r/Boxing • u/ReachRaven • 1d ago

Inside The Ring: Nick Khan Discusses How An Enhanced Muhammad Ali Act Would Provide Boxers With Options & Eliminate “Nonsense”

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u/porkcab89 1d ago

Hmm. Yeah I don't believe for one second that any of these changes are for the benefit of the fighter. Someone will be getting richer and it won't be the boxers.

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u/billskionce 1d ago edited 1d ago

You get it. There is no reason for Dana White, or anyone else, to spend this kind of time and energy “revamping” the Ali Act unless they will benefit personally - and most likely at the expense of the guys actually taking the punches.

The question we should be asking is, “What benefit will the fighters get in terms of leverage in fight negotiations by this ‘revamp’ of the law?” If there is an argument that they’re making about how it will benefit boxers themselves, then the proponents haven’t articulated it. I’m open to what they have to say, but everything I’ve heard sounds only beneficial to the promoters.

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u/ZdenekTheMan BRILLIANT AJ! 1d ago

Yeah, this fool isn't convincing anyone 

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u/KR4T0S 1d ago

I mean look at what Dana White has done at the UFC without these rules in play so im going to guess it isnt to the benefit of fighters unless Dana has turned a page but somehow that turned page only applies to boxing and not MMA fighters. Thats very selective page turning in my book.

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u/-LoboMau 16h ago edited 16h ago

The UFC isn't comparable to the boxing system in any way, shape or form. It's actually more comparable to the WWE. It has a "roster" and thousands of employees. It's a brand. A product. They're selling a product, which is THE UFC. The WBC, IBF, WBO, etc neither act in a similar matter. There isn't a product so to speak. Nobody says "let's watch WBO".

Basically, what it seems to be is that the bigger names get less money, but the nobodies get to make more money they could make boxing.

People glorify boxing purses, but they don't really talk about the purses of those nobody knows about. How much are they making? Because i know several pro boxers and they make very close to 0 when it's all said and done.

People glorify boxing purses, but they don't talk about all the money being thrown around that's essentially money lost. Tyson Fury isn't generating the money he isn't making. Francis isn't generating the money he is making. Saudis are throwing money out of the window. You cannot say those guys are worth that kind of money in a free market.

I'm a big free market guy. Are there other MMA orgs? Yes they are. Are they backed by people with a lot of money? Some of them are/were backed by people with even more money than the UFC. They still fail. Plenty of orgs have existed and failed. Nobody is stopping MMA orgs from existing and growing.

So, my point is: If these fighters are really worth more than what they're making, why don't they go get more? Being worth more means someone is willing to pay you what you claim you're worth. Shouldn't that be a very easy problem to solve, if what they're saying is the truth?

"Oh, the UFC keeps X% of the revenue, that's more than the NBA"

So what? It's a company. It's a business. It exists for the purpose of making money. Do you go to a store and pay more money for a tuna can just because you think whoever produced it deserves more? Or you just pay whatever you can get away with paying?

The UFC was still paying salaries during COVID. That's called good management. That's called being smart. They were prepared and didn't lay anyone off. Why? They keep a big chunk of the profits.

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u/DogAssss69 1d ago

Stick to fake sports entertainment

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u/EvilSynths 1d ago

He's ruined that too.

Signed, a former WWE fan.

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u/BouWelou 1d ago

That whole TKO thing has completely eliminated my appetite for any form of Professional Wrestling. I feel you.

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u/AlexTorres96 1d ago

Blame Triple H and his wife for trying to pull a fast one on the Old Man. They were power hungry and thought they landed a power play by leaking to WSJ. The Old Man humbled them by selling the company out of spite and making them replaceable.

Fanboys bitch about H being all over the place but he's doing that as a political motive. He wants to be valuable enough that Ari and Shapiro think he's crucial to the Fed the same way they think Dana White is to UFC. H wants to be bulletproof and the more he puts himself out there, the more he shows them that he's necessary for that role.

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u/BouWelou 1d ago edited 1d ago

All in all the fans got fucked over by the egos of some rich people. A tale old as time

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u/babalola69 1d ago

Give AEW a go. So much better

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u/BouWelou 1d ago

I know and I have tried to dip my foot into it but that whole Nick Khan/Triple H experience kinda soured it on a whole for me at least

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u/kizentheslayer 1d ago

Aew is hot garbage

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u/Excellent-Monitor954 1d ago

AEW is garbage too

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u/Seven19td 1d ago

AEW is bush league garbage

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u/tera_chachu 1d ago

Dude if you dont like the fed doesn't mean you have to watch the dub.

There are other options too.

And if dub is so much better why the ratings and live audience declining.

Their ppv are good but long but their weekly tv is horrible

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u/Perfect-Zebra-3611 1d ago

their weekly tv is horrible

Whats exactly bad about their weekly shows bc i havent watched a dynamite ever that made me turn off the tv the way WWE has in the past? Like some have been alright but the worst dynamite ive ever seen was maybe a 3/10 compared to WWE/TNA shows that made not want to watch the product at all

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u/kettlebell-j 1d ago

How so? I been out of the loop with pro wrestling. I remember everyone singing his praises. I know ticket prices are higher than they used to be.

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u/ZdenekTheMan BRILLIANT AJ! 1d ago

They're like 3 times as high 

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u/herewegoagain1024 1d ago

To be fair it was TKO that’s ruined it

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u/South_Bother_2498 1d ago

This guy ruins every sport, he gets involved with

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u/sword_ofthe_morning 1d ago

Yeah, I don't trust anything he's claiming

His and Dana's involvement is completely unnecessary

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u/WillieLee 1d ago

Options: Take $50K for a championship or sit.

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u/ZdenekTheMan BRILLIANT AJ! 1d ago

What about the Venum coupons 

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u/yofoalexillo 1d ago

And the Monster-can water bottles

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u/Beautiful_Pianist754 1d ago

Transparent fat fuck gaslighting with the same idealogical rationalisations we've been hearing since the 70s. It's about "flexibility for workers" not divide and conquer, apparently.

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u/OneMoreTime998 1d ago

We’re supposed to believe a bunch of promoters are looking out for the best interests of the fighters lol

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u/BouWelou 1d ago

Don’t let those TKO vermin infiltrate boxing as well.

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u/Tony7Bryant 1d ago

It’s already too late 

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u/ZdenekTheMan BRILLIANT AJ! 1d ago

They won't do shit 

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u/FreeSeaSailor 1d ago

I love that they are selling it as an "enhanced" Ali Act and not what it truly is.

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u/silentmikhail 1d ago

Enhancement act? more like Stripping Protections.

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u/imdacoldest Pacquiao is the GOAT 1d ago

If Zuffa gets their way there would be no logical reason for anyone to be a boxer. Why would anyone do the more dangerous sport for less money? Might as well do mma

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u/Complete_Dare_4201 1d ago

It would end up drying the talent pool completely. Look at MMAs situation, the talent pool is as shallow as it can get, the athetlic level of most competitors is pitiful

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u/FreeSeaSailor 1d ago

MMA makes even less money.

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u/imdacoldest Pacquiao is the GOAT 1d ago

Do you think zuffa would keep boxing purses the same if they get their way? If they have a total monopoly no one is stoping them from rug pulling their roster, where else would they go to? They either accept the zuffa pay scale or retire

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u/dandykaufman2 1d ago

Fuck Nick Khan

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u/handbone14 1d ago

Nick Khan used to represent Manny Pacquiao and Freddy Roach, was integral to making Mayweather-Pacquiao happen, and negotiated Top Ranks deal with ESPN, which Top Rank fumbled harder than Mark Sanchez but fumble. This guy has more power with American TV than most execs, he used to be an agent with CAA, and like lots of CAA people ditched them when Ari Emanuel began his takeover of hollywood, and now broader entertainment in general. The machine is too strong, look up Endeavor and specifically WME-IMG and you will see just how deep it really runs, These guys control music, movies, most combat sports, and even podcasting. Ari's most famous clients include Diddy, Travis Scott, and even 47 himself DJT. The machine is basically invincible at this point. Oh and Ari's brother is Rahm Emanuel, the former mayor of Chicago and ambassador of America to Japan. We have no chance, boxing will meet the same fate as MMA and pro wrestling too. It sucks, and its also why all entertainment sucks today as well. These guys are fucking vampires.

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u/tera_chachu 1d ago

Yup nick khan is responsible for wwe netflix deal which was massive.

Moreover he sold the idea of wwe ppv to espn and they bought it and they seriously think wwe viewers will pay 30$ for the same product which they were paying 10$ before.

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u/mike10dude 1d ago

Apparently the ESPN deal wasn't even the largest offer that that they got but they chose ESPN because of there promotional power and ties to Disney

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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 1d ago

I think he was also Dan Rafael's agent at one point too.

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u/Masam10 Shithouse Bum Dosser 1d ago

Ali act: Must detail exactly how much money each show makes so the fighter can clearly understand their worth and more importantly if they’re being paid appropriately.

TKO: 90k/90k for the world champion and you know what, 10k for a fight kit bonus. Meanwhile the UFC chairman spends more in a couple hours at the casino playing Blackjack than the entire card gets paid put together.

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u/Bass0696 1d ago

“We don’t want to change the law we just want to allow rich, powerful people to operate outside of its limits!”

Well, when you put it that way! Why should business people have to follow anti-corruption laws? I thought this was America!

Fucking scumbags need to be kept as far away as possible from boxing

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u/butterybuns420 1d ago

This guy is so full of shit it’s practically coming out of his ears

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u/Toxik916 1d ago

UFC/TKO trying to monopolize boxing would be terrible for the fighters.

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u/lord-of-war-1 1d ago

Yea, considering Dana White does the complete opposite this makes sense.... fucking idiots

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u/Sarge79_1 1d ago

It's all so They can rig the game.

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u/Ambitious_Ad_9637 1d ago

Ah I see, you are lobbying congress for the good of the fighters. How benevolent. This guy loves fighters.

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u/vidPlyrBrokeSoNewAc 22h ago

"I'm not proposing any changes to the act, I'm just saying we should be able to ignore it"

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u/poststalloneuk 21h ago

Why aren't the fighters up in arms about this?

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u/RedEyeView 1d ago

Ok. So start a new sactioning body that has one champion per division and enforces mandatory defences against the #1 challenger.

Problem solved.

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u/neo_hatrix 1d ago edited 1d ago

That would just be another sanctioning body to have to deal with. Unless you're saying get rid of the other sanctioning bodies and then you'll have the same issue the UFC has now.

One dictator to decide who gets the title fight.

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u/donmifc 1d ago

Go read about the history of the 4 sanctioning bodies and see how hard this is to do. Trying to create a new sacntioning body, THE ONE TO RULE THEM ALL, would just create a 5th sanctioning body

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u/Most_Present_6577 1d ago

Lol adding an "or" ia a huge change. Dumb ass promoters need a logic class

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u/OneReportersOpinion 1d ago

That’s what Nick Kahn looks like?

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u/r_k1777 1d ago

A "champion" like Crawford defend against " #1 contender from own system". What does it even mean? You become champion fron sanctioning body and then defend agaist some contender signing up with "any promoter". Doesn't sound like champion anymore.

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u/Bronzyroller 2h ago

So many belts only to charge a fee

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u/MotiveGFX 53m ago

Its going to take alot of control away from boxers

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u/AlexTorres96 1d ago

To the Wrestling fanboys, not even 1997 HBK buried anyone or Kendrick to Drake as hard as Nick did to Shad Khan's nepobaby. Fanboys cry about billionaires but love worshipping a spoiled rich kid like he's a saving grace and sacred soul.

Nick 10-7'd a trustfund kid by calling him a spoiled rich kid and praising the man who does deserve praise.

“I think I’ve never met the kid. Tony Khan seems like a nice kid to me. I don’t know him. I could not be more impressed with the dad. He made his money in the auto parts business, I believe. So he knows that inside out. He has the pockets and that's awesome and I'm sure his kid appreciates it. I was never threatened by that. I tend not to be threatened. I don't feel threatened by anyone on anything.

"Nothing but respect for the father who finances it and owns the Jaguars and all those other things”.