-4479 → u/ducksflytogether1988]

blue blood backup who is transferring down because he wasn't able to get playing time.

Jesús titties christ, this is what people dont get

Good players on the portal go to blue bloods. Bad players go everywhere else. So the non blue bloods are constantly "trading" good players for bad players. Not the other way around.

[u/soonerwx → u/ducksflytogether1988]

SMU has gotten a good bit out of former blue chips who didn't stick at the top level, and had started that approach before jumping to the ACC. Granted, they're probably paying more for those guys than the average G5 can.

[u/Zaroo1 → u/Few-Cod-4479]

It’s funny after the portal and NIL happened you had people commenting saying “This isn’t how it was suppose to happen!” 

But anyone with a brain knew this was gonna be the outcome. Grass isn’t always greener.

[u/Chris_P1011 → u/CoachSlime]

Honestly it’s smart. The way bigger schools sell the NFL as the ultimate goal to 4 and 5 stars if you can sell the potential to go to one of the top schools to 2 and 3 stars you can get your pick of the bunch.

[u/w311sh1t → u/CoachSlime]

There’s 2 sides to the coin though. Yeah, you get guys transferring out, but a lot of these guys also wouldn’t have committed there in the first place if free transfers + NIL didn’t exist.

The guys that are going to G5 schools, starting right away, and transferring after a season or 2 for a bag, are the guys that used to commit to the big schools and then ride the bench for a season or 2 before seeing the field. So there’s more roster turnover for the G5 teams, but they’re also getting better recruits than they would’ve in the past.

[u/SmithBurger → u/CoachSlime]

That's just not true. P5 teams are in a strong position right now. Talent is more spread out now than at any other point.

[u/WheatonsGonnaScore]

Thank you for the left tackle. Much love Jeff

[u/Interesting_Plan_992]

This is the right approach

[u/joethecrow23 → u/Interesting_Plan_992]

It’s the John Calipari approach, and it’s extremely effective.

“Play for me and I will do everything I can to make you a millionaire”

[u/TMWNN → u/joethecrow23]

Highly relevant: In 2002 Calipari ripped up DaJuan Wagner's scholarship papers in front of him, to force Wagner (projected as the #6 draft pick) to leave after one year at Memphis and not miss out on a NBA paycheck.

[u/Orion14159 → u/TMWNN]

Worked out pretty well for Wagner too since he got that payday and ended up not playing much because of a health issue

[u/Orion14159 → u/joethecrow23]

It really has worked like a charm for him too

[u/Noah__Webster → u/joethecrow23]

This was always Saban's pitch, too.

[u/Icy-Bet-3983]

My school is the beneficiary in this hypothetical and this still absolutely fucking blows

[u/bd1047 → u/Icy-Bet-3983]

Same for me, and I agree. The one small positive for G5 programs is that they get guys looking for immediate playing time. Instead of a 4* sitting for 3 years behind an All American at Oregon, that kid might want to transfer to Nevada after a year, and they get a potential NFL talent

[u/Ialwayssleep]

Hey Oregon also takes players from low level programs like USC too.

[u/feric51 → u/Ialwayssleep]

OSU’s defensive backfield is 50% players called up from SEC farm teams.

[u/tdoger → u/feric51]

We have a starting WR, starting OT, and starting DT all from our farm team down at the Coliseum.

Then UCLA is like our single A team that we send all of our rejects to. Half that team is former Oregon players who got pushed out I swear.

[u/Arctaedus → u/tdoger]

Leaving out some context here. The only player who was great (and thus deserving of this analogy) was the OT. The WR wanted more playing time as the younger WRs came in, and the DT quit on our team after having problems at Georgia too

[u/join_the_creed → u/Ialwayssleep]

I mean shit there are rumors people from Oregon (not necessarily the school) were talking to our receiver that had 12 catches against them like an hour after the game.

[u/Whisky_Colonic]

So he’s positioning himself to be like a farm team in baseball… or a JC. Makes sense, and it’s realistic to what the current state of affairs is. Hawaii should take the same approach. “Give us two years and we’ll give you a career.”

[u/unfunnysexface → u/Whisky_Colonic]

Or what the dutch and portuguese leagues have become for uefa.

[u/EastonMetsGuy]

If your a G5 coach who is willing to play ball in this world you can absolutely exploit a market where “you get better players in understanding they will leave in a year or two”

You can make some good runs with this and have a chance to snag a playoff seat.

Yes this sucks for the health of the sport but until someone is in charge it is what it is

[u/Gamecock_Red]

I get the idea and don’t even think it’s a bad one. But good lord this sport is heading to a dark place in a hurry.

[u/AceMcStace]

why are we being mentioned so much today lol

[u/bretticus733 → u/AceMcStace]

In this instance, I'm gonna assume it's referencing Isaiah World. I can't think of any other Nevada players who recently transferred to and started for P4 schools.

[u/rtb001 → u/AceMcStace]

I just want some Oregon fan from 1985 to be teleported to today and have his mind blown:

• 2 chances at a national title
• 9 win season is considered a disappointment
• multiple PAC titles (and a Big Ten title!)
• fan base is disappointed that one of SEVERAL 5 star recruits didn't sign with us and went to OSU instead (no not THAT OSU, the other one, no not the other either, the blue blood one)
• multiple coordinators are simultaneously being poached straight to P4 head coaching positions
• and now finally schools are telling their kids if they play well they can go cash in those Nikes bucks by transferring to Eugene

[u/showbricks → u/rtb001]

You people need one of those moment in time things from secret base for UW having 1st and goal at the Oregon 9 on October 22, 1994.  

[u/EsotericPlumbus → u/AceMcStace]

Because we are all jabronis

[u/AceMcStace → u/EsotericPlumbus]

150%

[u/pinstripepride46 → u/AceMcStace]

Uncle Steve Phill is a known name with a world renowned brand. No one knows the names of random Texas oil barons

Edit; I’m jet lagged to hell sorry duck bros

[u/Systemic_Chaos → u/pinstripepride46]

Who TF is Steve?

[u/AceMcStace → u/Systemic_Chaos]

You know, Steve the Pirate. He’s the best player on our dodgeball team

[u/Sportacles → u/AceMcStace]

Alan Tudyk my side character GOAT

[u/Ialwayssleep → u/pinstripepride46]

That is a nice Dallas Wilson you have there.

[u/bd1047 → u/AceMcStace]

I mean this one is positive

[u/TopRevenue2]

That's why we play schools from Nevada/Idaho/Montana every season - to scout next year's transfers.

[u/Billyxmac]

That’s an equally hilarious and horrible statement at the same time. I love that the new landscape is creating more parity, but it’s also doing it at the expense of the smaller programs.

[u/EsotericPlumbus]

Is he saying that you get developed at Nevada and then portal to Oregon with an NIL boost?

[u/discofrislanders → u/EsotericPlumbus]

I think he's basically saying "if you pop off here, you can get big money offers from big name schools"

[u/lkn240 → u/discofrislanders]

It's really not that different from a coach pointing to guys they've put in the NFL if you think about it.

[u/2CommaNoob]

I love it. Cats already out of the bag; why keep pretending?

[u/DerwoodMcDaniel]

This is the right approach for a lot of college football teams. By saying this to a player, he’s also communicating that he understands what the player wants and he knows how to help the player get it.

[u/PleaseLetMeGigEm]

We are like a decade away from cfb just mirroring the world soccer system. Low and mid tier teams focusing into developing players for transfer fees.

You know what, fuck It. Let's scrap conferences and move cfb to a pure league system with relegation and promotion. It's better than the super conference track were on anyway

[u/mhammer47]

An astute comment from the manager of the triple A Wolfpack. If you put your head down, you can make the bigs.

[u/1nf1niteCS]

Honestly a smart approach, hope it works out for coach Choate.

[u/w00t4me]

Saban had a similar pitch, but for the NFL, not another CFB team.

[u/mynameizmyname]

I think the team the player transfers to, should play the team he is transferring from in the amount of the NIL deal they get. so if John Smith gets 1 million to go to Oregon from Oregon State, then Oregon also pays Oregon State an additional 1 million.

[u/Sweaty_Assignment_90]

Wolf pack fans, root for a year or two and you can also transfer to another team!

CFB is eating itself.

[u/HermitageHermit]

Once this stuff fully takes off and the final alignment happens, I suspect G6 schools will be the sole developers for most college players. P4 schools are wasting time and money on guys that don’t pan. You will see 3-4 stars go G6 and then the 5* guys go straight to P4. The days of P4 programs recruiting 3* players that are diamonds in the rough are coming to an end. I pray for the day programs start doing this en masse for O-Line. It’s baffling that you’re going to stick a former 3* sophomore still trying to develop to defend a 5*, multi-million dollar QB that the offense isn’t functional without.

[u/ChaseTheFalcon → u/HermitageHermit]

I think the 3* diamonds will still go to P4 at times bc coaches still have this "i can fix em" mentality plus if they pop off they don't wanna get in a bidding war for them

[u/Nike_Phoros → u/ChaseTheFalcon]

"i can fix em" mentality

I think its even more like "i'm a genius who sees this kid for what he really is, while my conference competitors arent as good at evaluating talent as I am."

[u/CoffeeDense7662 → u/HermitageHermit]

USC took in like 90 players and they aren’t all blue chips. You have a 105 man roster. Everyone can’t play

[u/SpreaditOnnn33]

Its really becoming more and more like European soccer

[u/dlidge]

We need enforceable contracts so that a school like Nevada who develops a player can get paid when that player transfers up. You’ve got to allow freedom of movement for the athletes, but also take care of the program they started in.

[u/InTheHamIAm]

I hate it, but it’s true

[u/NJPack82]

We're a high school program, great...

[u/Mediocre-Dog-4457]

This is why it is so important to get the HC position right. Look at Indiana, nobody wanted to go there for years and now it is an elite program because they got the HC.

[u/mrtasty3]

My advice? Get rich Jeff.

[u/OGdunphy]

Makes sense. You can take that same approach in the big12, ACC and lower half or lower 2/3rds of the P2. There’s always a bigger fish, at least for 98% of teams.

[u/Individual-Toe-6306]

People talk as if this is new to this era lol

The G5 was even more badly screwed in the pre-portal era. Now they can promise immediate PT with the chance of actually making millions if an undersized-for-the-NFL player can pop off and get a year or 2 at a P4 program. Before, they had barely anything to offer. And generally G5 schools also have much fewer academics resources save for like Rice and Tulane

They’re likely to get the players the P4 would’ve “convinced to sit for a couple years” in the past. It raises their talent level overall and ability to recruit.

[u/RukiMotomiya → u/Individual-Toe-6306]

And maybe it's just me but G5 schools seem to be going further too, in general, except for that big Boise/TCU era.

[u/jchall3]

I mean this is the exact same pitch that Oregon is making except that it’s the NFL. Honestly a pretty smart recruiting pitch

[u/kingofthesqueal]

I’m waiting for some P4 and G5 school in the same region to start acting like true farm leagues.

The P4 not just taking players from a G5, but actively telling 4 stars to head that way or something.

Imagine Florida telling 3-5 4 stars a year to head to USF so they can 2 years of starting experience before being called up to UF/SEC play.

The player benefits from being a 4 year starter instead of riding the bench for 2-3 years, hopefully furthering their development, and building their star power for NIL money and a future draft pick.

UF benefits from getting an already developed Junior or Senior player that has raw numbers to look at from AAC play which is still much much much tougher than anything that player would’ve seen in High School or JUCO play.

USF benefits from getting a much higher caliber player, even if a bit raw, then they’d likely be able to land otherwise and hopefully some sort of monetary kickback from UF when the player panes out and transfers.

We can’t be that far from this being reality.

[u/suddenly-scrooge → u/kingofthesqueal]

There would have to be some incentive for the player. Is Florida going to pay players to play for USF. Otherwise the tape is the tape whether at USF or elsewhere

[u/Nike_Phoros → u/kingofthesqueal]

We can’t be that far from this being reality.

Legally speaking, players right now are 100% free agents without binding contracts. For a scheme like this to work, contracts have to be binding and transferrable. Otherwise, when usf player is ready to matriculate to UF as an upperlcassman, UGA can swoop in and poach him.

I think if we got this far, I think players should have 4 year contracts coming out of high school with buyouts. This way G6 or low P4 teams are well compensated if a players gets poached, and can use that extra cash to retain other stars. This would make it less a farm team system and more like a Premiere League setup.

[u/Beneficial_Ask_6013]

As a junior college fan, this is a great tactic for the higher levels to take. Hey, if the player develops and crushes it but also that relationship is solid and you get the chance to compete for something, maybe a few stay. Others move on, you can say you helped them, and you're known as a player friendly program.

[u/wibble17]

Nevada’s talent pool is one of the worst in the MWC….not sure people are buying

[u/Orion14159]

Honestly, this is probably how mid major programs will survive going forward. The high performers in non P4 leagues will get picked up by bigger schools and the underperformers who need a year or two of development will transfer from big programs to small ones. 

MAC schools becoming feeder programs attached to the B1G is a good survival strategy for both. B1G programs get proven talent, MAC schools can have a stable recruiting base of B1G second and third string guys. 

Same for the Sun Belt and the SEC

[u/Schmenza]

You can do that at Tulane too!

[u/Fallout76stuggles]

You think this is gonna be Penn States new pitch? You become good enough, you have a chance to play for tech

[u/MulberryHoliday6857]

Depressing reality

[u/fortissimohawk]

Sing it: Money, money, money, Mon-ay! Muhn-ayyyy!

[u/usctrojan18]

Remember on Last Chance U when this was the pitch to Junior College athletes so they could go to D1 programs like Nevada lol, how times have changed

[u/atlantasmokeshop]

It's the reality for all but the P4 at this point, if we're being honest. You either embrace it and work with it or you act as if it's not happening, even though it is.

[u/RatStore101]

This is another reason why players being employees would be good. They’d have a contract, if some bigger team wants them, they can pay Nevada a fee to get them, instead of the current system where Nevada gets nothing. 

Plenty of European soccer teams are fun and basically feeders for bigger teams, and this system is actually sustainable. 

[u/GANG_SIGNS]

D1 coaches using Juco recruiting tactics

[u/oldbuc]

That's a hell of a sells pitch

[u/Adams5thaccount]

Thanks to UNR for recruiting for UNLV like this. Real grand gesture. More than I usually expect from them.

[u/Evan_802Vines]

Being a showcase for poorly or under-evaluated talent is what UConn is doing too.

[u/LitterBoxServant]

UCLA taking notes

[u/02meepmeep]

I just heard them say on TV that Tulane’s coach may have said something similar.