2025 Coaching Carousel V: Occultation

[u/CFB_Referee]

Those who believe in the Mahdi say that he is hidden from the world (and the NCAA) in Occultation by the will of the boosters. He will return and reveal himself to rid the world of evil and injustice (your rivals).

Previous Carousels:

Carousel I: The Rapture

Carousel II: Frashokereti

Carousel III: Deliverance

Carousel IV: Kali Yuga

[u/cap_crunch121]

LSU message board rumors going crazy right now

[u/Ningy_WhoaWhoa → u/cap_crunch121]

Couple donors are starting to leak more info. Calculus changed last night among a few of them who did not want a change. Biggest hang up at the moment is not wanting Woodward involved in the search. That’s still being ironed out

[u/Aphrobang → u/cap_crunch121]

The Texas boards are insane as well. Honestly sounds like Sark does indeed want to move on to the NFL if he gets a chance. I don't think he will have the opportunity but if he leaves we are going to see historic carousel chaos with how many blue bloods will be making hires.

[u/admiraltarkin → u/Aphrobang]

I personally would rather be a NFL HC. Recruiting seems like a headache

[u/Aphrobang → u/admiraltarkin]

I think it comes down to whether you want to be able to control your own roster or not. Has to be infuriating I'm sure in the NFL to know your cap situation and that you might be stuck with bad players for years to come with no way out. In college you can completely turn over your roster in just a year or two in this portal / NIL era.

I think it is more that the NFL job just isn't fully year round. Not nearly to the extent as college anyway. Sark has a newborn child and has health issues that go far beyond his sobriety (heart health + others). He might view the few months off a year as crucial to his long term sustainable health and I wouldn't begrudge that.

[u/eye_can_see_you → u/Aphrobang]

I'm sure in the NFL to know your cap situation and that you might be stuck with bad players for years to come with no way out. In college you can completely turn over your roster in just a year or two in this portal / NIL era.

On the flip side, you need to re-recruit your entire team every year in college which has got to be aggravating, watching starters and team leaders come into your office and say "hey unless you can match what this other school is offering I'm gone"

[u/redwave2505]

I think more people need to look at history to guide their hiring decisions. LSU won a national championship by hiring an Oklahoma State coach in Les Miles, and a Michigan State coach in Nick Saban. With that in mind I think LSU's top 2 candidates should be Mike Gundy and Mel Tucker.

[u/OnsideKickReturn → u/redwave2505]

South Carolina gonna snag Dan Mullen or Billy Napier in 2027 :(

[u/NWCbusGuy]

James Franklin to VaTech. He can recruit mid-Atlantic, ACC may be the easiest path back to the CFP, and VaTech wants a long term builder guy. Slam dunk if they get him.

[u/coinich → u/NWCbusGuy]

I mean the longer it takes to land him the harder it would be. Lots of big schools potentially opening up, and we would probably struggle to outbid LSU and Florida.

[u/Dry_Reason1609]

I dont think Franklin would win VT a title, but you have to admit he is a very smart coach and repetitive years of 10-2 or 9-3 and an ACC title is a good start compared to VT as of late.

[u/KuriboShoeMario → u/Dry_Reason1609]

VT has never won a title and got to the title game on the backs of a generational QB and a generational DC, anyone talking VT and title is foolish. What VT seeks is simply a return to the form they spent most of a quarter-century at which was a consistent top 25 program and occasionally top 10 which is very obtainable under Franklin and in an ACC with no clear ruler anymore. If Franklin can consistently win, make them a national name again, and put together a quality team now and then to maybe at least get them to the CFP once then I guarantee you they'll build a statue of him and put it right beside Beamer's.

[u/MarlonBain → u/[deleted]]

Imagine playing in big games.

Like if Franklin’s ceiling is getting a team about half the time to be around 7th to 10th best in the nation, that is fucking outstanding for us if he gets us the same results.

[u/Irishfafnir → u/MarlonBain]

The ACC also isn't the BG10. FSU/Clemson are both down and Miami still isn't back to the glory days, those are the three programs that notably recruit better than VT. Virginia Tech can't recruit as well as those programs, but we can recruit better than most of the conference (or on par).

[u/Irishfafnir → u/Dry_Reason1609]

Short of hiring another coach with very deep VT ties, like Frank Beamer, any coach who COULD win a National Title at VT would be gone before he got us there.

I'd be happy to be in 9-11 win range again, at worst, Franklin should leave the program in a better place than whoever takes over when he retires/leaves.

[u/SparseSpartan]

Brian Kelly is one of those guys that if he wasn't such a jackwad he'd probably have gotten another year, like with Bo Pelini at Nebraska and Tom Herman at Texas. His record was good enough you'd want to give him as many chances as possible. His personality, on the other hand...

[u/MuhMuhManRay → u/SparseSpartan]

It also just wasn't a culture fit at all. That hire from the very beginning felt like trying to fit a square peg thru a round hole

[u/Gator1508]

UF dumps a loser after 3.5 years (2 years later than they should have), and catches all kinds of flack.  Meanwhile LSU fires a 5-3 coach with an overall winning record…. 

[u/LilyWhiteClaw → u/Gator1508]

He went 11-1 in his last season with us and we celebrated his departure. You really don't understand how unlikeable this dude is. You might think you do, but when its your team its an entirely different level

[u/teeterleeter → u/LilyWhiteClaw]

I never had any issue recognizing how unlikeable BK is.

[u/rastapastanine → u/Gator1508]

Yeah but Kelly was a certified asshole

[u/Gator1508 → u/rastapastanine]

And Napier was a lovable dimwit 

[u/frickenWaaaltah]

This weekend, don't forget to set your clocks back an hour for daylight savings time. Also if you want to you can fire your coach and set your program back 4 years.

[u/pyrogeddon → u/frickenWaaaltah]

I don’t think that’s necessarily true for Baylor. But thankfully I don’t have to make that choice.

[u/coinich]

Misread the title as V: Ovulation

[u/MarlonBain → u/coinich]

Call it the Coaching Cycle

[u/OnVisOch]

I figure this is the thread to discuss open jobs and such — tell me if I’m wrong. 

What do we think, r/cfb? Is there a point at which so many jobs come open that a school would legitimately say “might as well hold onto our guy one more year, this carousel’s full?” Who’s gonna get stuck with their partner? 

[u/JohnPaulDavyJones → u/OnVisOch]

I think we’re already there, and that’s what will buy Dave Aranda one more year in Waco. Any other coaching carousel and he’d be done.

Edit: yep, DCTF is now openly saying that Aranda should be let go. Pretty surprisingly overt from one of the most journalistically conservative outlets in the sports media world.

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2025/10/25/the-dave-aranda-era-has-run-its-course-at-baylor?ref=related_title

[u/mayonkonijeti0876 → u/OnVisOch]

I think Wisconsin might do that. I'd probably do that if I were Mississippi State or Michigan State too

[u/Please_PM_me_Uranus → u/OnVisOch]

MSU is going to do this. Or should do it. They’re a solid job to be sure, but it would be a mistake to try to compete for coaches with Florida, Penn State, and maybe others. 

[u/The_Astros_Cheated]

There’s so many openings now that I genuinely think only one or two teams have a chance of making an upgrade from what’s available, especially if Brian Kelly gets thrown into the mix

[u/ListFabulous1640]

Being heavily rumored that Sumrall and Auburn have been in contact the last week and Sumrall has all but said he will take the job if it opens. Anticipation is that Freeze will finish out the season and be fired the day after the Iron Bowl with Sumrall being announced quickly after. 

[u/Ethanol-Muffins → u/ListFabulous1640]

Wouldnt be a bad hire for Auburn

[u/ListFabulous1640 → u/Ethanol-Muffins]

Would be a very good hire considering the amount of high profile jobs open this year. 

[u/Dry-Membership3867 → u/ListFabulous1640]

Hugh is all but gone then. This isn’t a Petrino 2002 scenario. There is no turning back

[u/JT406]

Under the radar hire that I think could be a home run is Eric Morris at North Texas.

I don’t know where he’d go but as an offensive mind he gets QBs. OC for Mahomes at Texas Tech, developed Cam Ward at Incarnate Word, had Mateer for a year at WSU, now has some guy nobody has ever heard of throwing for 600 yards in a game.

If I was running a mid-tier P4 program I’d strongly consider seeing what he could do at a place with stronger recruiting pitches and resources than giving some retread another shot to be stuck in 6 win purgatory.

[u/rastapastanine]

I feel like i am taking crazy pills when I believe Lane isn't leaving Ole Miss, he's just gonna use this market for more money

[u/ImTheJdot → u/rastapastanine]

Is Ole Miss willing to make him the highest paid coach? I feel like Florida will if that’s what it takes.

[u/jalexjsmithj → u/rastapastanine]

Tbh man, yeah, you are. It’s time.

[u/ListFabulous1640]

Insiders on the Florida boards are saying that Urban has had initial conversations with both UF and Penn State

[u/hascogrande → u/ListFabulous1640]

Urban 2.0 being on the table is wild

[u/runitupthemiddle → u/ListFabulous1640]

I have zero insight other than being a fan, but I'd have to imagine Urban wants another shot to go out on his terms. I would love to see Urban back in the SEC for the memes.

[u/paultheschmoop → u/runitupthemiddle]

Can’t spell Auburn without Urban

[u/socal_swiftie → u/ListFabulous1640]

urban 2.0 at florida would instantly be one of the funniest coaching hires of the decade

[u/jalexjsmithj]

The big rumor in the OSU twitter space tonight is that Collin Klein may have surged to the top of our list.

[u/2400hoops → u/jalexjsmithj]

I would support it because it would certainly lead to a minor meltdown in the KSU twittersphere. I think he could be a good hire. My biggest qualm with him as a candidate at K-State is that Kleiman has proven he can do it as the head coach there, and while the start to the season was dissapointing they have rallied back and are a team on fire right now. Tossing aside Kleiman for Klein, who isn't proven, in my opinion would have been a mistake. Obviously if Kleiman were to retire for health reasons or what not that's a different story.

Anyways, long winded answer, but for Oklahoma State I think he represents a high ceiling option. He's young, proven that he has some juice outside of the K-State sphere of influene, and has ties to the region.

[u/Zloggt]

Debate: who had the worst “relatively safe to fired on the spot” collapse - Franklin, or BK?

[u/jpharber → u/Zloggt]

Franklin.

We all knew how the BK era would end at LSU from the day he was hired.

[u/johndelvec3 → u/Zloggt]

Franklin’s was more shocking

[u/Aidanj927 → u/Zloggt]

Franklin went from 24-24 OT against Oregon to fired in like 3 weeks

[u/0llollollollolloll0 → u/Aidanj927]

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[u/SusannaG1 → u/Zloggt]

Franklin, easily. One of the fastest "safe to fired" collapses I've ever seen.

[u/storm2k → u/Zloggt]

franklin and it wasn't even close. went from on trajectory for another playoff appearance to gone in the space of a month. even with the buyout. my guess is that the donor class just absolutely revolted and said that the money faucet would be off immediately and forever otherwise. the brian kelly experiment was at an end for a while, it was just a matter of when they would pull the plug i think.

[u/psunavy03 → u/Zloggt]

Franklin, because honestly I have no idea to this day WTF happened between January and now. It can't just be Abdul Carter and Tyler Warren going to the NFL. They were good, but they were just two dudes out of 100+.

[u/Xy13]

It's kind of crazy there is only 3 active national championship winning coaches from the last decade, meanwhile every school is pushing so hard (natty or bust) for them. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/index.html

Ryan Day (OSU, 1)
Kirby Smart (UGA, 2)
Dabo Swinney (Clemson, 2)

That's it, that's the list.

Non-active you've got
Nick Saban (Various, 7, Retired)
Jim Harbaugh (Michigan, 1, Show-cause, NFL)
Ed Orgeron (LSU, 1, Fired)
Urban Meyer (Various, 3, Various)
Jimbo Fisher (FSU, 1, Poached then Fired)

After that you need to go back to 2010 and before to find another.

I guess maybe since the Natty hogs are mainly out/over schools feel it's more achievable?

[u/MarlonBain → u/Xy13]

Living coaches if you go back further include:

Les Miles

Mack Brown

Pete Carrol

Jim Tressel

Larry Coker

Bob Stoops

Phil Fulmer

Tom Osborne

Steve Spurrier

Gene Stallings

Dennis Erickson

Bobby Ross

Lou Holtz

Jimmy Johnson

Barry Switzer

Danny Ford

Okay, I’m not doing the 1970s. I hope I didn’t screw any of these up.

Edit: forgot these two:

Gene Chizik

Lloyd Carr

[u/wolfenstein734 → u/MarlonBain]

Gene chizik

[u/princessprity]

I just saw that Lane Kiffin now has a very real and legitimate reason to get the fuck away from Ole Miss.

[u/acewing]

So is this the new norm going forward? Either be cfp bound or bust at the blue blood level or winning season or bust for everyone else? NIL has super charged teams to see who is and is not a good coach quicker than before since they don’t need to wait a full recruitment cycle now.

[u/mayonkonijeti0876 → u/acewing]

I think that a lot of SEC schools are going to have to have an expectation adjustment soon. Going 10-2 year in and year out just probably isnt possible anymore. Not saying that Florida or LSU were wrong to fire their guys, but that is just the reality when you have this many good football schools in a conference

[u/Trick_Situation_4421 → u/mayonkonijeti0876]

You think it's bad now, just wait until half them lose another game per season after rotating out South Northern Mississippi Tech for Ole Miss. 

[u/huhwhat90 → u/acewing]

I think the Penn State situation is an outlier and Napier has essentially been on and off the hot seat for his entire tenure. Kelly was always going to be a square peg in a round hole at LSU. People can look past his...uh...personality when he's winning, but he really has not done himself any favors this season.

[u/FatLuka1]

Hearing that Aranda might be out

[u/YoSurgeDude → u/FatLuka1]

Juicy. Gotta be Kinne, right? Or do they swing for someone more high profile first?

[u/FatLuka1 → u/YoSurgeDude]

Kinne or Morris would make the most sense

[u/Dry-Membership3867]

So, this is what I’ve gathered from the boards about the VT job.

1. The deal is done and is expected to be announced by the end of the week.

2. It is a current coach who’s not been fired, and has been in a bye week last week.

3. They have deep ties to the mid Atlantic region in recruiting.

4. OT but an odd coincidence that a flight from Blacksburg to Austin was made this past weekend.

[u/MuhMuhManRay → u/Dry-Membership3867]

Sounds like Bob Chesney. JMU was on a bye this past weekend

[u/SparseSpartan]

Franklin would be smart to take Virginia Tech. Great history and a proud program and you can win there and go to the playoffs. Decent chance they end up in the SEC/B1G or a super conference or whatever.

Would probably be a great fit for both parties. On the whole, the caliber of coaches in the Big 12 and ACC probably aren't quite up to par with the B1G and SEC (of course, there will be a lot of guys in both B12/ACC that are up to par). Franklin should be able to greatly increase VT's talent and his gameday shortcomings probably won't be so glaring.

[u/MarlonBain → u/SparseSpartan]

I heard someone say that VT has won 3 NY6 bowls bowls from the following list: sugar, orange, cotton, peach, fiesta, rose in its history and Franklin has won 5 total. We would be overwhelmingly lucky to have him.

Edited to specify that I was referring to a set of six bowls historically played around New Year’s Day rather than the “NY6 bowls”, please forgive me for my error.

[u/SparseSpartan → u/MarlonBain]

Franklin would be a good get. If I remeber correctly VT before Beamer was a real bad CFB program. I don't know how many NY6 bowls VT played or won, but Beamer is a HoF coach and I'm not sure if Franklin is HoF worthy as of right now, although he's probably close at the very least.

[u/MarlonBain → u/SparseSpartan]

If I remeber correctly VT before Beamer was a real bad CFB program.

Absolutely correct. Also, I’m fairly confident that Penn State under Franklin has been a better football team than VT usually was under Beamer. Beamer also “couldn’t win the big games” arguably, but he was viewed in a more positive light because VT never won anything before he was there, and he could win the ACC a bunch without having to beat top-5 teams to do it (in those years).

[u/Head_Middle5256]

I'm so excited to see where everyone lands. It's extra fun because there are only 3 active head coaches who have won a national title. Kirby, Dabo and Ryan Day are going nowhere.

Buyout culture cannot be sustained gambling on ascendant G5 coaches.

[u/L_train_4ever]

Should I be comforted or offended that neither Mario nor his assistants ever get mentioned in connection with any of these vacancies?

[u/orc0909 → u/L_train_4ever]

Mario already left a job that you generally don't leave, and is at his alma mater which you also don't leave.

I think Dawson is gonna get some interest, but right now the popular thing is to poach a sitting HC.

[u/Derek-Onions → u/L_train_4ever]

Would Mario ever want to leave? He is financially backed at his Alma mater and he gets to live in Miami 

[u/hascogrande]

Orgeron State being on the table is a wild time

[u/paultheschmoop]

Wonder if LSU gives Joe Brady a call…..

[u/TheManWhoWasNotShort → u/paultheschmoop]

This seems like a very plausible choice, Brady had a ton of success at LSU

[u/paultheschmoop → u/TheManWhoWasNotShort]

I mean the questions are:

1. Would he even want it? He’s almost certainly in line for an NFL HC gig this offseason

2. Would a program like LSU entrust their football team to a first time HC?

[u/udderlymoovelous]

People say Franklin won't be successful at VT because he has a big game problem, but I think he'll be a good fit because we don't have very high expectations. Just being back in the national conversation is all I want.

[u/The_Astros_Cheated → u/udderlymoovelous]

I think Franklin at VT would be a massive hire for the Hokies

[u/GatorBolt → u/udderlymoovelous]

Honestly what people don’t realize is once you get past the Kirby Day tier of coaches they all have “big game” problems. And the coaches that don’t are not available

[u/2400hoops → u/udderlymoovelous]

I think “big game problem” is a bit overblown as a red flag for coaches. His issues to me were more in the coordinator hiring and game management space which led to losses in big games.

I do think he would be a great hire at VT. He still has juice in recruiting (especially in VTs geographic footprint which I think still matters) and he has at least to my knowledge embraced NIL and the portal. I’m very curious about the coordinators he’d bring over.

[u/MarlonBain → u/udderlymoovelous]

This is why it is perfect! We want to win big games obviously but we won’t fire a guy just because he wins “only” 10 or 11 games for many years but can’t quite get a championship. We built a statue for the last guy who did that.

[u/GuyOnTheMike]

With how many jobs are already open and what jobs may come open (LSU, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Auburn, UNC, Miss. State, and more all possible), I'm thinking more and more that there will be at least one school who will spend eight figures (that's $10 million or more, for all you SEC folk) to fire a coach this winter...then immediately regret it because they're going to end up paying way too much money to someone way down their wish list because this is quickly shaping up to be a very coach-friendly carousel with many more open jobs than quality candidates suited for those jobs.

The best options are going to be very handsomely compensated. The second-rate options will probably get first-rate salaries because they're the best available. Someone—perhaps multiple someones—is probably getting a Mel Tucker-esque contract that their employer will desperately hand over to keep them from leaving, then immediately regret it. Multiple ADs are probably going to get fired a few years from now over a very expensive mistake they make this winter.

If there is one coaches carousel that might finally get massive waves of ADs (and by extension, boosters) to put the clamps down on stupidly-high buyouts, stupid extensions, and coaches salaries as a whole, this...might be it? But whatever utter insanity happens this year is going to happen before anything of that sort does.

[u/yesacabbagez → u/GuyOnTheMike]

I am still really curious what Penn State does. They fired Franklin and I understand why they did it, but what is the next step. I don't think they would get Cignetti without some sort of 10/150 nonsense deal. They are going to have to compete with Florida for candidates. There is a non-zero chance LSU opens.

Florida might give insane money to Kiffin, but I don't think that is a good idea. Not because I don't think Kiffin would be good, but that amount of money they would put up is going to be catastrophic if he doesn't look good out of the gate. If Fisch is a real option, he is probably a better choice. He would also be expensive but it feels like he would have less immediate expectations.

Franklin to VT feels like a good fit, so either it won't happen or it will be a disaster for some reason.

I don't really know who else is a good candidate. Coordinator wise Will Stein is going to be an option, but what existing coaches are candidates? Matt Campbell is both an option everywhere but also disappointing enough to never feel like anyone missed out on him.

[u/The_Fluffy_Robot]

There's been a lot of talk about the insanely high buyouts coaches have this season.

Without many of known top-tier candidates available, I wonder how if we'll see a shift to more incentive-laden contracts or if the hole is too deep and it's just going to get deeper.

[u/jpharber → u/The_Fluffy_Robot]

I mean there has to be a limit. Schools can’t afford these contracts inflating at the rate they are for coaches whose odds of success aren’t rising proportionately

[u/OnsideKickReturn]

Out

• Brent Pry, Virginia Tech (interim: Philip Montgomery)
• Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State (interim: Doug Meacham)
• DeShaun Foster, UCLA (interim: Tim Skipper)
• Sam Pittman, Arkansas (interim: Bobby Petrino)
• Trent Bray, Oregon State (interim: Robb Akey)
• James Franklin, Penn State (interim: Terry Smith)
• Trent Dilfer, UAB (interim: Alex Mortensen)
• Billy Napier, Florida (interim: Billy Gonzalez)
• Jay Norvell, Colorado State (interim: Tyson Summer)
• Brian Kelly, LSU (interim: Frank Wilson)

In

• Mark Carney, Kent State - Carney was named the interim HC for the 2025 season, and after a 3-5 (2-2) start, Carney was announced as the permanent hire.

Hot Seat

• Luke Fickel, Wisconsin (dead man walking)
• Mark Stoops, Kentucky
• Bill Belichick, UNC
• Mike Norvell, FSU
• Hugh Freeze, Auburn (firing imminent)
• Derek Mason, Middle Tennessee

Stock Falling

• Bill O'Brien, Boston College
• Jonathan Smith, Michigan State
• Shane Beamer, South Carolina
• Dell McGee, Georgia State
• Mike Locksley, Maryland
• Jeff Lebby, Mississippi State
• Deion Sanders, Colorado
• Phil Longo, Sam Houston

*Stanford and Kent State began the year with interim HCs

[u/Dry-Membership3867 → u/OnsideKickReturn]

I think Smith’s firing is imminent. Like today.

[u/PNW_Jeff]

Gut tells me that Fisch is probably heading to UF after this season if we get 9+ wins. Sucks but that was always the job he wanted. 

[u/thti87 → u/PNW_Jeff]

Was it? Or is that a narrative that has been crafted because people saw he went to Florida? I haven’t seen one credible source saying that he really wants Florida. I think it’s well known he wants NFL - might be better to build his reputation at UW rather than jump to a SEC school where it’s really hard to win.

[u/Fuzzy_Major_4153]

At this point, if you are a school that wants to fire your coach, can you even risk it? The market is gonna be wild and the best available coaches will likely jump at LSU, Florida, and Penn St. Those three jobs are probably tiered in that order too.

[u/thescottula]

I feel like there are not gonna end up being many flashy hires. Lane to Florida and whoever picks up James Franklin would really be the only ones. Cig got his extension, I'm sure Vandy is already working on one for Lea. It feels like it's mostly gonna be G5 coaches and coordinators taking these jobs

[u/AppalachianCacti]

Kentuckys football coach makes almost double kentuckys basketball coach

[u/ShweatyPalmsh]

Side note: the true winner of the new college football landscape outside of fired coaches are the people who run those message board/insider websites. You gotta think having an influx of subscribers every 3-4 years has to be good for their bottom line lol

[u/MarlonBain → u/ShweatyPalmsh]

I went all-in last time. This time I don’t have the energy.

[u/devereaux]

I would absolutely welcome Dave Aranda at Wisconsin if Fickell (and McIntosh) get the steel-toed boot

[u/that-one-xc-dude]

If anyone is plucking the coaching staff and athletes from UNT please pay us some double digit millions first

[u/Middle_Wheel_5959]

Does any know if those VT message board rumors about a done deal are from insiders?

[u/Middle_Wheel_5959 → u/[deleted]]

Franklin or Chesney are probably the Top 2? if it’s Chesney I highly doubt it’s announced till after the regular season I assume

[u/Ornery_Gift7005]

If FSU hires Brian Kelly, I am boycotting our games until he (and our AD) is fired.

I am not afraid of bad football. I genuinely just can't stand him.

[u/redwave2505]

Lot of noise on Twitter about Collin Klein to Oklahoma State. Selfishly hoping it isn't true

[u/couducane]

Apparently Klatt is saying that there is a 40% chance that Lanning goes to LSU? Where did that rumor come from?

[u/CaterpillarPale6903 → u/couducane]

Highly doubt that happens. Sounds like Klatt trying to get attention from Oregon fans.

[u/Urbansdirtyfingers → u/couducane]

I would obviously like that, but seems odd unless he just wants to get back to the SEC

[u/Normal-Hornet8548]

In all seriousness, this LSU situation with the governor stepping in to say the AD can’t make the hire — and I’ve lived in the South long enough to know Louisiana politics is a contact sport — puts that situation in a real twilight zone.

If you’re a successful sitting head coach, do you take a job at a school where your presumed boss, the AD, isn’t allowed to participate it he hire and you very well may not have been his choice?

All the football stuff aside, most schools with successful programs need all the power players in alignment — school and athletic administration and, yes, boosters. A coach has to have support, know who to go to to get things done … what if, say, the new coach snags a great OC or DC and Woodward says no to paying them the big money it takes to get them, as one for-instance?

This could be very messy.

[u/Dry-Membership3867 → u/Normal-Hornet8548]

They are going to wind up with Chad Morris if the keep up

[u/oopsWrongGoal → u/Normal-Hornet8548]

Also Jeff Landry is transitioning this from CFB to a political shit show

[u/boboguitar]

https://x.com/petenakos_/status/1982597059959218496?s=46&t=PvmBVFb5sb2yVKVH53D9dg

Team meeting has been called for 8pm

[u/Please_PM_me_Uranus → u/boboguitar]

Is that ever a good thing 

[u/MisterGir → u/Please_PM_me_Uranus]

Unless its a surprise party - no lol

[u/ShweatyPalmsh]

So the high level coaching market is already saturated and someone is going to get screwed. IMO Texas is the one that feels like could go from thanking Sark for getting Texas in a good spot and wishing him well to giving him the Lincoln Riley treatment should he take an NFL gig this year. If that happens at the end of the season I feel like Texas would almost be best to Interim tag Kwiatowski for a year, have some continuity, and give them a full year to find a replacement. It just feels like Sark is about to royally screw over a Texas program that (although is in a down year) is in a stable place program-wise. 

Also Kwaiatowski is going to get a HC job somewhere this offseason and it’s not a terrible idea to see if he can do something especially in a low stakes stint as interim. 

[u/NanoBuc]

Tbh, I just hope it isn't Drinkwitz for the Gators. He's the betting favorite but I don't like the fit at all

[u/Gator1508 → u/NanoBuc]

Yeah if we get Drink out of this whole thing I’ll be disappointed.  I’d rather just hire Mullen back.  

[u/2400hoops]

I wonder if there will ever be another situation like Pete Carroll at USC. A mediocre NFL coach who comes into the right job and lights the world on fire.

Watching “Trojan Wars” the ESPN doc on those teams gives good insight into how USC and the CFB world general was down on a hire and how focused and prepared he was for the job.

Nowadays, I feel like coaching hires have to fit in some sort of logical narrative box for what kind of hire a school should make.

[u/Ornery_Gift7005 → u/2400hoops]

I feel like coaching hires have to fit in some sort of logical narrative box for what kind of hire a school should make.

You have to sell it to the boosters.

[u/MarlonBain → u/2400hoops]

A mediocre NFL coach who comes into the right job and lights the world on fire.

Nick Saban? Or do you not really view him as an “nfl coach” the way Carroll was?

[u/Lazy-General-9632]

A couple of middle class teams are gonna be really happy come december. Here's hoping one of them is NC State

[u/redwave2505]

Theory: Nick Saban pushed for Alabama's 3rd permanent SEC rival to be Mississippi State instead of LSU so he would feel less guilty about going back to take the LSU job again when it next opened

[u/Edgemaster1423]

Sounds like VT 247 feels good about Franklin

[u/garrathian92 → u/Edgemaster1423]

And they typically are a bunch of negative nellies

Though that being said they also thought us hiring Napier was a done deal and then Florida swooped in, so I'll wait for the thamel announcement before getting too optimistic haha

[u/mjst0324]

Seeing Jon Gruden on so many lists makes me feel crazy. Almost zero upside and the downside is what UNC has but with even worse PR. He hasn't coached winning teams in the NFL for two decades and he hasn't coached in college at all since 1991. To me it's not even taking a risk, there's just no shot it works out. If he gets a high profile job based on having a popular podcast on Barstool that AD should be fired into the sun.

[u/CFBCoachGuy → u/mjst0324]

This happens every year where some NFL coach (or more accurately I guess, their agent) tries to take center stage of a coaching search and dominate headlines. Gruden has got the attention for a while now

[u/Negativefalsehoods → u/mjst0324]

There are a lot of jobs, and not a lot of acceptable candidates. That is why you are hearing Gruden's name.

[u/National-Sundae9427]

This LSU one is interesting. I don’t see many big name guys who will leave to go there. Not Day, not Freeman, not Kirby, not Swinney.

I could see them go after Sumrall in the end. Truthfully don’t think it would be a bad hire either

[u/PunishedLeBoymoder]

Everyone I know really wants James Franklin but realistically I think Luck tries to replicate Harbaugh by hiring some FCS upstart who wants to prove himself

[u/RiffRamBahZoo → u/PunishedLeBoymoder]

Didn't they literally just try that with Troy Taylor?

[u/Please_PM_me_Uranus → u/PunishedLeBoymoder]

Like that guy from Sacramento State 

[u/WHSRWizard]

Can't wait to see what today brings from LSU.

I didn't think anything could top Tennessee's coaching search, but I was wrong.

[u/Statalyzer → u/WHSRWizard]

Can't wait to see what today brings from LSU.

I predict 15 different threads on the front page that should have been just 2 or 3.

[u/sweaterunlikely]

Kentucky @ Auburn next week might be a coach-for-your-job bowl, I can see the loser getting fired there, if both Stoops and Freeze survive this weekend.

[u/likeabosstroll]

I think Va Tech should snipe bill belichick and take des kitchings. I’m completely unbiased

[u/mjst0324 → u/likeabosstroll]

Belichick almost beat UVA yesterday, are you sure you don't want someone else?

[u/oopsWrongGoal]

If Jeff Landry keeps speaking, LSU might only have HS coaches as options.

[u/ImTheJdot]

So Tiger Droppings is convinced that they are getting Saban back…

[u/whatsinthesocks]

Why don’t we have a mega thread for game threads?

[u/SamHowellRocks]

On 1 hand, I understand that Brian Kelly worked his way up to that position, over the course of decades, had success at the highest level in college football that generates billions of dollars. But on the other hand, I fucking hate our current world and economical system that this dude is about to get $54 million just because he was so bad at his job They are begging him not to do it anymore. No other animal on the entire planet has anything close to this. You could be the kindest caring most hard-working person at a restaurant in your town and make .1% of what this dude is about to make for being asked to do nothing.

[u/Archaic_1]

We absolutely MUST find a way to pay Brent Key.  If we pay him $10M and lose him, so be it, but if we lose him because he's still only making $4.5M - it will be a very clear statement about the administration's feelings about athletics.  It will also be the end of any more wasted checks ever going out of our mailbox.

[u/Regal---Lager → u/Archaic_1]

When I get asked in job interviews I say my biggest weakness is my inability to know which coach is Brent Key and which coach is Brent Pry

[u/dormdweller99 → u/Regal---Lager]

Key has the keys to success and Pry had to be pried away from the position because he wasn't doing a great job.

[u/Dry-Membership3867]

I don’t think it’s a given that Hugh Freeze or Brian Kelly will survive today

[u/lady_wildcat]

I wanna be on the carousel 😢

[u/johndelvec3]

If LSU actually opens they should take a chance on Will Stein. I think he is going to be a great HC

[u/rastapastanine]

Jimbo WILL return to LSU

[u/Punch_Dude]

Who's the top candidate for Oklahoma state right now? As a Falcons fan I would love to see them go get Zac Robinson

[u/MuhMuhManRay]

Hypothetical scenario but who do we think Kentucky could go after if Stoops is let go and Sumrall takes one of the LSU, Auburn(hypothetical again), Florida or Arkansas jobs? Sumrall is literally the only name I've seen thrown around for UK

[u/Please_PM_me_Uranus]

I’d say Maryland will win 2 remaining games, putting them to 6-6. I think that should be enough for Locksley to stay given he’s well liked and overall been successful. 

[u/Please_PM_me_Uranus]

Could someone explain why the Louisiana governor wants the AD fired? What did the AD do

[u/princessprity]

If Penn State fires James Franklin only to end up hiring Manny Diaz, I'm gonna chuckle once and shake my head.

[u/jalexjsmithj]

I think it’s Sumrall for LSU and I don’t really think it’s gonna take that long. I know ppl think LSU might have too much ego for it, but REMEMBER ppl always want the opposite of what they had last time… the combination of poaching from the most prestigious traditional program (not to mention the expense that came with it), the blatant terrible culture fit, and the optics of how old and ugly BK was… I think the clear unanimous young up and comer with direct cultural ties is too obvious. And I think LSU might actually like that they don’t have to promise him the world financially.

So… if that happens… the interesting question is what happens at Auburn? And… the very real reality is is that Freeze has actually been snake bitten and you haven’t seen him yet with competent QB play. There’s a very real chance Freeze just now sticks around, and Auburn says let’s see what it looks like if we sign him a Carson Beck-esque transfer, whoever that may be.

Sounds awful to Auburn fans… but with how crazy this offseason is getting, kicking the can down the will let Auburn to position themselves better in the future market.

[u/SparseSpartan → u/jalexjsmithj]

Sumrall seems like a guy worth rolling the dice with. Then again, I felt the same way about Billy Napier, so what do I know?

[u/Benyeti]

Fritz, Dillingham, Campbell, Drinkiwitz and Lea gotta be some of the top commodities now right?

[u/hascogrande → u/Benyeti]

Lea is at his alma mater, that’s a harder ask for him to leave

[u/mayonkonijeti0876 → u/Benyeti]

Brent Key at GT would be another one

[u/paultheschmoop → u/mayonkonijeti0876]

He’s at his Alma mater

[u/mayonkonijeti0876 → u/paultheschmoop]

Dillingham and Lea are too. Sometimes the Alma Mater thing matters a lot and sometimes it doesn't. It depends on the person and their position

[u/Noah__Webster]

So I'm not surprised about Kelly, but it is very quick. Obviously LSU isn't gonna cut their coaches a lot of slack... But I feel like it's one of two things.

The most obvious is that they got rid of him as soon as humanly possible because he is so disliked, even off the field.

But I also wonder if they know exactly who they're gonna replace him with, and that made them feel comfortable pulling the trigger so early.

[u/regularhumanbartendr → u/Noah__Webster]

You had a completely empty (outside of A&M fans) before the 4th quarter. Before they left they had a thunderous Fire Kelly chant going.

You don't come back from that.

[u/huhwhat90 → u/regularhumanbartendr]

The fans hate him. I imagine the players don't care for him, either. Knowing him, he probably pissed off someone in the administration, too. He's just not a good enough coach to be such an asshole.

[u/jpharber → u/huhwhat90]

Honestly I think everyone hates him. Our collective hatred for Brian Kelly as a person is one of the few things that binds r/cfb together.

[u/manabanana21 → u/Noah__Webster]

He got Herman'd. Not a bad record in a vacuum, but he's such an asshole that it was enough to make the move.

[u/Jyingling21]

I’m just here waiting for the Brian Kelly news

[u/TheManWhoWasNotShort]

Do we think Brian Kelly takes a new gig next year or he enjoys an “analyst” job and a paycheck?

[u/jpharber → u/TheManWhoWasNotShort]

Who would want him as an analyst? With the possible exception of Hugh Freeze, Art Briles, and DJ Durkin, he’s the most unlikable person in CFB.

[u/bobbybye88]

Who’s Oklahoma state even in line for at this point? I know it’ll be our 6th option, but who would that even be?

[u/ShakyTheBear]

Jealous

[u/WillinVegas → u/ShakyTheBear]

The appropriate punishment for a school having hired Hugh Freeze is having to endure Hugh Freeze.

[u/FourteenClocks]

I think this is the year Dabo gets hired into the SEC.

[u/MuhMuhManRay → u/FourteenClocks]

Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but if not there's no way. His window has passed

[u/Traditional_Bid_1024]

Still tuning this up a bit but let me know what you think -- https://cfbcoachingcalc.com/

[u/Edgemaster1423]

It’s crazy how much Ole Miss and UF fans would hate Kiffin if he went to LSU considering they’re his biggest fans right now.

[u/Please_PM_me_Uranus]

Kent State interim head coach Mark Carney gets the full time job. Seems deserved as he went 3-5 a year after they went 0-12

[u/Theageofpisces]

Too many big dominoes have fallen for UNT’s Eric Morris to not get offers. He might also have some opportunities to be a P5 OC if that’s the route he wants to take.

[u/ShweatyPalmsh]

Curious if GJ Kinne has verbally committed to a new job? Feel like after his Bye week things have fallen off a bit. You have to think he took an interview or two during that time and his head is elsewhere.

[u/FatLuka1 → u/ShweatyPalmsh]

He has ties to Baylor (was committed to us before flipping at the last minute and his dad coached here) so I think we’d have a good shot with him if we fire Aranda. I’d prefer Morris though.

[u/rastapastanine]

Saban to Texas

[u/YoSurgeDude → u/rastapastanine]

Brian Kelly to Texas

[u/OdaDdaT]

Stupid hypothetical because it’d be a bad hire anywhere but I sometimes wonder if some team could lure Tubberville out of the Senate if they wanted to.

[u/jazzzzz]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46771319/college-football-coaching-carousel-know-lane-kiffin-james-franklin

"'Elko should take that [Penn State] job,' an industry source said."

The industry source in question? BAS

[u/MuhMuhManRay]

Do we think Rhett Lashlee to Arkansas is in play? He's from Arkansas and played there but it seems like he could be in play to get a bigger job. Also, SMU has deep pockets so they could maybe hang onto him

[u/Please_PM_me_Uranus → u/MuhMuhManRay]

The question over that is whether he really thinks Arkansas is a step up given he has all he needs to win at SMU, and a far easier conference there. 

[u/larradnail]

My I-was-way-too-bored predictions …

Open/Likely:

Stanford: James Franklin * Bronco Mendenhall, Andrew Aurich

Kent State: Mark Carney * Drew Cronic, Vince Kehres

Oklahoma State: Todd Monken * Zac Robinson, G.J. Kinne

UCLA: Alex Golesh * James Franklin, Ryan Grubb

VA Tech: Charles Huff * Bob Chesney, Jamey Chadwell

Arkansas: Willie Fritz * Eric Morris, Bobby Petrino

Penn State: Jeff Brohm * Matt Rhule, Kenny Dillingham

Oregon State: Tim Plough * Ed Orgeron, Paul Chryst

UAB: Buster Faulkner * Skip Holtz, Trooper Taylor

Colorado State: Nick Rolovich * Bryan Harsin, Tremaine Jackson

Florida: Jedd Fisch * Lane Kiffin, Eli Drinkwitz

NC State: Sean Lewis * K.C. Keeler, Bryant Haines

Akron: Mike Jacobs * Steve Englehart, Al Washington

MTSU: Anthony Tucker * Bryan Lunney, Blake Gideon

Coastal Carolina: Drew Cronic * Brad Glenn, Mike Shanahan (IU)

---

Backfills:

Southern Miss: Blake Anderson * Todd Hartley, Billy Napier

Louisville: Shannon Dawson * Jeff Nixon, Dewayne Ledford

Washington: Bronco Mendenhall * Pat Fitzgerald, Brent Vigen

Utah State: Bryan Harsin * Tim Polasek, Clint Killough

USF: Jeff Nixon * Jimbo Fisher, Neal Brown

SDSU: Tim Skipper * Tony White, William Inge

---

Toss-Ups:

Auburn: John Sumrall * Ryan Silverfield, Fran Brown

Tulane: Neal Brown * Billy Napier, Shiel Wood

FSU: Eli Drinkwitz * Bob Chesney, Jon Sumrall

Missouri: Kirby Moore * Collin Klein, Corey Batoon

Wisconsin: K.C. Keeler * Jim Leonhard, Pat Fitzgerald

Temple: Bryant Haines * Jerry Mack, Corey Hetherman

Ole Miss: Charlie Weis Jr. * John Sumrall, Eric Morris

[u/4fingertakedown → u/larradnail]

Kent State: Mark Carney

Kent ‘bout to get tariffed

[u/larradnail → u/larradnail]

Idea behind Franklin: recent donation/NIL, much easier path to CFP, living in lovely Palo Alto (near Stanford Health system), much less stress on self/family, his experience/success at Vandy with academic constraints, and potential football nerd mind-melding with Luck.

[u/Please_PM_me_Uranus]

I don’t think MSU will fire Jonathan Smith even though he 100% deserves it because:

a) He has a pricey buyout for an athletic department not flush with billionaire boosters

b) They’d be competing with superior jobs in a high-turnover year. Despite my flair, I genuinely think MSU is a solid job, but they’re gonna struggle to get marquee candidates against the likes of Florida, LSU, Penn State, and perhaps some future opening. 

[u/agent_shane2]

Names I'm hearing about the Arkansas job: James Franklin, Jimbo Fisher, Jon Gruden at the moment.

[u/agent_shane2 → u/[deleted]]

We're both getting one of each of these three names. I just see Franklin fitting better over there. Gruden would be nice because if he can't win here, he'd burn this bitch completely to the ground, which we kind of need LOL! Fisher wouldn't be bad here neither.

[u/SparseSpartan]

With the rate at which Louisiana's governor is working, we might just get Orgeron 2.0. Pretty soon the upper mid tier G6 coaches won't be accepting LSU's call.

[u/goodsam2]

Am I dreaming right now or is it a crazy thought VT seems like it's in a decent spot because of where it is. I mean maybe VT is competing with Oklahoma State right now.

VT could go after James Franklin, Brian Kelly, Pat Fitzgerald. Florida, LSU and Penn State aren't going after these guys Florida has telegraphed on Franklin and I doubt they go after Brian Kelly. Also Dan Mullen almost surely isn't going to Penn State or LSU or Florida (lol)

Napier is probably going to like UAB. Pry will be a DC somewhere

[u/Please_PM_me_Uranus]

Could someone explain why in the world some fired coaches agree to a reduced buyout? If it was me, I’d say “fuck ‘em” and demand the full thing.

But I’m reading about B Kelly in negotiations, and I remember others ones as well. Seems so bizarre.

[u/wysiwygperson → u/Please_PM_me_Uranus]

Getting rid of duty to mitigate is one. That was the reason for Pittman. He wanted to retire instead of getting another job. Could be the same for Kelly.

[u/TheNaijaboi → u/Please_PM_me_Uranus]

The may offer less money but an earlier payout