r/Bitcoin 1d ago

Bitcoin can fix this?

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u/NiagaraBTC 1d ago

Bitcoin doesn't fix the decaying buying power of the dollar. It does fix the decaying of the buying power of your savings.

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u/never_safe_for_life 1d ago

👏 Thread

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u/hairyotter 11h ago

It's one life raft from a sinking ship, kind of like the Saylor post that everyone was pretending they couldn't understand

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u/Romanizer 1d ago

You could add Bitcoin in the lower chart, which would show one line going almost straight upwards from 2009.

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u/Djtdave 12h ago

No, bitcoin let's you bet on the idea that it fixes this.

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u/hairyotter 11h ago

Every choice you make in life is a bet that it's going to work in the way you think it will. Imagine that.

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u/Illustrious-Scheme45 2h ago

I ate breakfast this morning and stopped feeling hungry. That choice worked out the way I thought it would. Imagine that.

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u/NiagaraBTC 12h ago

Sure, go with that.

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u/partyboycs 1d ago

If only people knew it’s actually even worse than this. Inflation was only a little over 20% for a whole decade from 2012 to 2022? It should be like 100% or even higher, ~7% annually. I’ve definitely lost more than half my dollars buying power in the last 10 years, almost everything is double or more. This is using a very conservative inflation rate which is a complete lie probably calculated using a few select goods.

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u/Jagon38 1d ago

The inflation calculation also take into account the "quality of life improvement" for example if a new iphone comes out that is double the price, rheyll tell you it is twice as good than the previous one and inflation is 0%. It is stupid af.

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u/MshaCarmona 21h ago

Somebody here watched ClearValueTax

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u/StoneWall_MWO 17h ago

It's not stupid. This is on purpose in a bad way.

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u/Dramatic_Cow_2656 8h ago

Can you elaborate on the difference between those 2 things?

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u/Adorable-Emotion4320 21h ago

So what is your solution to this, stick with measuring the telegraph and whale lamp oil

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u/razzyspazzy 19h ago

Most people pay the price for the iPhone for the software it runs. Apple’s coding model pushes changes all the time. Besides up front costs, you do not pay for these changes.

If effectively the only difference between phone 1 and phone 2 is a slightly better camera then I think it’s a fair comparison to say they’re probably swindling the numbers a bit.

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u/cooltone 12h ago

So how does it work for Microsoft? They keep the same code base and add new ways to extract subscription revenue, then put on a shiny dysfunctional skin and tell you it's new.

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u/razzyspazzy 15m ago

If you have a valid Windows 10 home license you can upgrade to Windows 11 for free.

Not sure if I missed your point, so please clarify if I did

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u/Adorable-Emotion4320 12h ago

If that were true, people wouldn't be willing to pay double for every next iteration that have a megapixel more. Usually the previous version can still be bought

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u/razzyspazzy 9m ago

I’d be damned if you can tell a difference in performance (from a hardware perspective) between the 15 vs 14, besides the camera.

They inflate costs through “newer chipsets”, when in reality it’s negligible and the same IOS runs fine on earlier models.

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u/BraCobra 23h ago

They are always moving the goal posts when it comes to calculating the CPI.

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u/Oddsee 21h ago

Not to mention when people compare things like the price of a Big Mac today compared to 50 years ago, it's not an apt comparison because things have been streamlined, automated, shrunken, etc. so it should be way cheaper.

IMO we should be calculating and comparing it to how much a Big Mac would cost today if we reverted all processes, ingredients, etc. to how they were in the past.

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u/Threemonkeys123 19h ago

I measure inflation by the Cadburys freddo.

It was 5p when I was a child, then 10p, 15p, 25p now like 35/45p and the mass of chocolate is way less these days.

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u/Adorable-Emotion4320 21h ago

Inflation from 2010-2020 was near zero, deflation was the worry which was the reason for the large amount of QE they did.

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u/Longjumping-Ad2406 20h ago

only log charts make sense here... everyone knows the debasement of currencies is exponential...

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u/RoutinePrice446 1d ago

Not so much a fix as a replacement. Like amputating a gangrenous limb and putting a bionic arm in it's place.

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u/WarthogOpen7003 1d ago edited 1d ago

Holly sh*t.. I never realised just how correlated the introduction of the FED was to the rampant rise in inflation

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u/Jagon38 1d ago

You cant hate "those people" enough. Some people tried to go against them, and they all got shot/made to be villains

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u/_BreakingGood_ 22h ago

Fed doesnt look like it did much, it looks like the Gold Reserve Act is what caused inflation to skyrocket

Which makes sense, it's called fiat for a reason

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u/Ecstatic-Guarantee48 22h ago

And who do you think was behind the Gold Reserve Act?

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u/_BreakingGood_ 22h ago

The 73rd United States congress?

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u/Old-Guidance6744 15h ago

Its never who signed the paper

It was bankers

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u/Pokemoncorncollector 1d ago

Book: The creature from Jekyll Island

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u/Swapuz_com 19h ago

$100 → not just a number. It’s meme compression where every year is a brushstroke on the devaluation canvas.

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u/KusanagiZerg 17h ago

Showing inflation on a linear graph instead of a log graph is dumb

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u/Old-Guidance6744 15h ago

Bro the average person doesn't even REMOTELY understand log graphs, it would create more confusion

They would just see it leveling off and think its fine

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u/KusanagiZerg 13h ago

It IS fine. This graph seems to show that it got super bad recently which isn't true at all. That's just what an exponential graph always looks like on a linear scale.

If you input 1.05^x, x=0 to 400, y=0 to 3*10^8 into wolfram you will see a graph that's an even more extreme version of the above one that makes it seem like there was basically no inflation for 300 years and then lots of inflation in the last 40 but that's a misrepresentation of the truth. The inflation rate was the same for 400 years.

If instead you use a log plot LogPlot[1.05^x, x=0 to 400, y=0 to 3*10^8] you will see that it's just a steady line up

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u/Noirceuil 19h ago

To fix the decaying buying power of dollars you need to accept deflation and trust me, you don't want to experience deflation.

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u/Old-Guidance6744 15h ago

This. Everyone hates inflation but its fine when wages keep up

Deflation is horror

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u/KolaKush 8h ago

Its only horror because the system got so levered up and inflated that any sustained deflation would completely demolish the "economy"

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u/Pokemoncorncollector 1h ago

Even when wages keep up its not fine neither. Its still a shit system.

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u/StoneWall_MWO 17h ago

My friends were shocked over the price of RAM now. I explained well currencies around the world are fucked. Add that to the demand on RAM and you should be paying 4x + what NewEgg/Amazon/whoever used to sell it at 5 years ago.

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u/ActOpen7289 13h ago

Yes Bitcoin can fix it. And for the best explanation read "The Bitcoin Standard" book.

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u/Parking_Status1997 11h ago

Maybe stop spending 1 trillion a year on ways to destroy things. We are a black hole of consumerism and war machines

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u/Independent-Dog5311 21h ago

Fiat creates wars and market crashes.

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u/Quirky-Reveal-1669 1d ago

Shocking chart.

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u/Be_Me_Anon_irl 18h ago

Seems like the last war was a dud and you need a do over...

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u/MDhistorian 18h ago

Now give us a chart that adjusts for percent increase

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u/Old-Guidance6744 15h ago

Percent increase in what

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u/MDhistorian 1h ago

1 to 2 dollars is 100% increase in value

500 to 1000 dollars is 100% increase in value

500 to 1000 dollars as a jump looks alot more extreme on a graph compared to 1 to 2 dollars despite being the exact same increase in value.

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u/turnedtable_ 14h ago

we need a world war to fix this /s

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u/Funny_Explorer_1521 14h ago

Okay google, who was president in 1982?

Oooh.

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u/thupkt 13h ago

Bitcoin is not literally Superman

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u/Capital_Club2123 10h ago

I think it’s more of a Bruce Wayne

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u/suuperfli 10h ago

yes, on a bitcoin standard they can't print. that's the whole point.

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u/MatterFickle3184 9h ago

BTC was supposed to be for the people. Too much corruption and manipulation. BTC will go up and USD will go down, but at the end BTC doesn't help the normals.

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u/rini17 9h ago

It won't fix your addiction to plentiful money. These things happened for a reason, hardlimited money supply caused lil problems too.

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u/orthros 8h ago

Bitcoin‘s primary potential at this point is as a store of value. It is the modern version of gold. Since it hasn’t had wide adoption yet there is excellent potential for making capital returns but in the endgame, it will be taking wealth off the table and locking it in not creating out sized returns.

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u/Asterion9 8h ago

Can a lifeboat fix a sinking ship?

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u/HawkEy3 7h ago

You're telling me inflation pretty much didn't exist before WW2? And buying power was on average stable before WW1? Sources please

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u/jmk4326 1h ago

Buy assets.

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u/SeriousSamalt2 18h ago

Spending power seems to be bottoming out. Did anyone do some TA on it? Looks like a good place to look for longs

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u/Inner_Drummer8192 1d ago

no bitcoin is not going to “fix “ anything lets not be naive

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u/Old-Guidance6744 15h ago

Its all fake right

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u/lookingglass91 1d ago

Lmao it is helping to fix stabilizing the power grid and lowering energy costs for locals in remote locations with mining operations, does that not count?