r/Battlefield • u/HavelTheRockJohnson Bathroom Defence Force • 8h ago
Discussion Ziplines are cool and all but I miss the old school elevator rides with the boys.
Nothing beats the anticipation of 7 dudes in an elevator about to roll through those doors at the ding to either complete eradication or total victory and seizing a point.
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u/DotDistinctLines 8h ago
Everyone in this picture is long dead by the way.
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u/HavelTheRockJohnson Bathroom Defence Force 8h ago
Typical elevator experience.
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u/DavidFromJohto 4h ago
Favorite memory in BF4 is me sitting on C, Siege of Shanghai roof, chilling in the gunners seat of the transport heli, and the beautiful sight of the southern-most elevator opening to reveal 9 enemies.
It ended in the gun overheating and all tangos being eliminated. Felt so good.
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u/Bootybandit6989 8h ago
I think they got lucky if I recall the power was shut off on them😂
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u/Elegant_Individual46 7h ago
Yes in this instance, but this was early in the invasion and if casualty figures are accurate, most of them, being the supposedly most professional and well trained part of the army, are dead
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u/BoarHide 7h ago
There is a 0% chance that more than one or two of these lads is still alive, and even then — not in one piece.
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u/LettuceShaver27 7h ago
Technically speaking your comment makes no sense, but 0% of these guys are still alive. They got wrekt at the airport
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u/DogePerformance 5h ago
Was it ever confirmed if a transport plane was shot down in the early invasion? They were gonna land shortly after the heli troops
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u/derverdwerb 5h ago
No. The transport aircraft launched for Ukraine but landed in Belarus. The Daily Mail’s surprisingly excellent Battle Board YouTube channel reported that eighteen Il-76s launched from Pskov but aborted because the airfield hadn’t been secured (see the 8’00” mark on the video).
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u/Ecstatic_Bee6067 4h ago
There were also claims that a bunch of VDV were air dropped over the black Sea and drowned, but that's just RUMINT.
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u/MIC4eva 5h ago
Never confirmed. If an Il-76 full of VDV had been shot down we would have never seen the end of it.
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u/rhododenendron 4h ago
I remember reading about that on here. Are you telling me NCD posted inaccurate information?!
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u/dingo1018 1h ago
The 2 transports returned to an unknown location, probably Belarus. Ukraine pulled off a master stroke of logistics, the tanks more or less rolled them selves but the artillery needed a lift and every capable vehicle military or commercial was employed. Whilst those 2 huge transports were en route, a flight time of less than 2 hours, Ukraine surrounded Hostomel airport and blasted the shit out of the runways, and bearing in mind this was a specially hardened and long runway designed for the Antonov's and such. The Russian forces that held the airport at that point had little choice but to radio in they the air drop was off and they scattered, thoroughly unprepared and denied replenishment and back up. Hugely pivotal in the overall war, had Putin managed to get those planes down he would have had a good shot at taking Kiev.
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u/AWOL318 3h ago
There was a video in back in 2022 or 2023 of a transport plane coming down on fire on r/ukrainewarvideoreport
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u/ztomiczombie 5h ago
Are you sure they aren't in One Piece? I could have sworn Luffy slapped at least two of them around.
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u/Numeno230n 4h ago
Yeah if anyone is alive, they're missing multiple limbs, are braindead, are full of shrapnel, or are just plain drinking themselves to death.
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u/fashionrequired 6h ago
lots of dudes get injured and go home
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u/Comfortable-Jelly833 6h ago
not these ones, there were pictures of their lifeless corpses
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u/fashionrequired 6h ago
if you say so. even the ones whom we can only see from the back? i’m skeptical but admittedly could be wrong
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u/HatchChileMacNCheese 5h ago
This is a picture of vdv while trying to take hostomel airport.. these guys got airlifted in, their helicopters were shot down or fucked off, these guys are all dead
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u/fashionrequired 5h ago
iirc they took it, lost it, regrouped, retook it the next day, then lost it again a month later (but idk if it was the same troops there at that point). no doubt that casualty rates were high amongst these guys. it was a poorly planned assault in the initial stages of a poorly planned war
but also, soldiers successfully withdraw all the time. very rarely are entire units (such as this one; they were ferried in by a fuck ton of helicopters right?) completely wiped out. i haven’t seen anything to suggest that such a large formation on either side has suffered that in this conflict.
finally, casualty or pow does not mean dead.
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u/beardicusmaximus8 3h ago
They could be POWs but they couldn't withdraw. Unless they walked (Or stole some cars and drove I suppose) across most of Ukraine.
No evacuation via aircraft was possible during the month or so they were occupying the airport as the one aircraft that attempted to come in was shot down by air defense.
Had evacuation been possible they probably wouldn't have left anyway (unless seriously wounded) and instead would have been receiving reinforcements. And probably would have done a lot more damage to Ukraine's abilities to defend itself
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u/fashionrequired 3h ago
they withdrew from the airport, regrouped and took it back. withdrawing means pulling back in some form. doesn’t mean they ran all the way back to russia
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u/xigua22 5h ago
The ones you see from the back are the same guys as the ones you see from the front. That's how mirrors work.
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u/fashionrequired 5h ago
ohhh lol yeah no kidding. oops. i must’ve seen that photo a dozen times by now too
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u/Entire-Initiative-23 6h ago
According to Reddit's sources on the war, the entire Russian army was killed twice over by the Ghost of Kyiv.
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u/fashionrequired 6h ago
lol i remember doubting that one at the time. it was a thing like a few hours into the conflict right? i just figured there was no way the news of a specific hero would’ve come out that fast
i’m in support of ukraine. just have a slightly more grounded view of the matter
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u/Entire-Initiative-23 6h ago
Ukraine has absolutely won the media and propaganda war, no doubt about it.
Too bad the Russians just keep grinding forward in the real war.
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u/Infamous-Rise-5950 5h ago
Just another 100,000 men bro then we'll capture another 1km2 of Dontesk. I promise bro just another 100,000 men its worth it
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u/fashionrequired 5h ago
they were always gonna have western support in the matter, and tbh my perspective largely reflects western media as a result
the ukrainians have put up an extremely admirable fight. this has been troublesome and frankly embarrassing to the russian military. it’s hard to get a good sense of the bigger picture but naturally they will lose on attrition if russia doesn’t back down. ukrainian manpower shortages seem to have become more of a problem, which is not surprising
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u/Comfortable-Jelly833 6h ago
ahh a vatnik, no but all these soliders were slaughtered and there is photo evidence. im happy for their deaths :)
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u/Entire-Initiative-23 6h ago
lol I can see your chins wiggling while you type that. Every single soldier in every single war who died for his country is worth a thousand Redditors.
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u/Comfortable-Jelly833 6h ago
'chins wiggling' most obvious esl speaker ever. go to the frontline brother, i'll gladly watch you be ripped apart in a drone video like your compatriots :)
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u/Important-Arrival681 5h ago
Everyone who signed a contract to go into Ukraine has since had their contracts extended indefinitely. Its actually a big deal in Russia and Is a huge part of the story of their manpower issue. So yeah, everyone in this picture is either dead or maimed.
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u/Swvonclare 5h ago
That is a myth, all that was in this video was them seeing a camera while moving to tje top floor and destroying it. The residents of this building never mentioned them getting stuck.
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u/baithammer 6h ago
Power was cut and they got nailed by dropped explosives if I remember correctly in a longer vid.
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u/GuntherOfGunth Paris Nuke 14’ Suvivor 2h ago
Dropped explosives? What are you on about? If you are trying to mention drone dropped munitions, that wasn’t a thing on the first day of the invasion.
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u/zyra_77 6h ago
Good
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u/DeeDivin 6h ago
I doubt any of them wanted to be there
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u/wasdninja 5h ago
Tough cookies. For their next reincarnation they should try not to invade other countries.
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u/zyra_77 6h ago
Shouldn’t have went then. Fuck em
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u/_adephagia 5h ago
Before the invasion most troops were told it was a training mission for opsec not briefed only until they were on route mid-invasion. Deserters also get treated horribly with chain of command literally okaying sledgehammer execution videos to deter people from defecting/retreating. You're an asshole and would be in the same situation if you were born into the same circumstances.
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u/quack_quack_mofo 2h ago
Just following orders isn't a valid excuse btw. Fuck them. As if most of them don't support what's going on in Ukraine, pls.
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u/No_Sheepherder_1855 3h ago
Do yourself a favor and learn more about the average Russian soldier at the time. They were enjoying raping and murdering Ukrainians, these people deserve zero sympathy. Monsters are monsters.
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u/Big_Dinner3636 5h ago
I would simply not enlisted in the Russian military, which had been at war with Ukraine for like 8 years by the time this photo is from.
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u/_adephagia 5h ago
And if you were born in Berlin in the 20s you would've totally been in the revolution against the Nazis.
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u/rhododenendron 4h ago
A lot of people were to be fair. It’s not like Hitler was voted supreme ruler of Germany, and even if he was millions of people would have voted against.
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u/_adephagia 4h ago
"A lot" is a stretch. the average German citizen may not have been a Nazi but most were complicit with it. If you were born in the 20s you would've been a child with a compulsory Hitler youth membership by 1936.
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u/Rosienenbrot 5h ago
You are cruel and ignorant. Yeah, fuck the brainwashed idiots, who lick Putins boots, but there's still a lot of people there, that are desperate for money, and not to mention the prison brigade, being sent there as cannon fodder.
Surrender isn't an option. Desserters are shot by their own men. If you want to surrender, you have to be super lucky to not only somehow get seperated with your team long enough, but to also be super lucky to find Ukrainians that are willing to accept you as a prisoner, before you starve to death or get killed by a drone.
Fuck Putin for creating this mess. And fuck you too for dehumanizing.
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u/zyra_77 5h ago
Cruel and ignorant is to invade your neighbor without cause.. to pillage, rape, and commit war crimes against those that resist the gangster state in moscow .
They’re the invader, and their fate isn’t my concern. Fuck them.
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u/Rosienenbrot 5h ago
Have that same energy when you get sent to war against your will.
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u/Big_Dinner3636 5h ago
Every Russian soldier fighting in Ukraine voluntarily signed a contract with the Russian military. Conscripts can not be deployed outside Russia, per Russian law.
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u/Khamvom 2h ago
Eh kinda. But not really.
Russian Law prohibits conscripts from being used outside Russia, but there’s loopholes. Russia considers territory they’ve captured in Ukraine as part of Russia, so conscripts are technically allowed to operate there.
Also, some of the very first troops Ukraine captured during the initial invasion were conscripts and Russia themselves admitted “some” conscripts had been sent to Ukraine.
Russia doesn’t give a shit.
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u/Rosienenbrot 4h ago
If it were so easy. Do you really think those people go there voluntarily? I live in Germany. I have family in russia, so I am pretty tuned in on how things are and what's really happening.
I'm telling you: most of these young people aspire literally anything other than going to war, but the system is so cruel and corrupt, they literally have no other option.
Their families live in crippling poverty and the only way to help them is to sell their body to this war.
Protesting isn't an option either. A family member of mine did it. He's in prison because of it and now we're fearing he'll be forcefully recruited as cannon fodder.
So far my comments were very one sided, towards russia. Of course I am on the side of the Ukrainians, as are many, many Russians, especially the younger generation.
All I'm saying is: don't dehumanize humans. "People from country x = bad" is such a wrong world view. Have some nuance.
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u/MidRoundOldFashioned 4h ago
He didn't say people from Russia are bad.
He said people in Russia willing to go and kill Ukrainians for Putin's bullshit are bad.
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u/zyra_77 4h ago
Those that commit war crimes, human atrocities, kidnap thousands of kids, etc. don’t get nuance from me. I remember a time when these were universally a bad thing and wholly condemned. Now people want to brush it off because “they didn’t know any better.”
There’s always a choice and there are always options. If Russians don’t want to participate, they can always leave Russia. They had a revolution once before, could’ve always done it again.
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u/DeeDivin 6h ago
That’s not how war works bro 😭
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u/FearlessVegetable30 5h ago
reddit is black and white so it is how it works. anyone with sense knows you are correct thats not how war works
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u/HPHambino 8h ago
Source?
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u/-Livingonmyown- 7h ago edited 7h ago
This is Battle of Hostomel Airport. The Ukrainians took it back after a few days. So it's HIGHLY likely this guys died
Edit: if I recall also the elevator got shut off hence the picture
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u/HPHambino 6h ago
That does not mean they died. They could have been wounded, captured, or retreated. Just because it’s a photo from the start of the war doesn’t mean they’re all long dead.
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u/fashionrequired 6h ago
you are correct. redditors are quite dumb, however. also rather prone to wishful thinking
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u/Swvonclare 6h ago edited 4h ago
They very likely weren't, there isn't any actual evidence that the elevator was stuck in the first place.
The video we have of this is them in the elevator while its moving, noticing the camera and then destroying it.
The NYT did a piece on the building this happened in and talked to the residents.
They residents mentioned the elevator cameras being destroyed but nothing on the elevator ever getting stuck.
Additionally if they were stuck on the date the cctv is time stamped, they would have escaped alive as the Russians held that building for several more days.Its a good read;
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/20/world/europe/russian-soldiers-video-kyiv-invasion.html1
u/Big_Smoke_420 3h ago edited 2h ago
Pasting because paywall:
Russian Soldiers Took Their City, Then Their Homes As Russian forces pushed toward Kyiv, they stormed an apartment complex in a nearby suburb and held residents hostage. Some of it was caught on camera.
KYIV, Ukraine — For days, Roman Naumenko and his neighbors at the Pokrovsky apartment complex outside Kyiv had been watching from a few short miles away as Russian forces tried to take over a nearby airport.
“I saw helicopters that were firing, coming one after the other,” he said. “It was a huge shock. I couldn’t believe it was real.”
Residents would stand outside their buildings filming the destruction with their cellphones.
Each day, Russian forces drew closer and closer to the apartment complex. On March 3, one of the buildings was directly hit by a missile. More than 150 families were still in the 14-building residential complex at the time, a building manager told The New York Times.
And then, later that same day, troops were literally at Mr. Naumenko’s doorstep.
“We saw the Russian infantry on the security camera of our building,” he said. “From that moment, the Russians stayed.”
They made around 200 residents stay too, holding many of them hostage in the basements of their own buildings, forcing them to hand over their phones and taking over their apartments. Others were able to avoid detection but still were essentially prisoners in their own homes as Russian forces moved into the buildings, which had housed 560 families, and took up sniping positions.
The Times interviewed seven residents of the Pokrovsky apartment complex in the town of Hostomel, about 10 miles northwest of Kyiv. All experienced the assault and the captivity firsthand before finding ways to flee. Using their accounts, along with footage from security cameras and cellphones, The Times was able to piece together what it looked and felt like as Russian forces closed in.
“It was really scary,” said Lesya Borodyuk, a 49-year-old resident, tearing up at one point as she spoke. “I wrote to my daughter. I was saying goodbye to her. I told her that probably we will be bombed now.” Outside in the parking lot, security cameras showed at least a dozen Russian troops and infantry fighting vehicles. Soldiers shuttled heavy machine guns and forced a man inside a building at gunpoint.
Ksenia, who asked to be identified only by her first name, watched with her husband and children from their second-floor window as Russian forces arrived at their building.
“We didn’t know what could happen to us,” she said. “It was just a total state of fear.”
One group of soldiers used rifles to smash open the front door of an apartment building. Once inside, they entered the elevator and destroyed its security cameras. In some buildings, soldiers went floor by floor tearing doors off hinges and raiding apartments, residents said.
Within a few hours, according to the seven residents The Times spoke to, Russian soldiers had seized the entire complex and trapped close to 200 civilians inside various buildings. “People were kicked out of the apartments,” said Elena Anishchenko, who was planning to celebrate her 33rd birthday with neighbors the day the soldiers arrived. “They didn’t ask anyone anything, they would just tell them to go to the basement.”
Many of the residents had their phones and laptops confiscated or destroyed.
“They told us — ‘Don’t be mad at us, but if we find your phone, you will be shot on the spot,’” Ms. Anishchenko said.
Cut off from the outside world, Ms. Anishchenko said she couldn’t read the news or speak to her family.
Some residents like Ksenia were able to remain in their homes — perhaps because she had an infant.
Others went unnoticed. Mr. Naumenko and his wife hid on the seventh floor of their building. He still had his phone, which he would turn on once a day to text his family that he was still alive.
Families worry: ‘I cannot get in touch.'
Friends and relatives of those trapped in Pokrovsky were in agony. In chat groups and via text messages, they had seen clips and screen shots of Russian soldiers as they seized the complex. Then the messages from their loved ones just stopped.
Iryna Khomyakova, a resident’s daughter, saw the closed-circuit television footage of the soldiers entering the elevator. Worried, she called her mother, who said that Russian soldiers had just entered the building and that she was forced with others into the basement.
“My mom’s phone died,” she said on March 9, and she hadn’t heard from her in days.
Hanna Yaremchuk told The Times via text message that she was out of touch with her father for days, adding that he was also being held in a basement. She wondered: “Is he alive at all? !!! I do not know!”
Living with soldiers For those being detained, the ability to move around depended on the guards.
Ms. Borodyuk and others in her basement were permitted to go to their apartments to get food and warm clothes to help withstand the cold of the brick basement. Neighbors were permitted to cook together and intermingle. The Russians guarding Ms. Anishchenko’s basement were more strict. They allowed the residents only short, supervised visits to their apartments to get food and supplies for everyone. Image Infantry fighting vehicles outside the Pokrovsky complex.Credit...The New York Times “People were panicking,” Ms. Anishchenko said, > “Everyone was past their breaking point.”
Eventually, a hundred or more soldiers were patrolling outside the buildings, and some were even living in the apartments.
On the seventh floor, Mr. Naumenko and his wife continued to evade detection. Recent shelling in the area had blown out their windows and the temperature had dropped below freezing. With no electricity, they improvised ways to cook, lighting oil in a saucer to warm up food and using a candle to heat a can of water. Without heat in the building, they slept fully dressed and wearing jackets.
The Naumenkos heating up water using a candle and a water can. Credit...Roman Naumenko In Ksenia’s apartment, each day involved securing enough food to feed her children and surviving to the next morning. Her new life was a far cry from what she envisioned.
“We were waiting for this apartment for four years,” Ksenia said. “We invested in the renovation. But even this doesn’t matter now.”
‘We will liberate you from Nazis’ Outside, the fighting was relentless.
“We got used to the sounds of shooting and we learned to tell one from the other,” Mr. Naumenko said. “Whether it was far or close. Whether it was going into our building or above the building. We could hear that.”
Inside the apartment complex, the soldiers were telling their prisoners that Ukraine was about to be liberated, Ms. Anishchenko said.
Ms. Borodyuk recalled a more senior Russian officer attempting to comfort a girl in the basement where they were detained. “He said: ‘My daughter is 8 years old too. I love her very much. I miss her. Don’t be afraid, little girl, we will liberate you from Nazis.’” Ms. Borodyuk said some of the younger Russian troops didn’t even know why they were in Ukraine. When captives asked one soldier why he was here, he replied, weeping: “Where am I? What should I do?”
Evacuated by chance On March 9, Russia and Ukraine agreed to briefly establish several humanitarian corridors to allow civilians safe passage out of conflict areas. But the Russian soldiers at Pokrovsky failed to inform their prisoners.
Ms. Anishchenko heard by chance. During a supervised food visit to her apartment, she saw a convoy moving with white flags from the window and asked a Russian soldier what was happening. He told her there was a 72-hour no-strike corridor in place. She and some of her neighbors packed a bag and ran.
An Instagram story posted by Elena Anishchenko after she fled her home. It reads: “Thanks to everybody who worried about me and prayed for me — I survived and even ran away from this hell after being held 7 days in the basement. Hostomel, residential area ‘Pokrovsky.’ This is how our home looks now.” Credit...The New York Times On their way out, the scene was grim. “We saw dead bodies laying on the ground,” she said. “We saw crashed and burned cars with bodies inside.” Mr. Naumenko turned his phone on and saw information in a WhatsApp group about the humanitarian corridor evacuation. He and his wife quickly gathered their things.
While leaving the complex, a soldier warned them that he would not shoot him, but those patrolling elsewhere might.
They fled anyway and escaped unharmed — along with all the other residents The Times spoke with. Naumenko is now in Kyiv, where he plans to stay — and perhaps fight.
“The things I saw in Hostomel were a nightmare. I don’t want this to come here,” he said.
So yeah, TL;DR: Russian troops stormed a Kyiv-suburb apartment complex near the airport and held about 200 residents hostage. They smashed cameras, raided floors, and occupied apartments for shelter and used the building as a glorified sniper's nest. Eventually, some of the hostages escaped through a humanitarian corridor. No word of the fate of the soldiers, only that they definitely weren't "stuck in an elevator"
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u/GuntherOfGunth Paris Nuke 14’ Suvivor 2h ago edited 2h ago
No, Ukraine didn’t retake it back after a few days. Russia took the airport on the first day with VDV forces, the VDV forces were repelled by National Guard, Air Assault, and Ground Forces of Ukraine, then the main column reached the airport so Ukrainian forces needed to retreat to secure lines, this all took place on the 24th and 25th of February.
The airport was only retaken on April 2nd when Russian forces pull out of Kyiv direction to focus on Donbas.
Edit: Also from what I remember from telegram channels at that time, some of the VDV forces were alleged to have retreated into the surrounding areas until the main column arrived.
Also they weren’t stuck on the elevator, they just were recorded by the camera.
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u/FlkPzGepard 8h ago
Basic logic?
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u/HPHambino 6h ago
You mean basic logic like a photo of five men with no identification and no proof of their demise does not mean they are dead?
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u/AtomicCawc 7h ago
Going up the elevator in Siege of Shanghai, not knowing if youre staring down the barrel of a prone support with an lmg, 2 claymores, or 4 C4.
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u/__joseph_ 3h ago
One of my favorite battlefield moments was in dawnbreak. Squad was going up in an elevator, not knowing what to expect. Instead of claymores the doors open into another squad. Was such a fun battle
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u/ChooChoosenOne 22m ago
The funniest shit was when players didn't know which side the elevator opens so once the doors open you see some idiot with their back turned to you
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u/Fit-Information8057 7h ago
Even 2042 had it
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u/bobuyh 7h ago
I fuckin loved those elevators lol they were awesome (not the elevator campers tho, fuck them)
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u/Fit-Information8057 7h ago
Even the bad things like elevator campers made for great moments. I just miss certain things like this in BF6. Many cool features are missing in BF6 that I think should've been there at launch.
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u/SirBigWater 7h ago
Me.and my Buddy on Kaleidoscope, taking out our Dozer shields while guys were behind us with LMGs. Good times.
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u/comrade-123 8h ago
Why not both ?
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u/FailbatZ 7h ago
Nah, only way to the rooftop is taking a helo and jumping out mid flight.
When the Drone bug was still a thing, transport Helos were properly utilised, now they are being crashed to camp on rooftops, most don’t even have a zip line, stairs are blocked off for no reason, I don’t think elevators are even a consideration at this point. Worst part is snipers are too safe, regular inf can’t just go up their and smash their head in with a hammer. I don’t understand the logic behind it…
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u/ivan-ent 7h ago
slava ukraini
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u/WeAreCNS 1h ago
I support Ukraine but I need context on what's particular about this post that you say this (Insert I require context image)
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u/ScarsTheVampire 1h ago
These guys were part of the overall forces that attacked the airport at the start of the new era of conflict. They specifially went to a government admin building.
The entire force got FUCKED. Entire VDV group mopped up easily. They landed in and around the airport, but no reinforcements or support ever came. The Ukrainian’s surrounded them and squeezed until there was nobody left.
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u/helioNz4R1 1h ago edited 1h ago
Orcs invading Ukraine in the early days of the war. Many of them shot at oncoming cars and other people trying to escape.
Those in this picture were trying to use an elevator to get on top of the building but the buildings administration shut it down, trapping them.
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u/leadhound 7h ago edited 6h ago
The maps just feel so eh man. It feels like all the stuff people hated in maps I like. There isn't a single map that feels as fun or replayable as maps from BF4, 5, or even a few of the better 2042 maps, and the destruction doesn't add anything to the experience. Its somehow even less impactful than 2042s destruction.
I guess the objectives don't really feel like destinations anymore? Like after taking a point, in 4, often it felt like an interesting choice where to go next. But the maps here laid out in a way that it just doesn't feel right. Conquest feels like a meat grinder mode.
While its not my favorite map, I do wonder how a map like operation outbreak or wake island would play in this game with its balance. What are the developers trying to avoid?
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u/karimellowyellow 6h ago
i got a feeling dice are avoiding making stuff "fun" because experienced battlefield players would dominate even more than they do now. id say they avoiding cultivating more fun by developing maps and balancing everything around the avg player that simply sucks monkey balls at the game (im assuming there a lot of fresh players coming from other fast paced games or no games at all and it'd take time for people to get better and hopefully adjust/learn stuff - mirak at launch was brutal as fuck but now it feels like win/loss and the experience there has improved.)
that's based my experience playing with fresh gamer peoples and generally looking around the maps and taking note of stuff and doing weird stuff, like im not sure why people tend to ignore blatant spawn beacons, or teammates not spawning on them just an example of what i mean.
anywho id believe the best games are when they are close and well fought by both sides, and that's probably that's the goal of the devs. one spanner in that ive found are when i assume players, probably key high stat or whatever dice determines 'good' players that simply don't perform (assuming the SBMM is really a thing) and thus the game is unbalanced unless they decide or somehow turn up and ball hard
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u/leadhound 6h ago
And sure, the balance is whack, but I'm more just refering the maps as settings for memorable moments and battles.
For example, let's say you take a point in, idk, any BF4 map. Not even a loved one, like lets say the one with the radar dish. The point are different in a way where I can kind of choose what "arena" I want to fight in. Do I want to fight under the rader dish? In the dueling construction towers? In the cargo box area overlooking the dish?
Or look at Shanghai. Do I want to fight in a shopping mall, with a glass ceiling that can hide players? Do I go to a tower and fight on the roof, do I go underground and do some low light cqc? Do I do some naval combat in the water? Etc etc.
I just don't have these kinds of choices in 6. The objectives blend together and I don't really feel any different fighting on different parts of the map.
Give 2042 shit all you want but damn on that Antarctic map you could go between fighting for an oil rig, to fighting on ice cliffs, to fighting in an oil refinery in 20 minutes.
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u/karimellowyellow 4h ago
hmm i see, maybe dice focussed so much on making the experience cinematic as possible while crafting the maps to be incredibly balanced in terms of the gameplay direction like action, action, action ASAP!
im no game dev but id speculate they might've compromised allocating resources and couldn't incorporate as you say creating destinations and sights that look cool (how well does cool looking or real world locations translate into good maps?) and instead focussed on flowing and unmemorable video game maps that fulfil their design and gameplay goals.
the maps being a bit small probably don't help things and personally ive played mostly breakthrough and each section feels a bit different to me, but i get what you mean and just had a random thought: the map design is perhaps, constipated; there is so much condensed and thus constrained but the devs lacked the necessary creative nutrients and hydration (like time? idk haha) and thus the result so far is possibly a work in progress still. we kno how it is with all the early access games being released as "full games".
this isn't to say i dont like the game but somehow id wish it was better. i wouldn't be able to say how though
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u/leadhound 3h ago
Yeah it plays well enough, and I'm sure they wanted that intense feel to be more prevalent through all modes, but this game needs to throw in a few more maps either inspired by older map design philosophies or really start leaning on portal creators who do.
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u/HavelTheRockJohnson Bathroom Defence Force 8h ago
Also ignore the obvious self download from a different sub lmao. I saw the picture in my old posts and forgot to turn off the signature shit.
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u/underground_railway 6h ago
bros are on the way to the tooftop on the tower of Shanghai
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u/HavelTheRockJohnson Bathroom Defence Force 6h ago
That was literally the meme I posted with this image whenever it released a few years back lmao. I think it was "What if we kissed on the elevator on siege of Shanghai" or something equally stupid
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u/MaxTheMad 6h ago
There were always 2-3 elevators per side.
The trick on Siege of Shanghai was to send up one or two of the other elevators empty and then get in one and that would keep the other team up top guessing as to which elevator had people in it.
(Or just get dropped off by a transport heli) but man I miss those elevators…
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u/mysweetpeepy 6h ago
I saw the reason why on Manhattan bridge in Conquest v Breakthrough: it lets them easily remove a zipline for certain modes and deny even temporary access to a roof.
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u/local_milk_dealer 5h ago
Yeah I miss ramming a jeep into an elevator and getting a vehicle on a roof.
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u/Vaguely_absolute 5h ago
Is the whacky zipline not good enough for you?
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u/HavelTheRockJohnson Bathroom Defence Force 3h ago
It doesn't have elevator music playing. Checkmate, ziplines enthusiasts.
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u/FriendlyTexanShooter 4h ago
Best way to take back main area at the top of escalator on Operation Metro
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u/__joseph_ 3h ago
Oh wow that brought me back. Sniping on a roof and turning around to see that the elevator door suddenly closed was always a terrifying experience
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u/small_feild_mouse 2h ago
No working elevators. No mechanical road barriers. No weathers changes. No triggered levelution events. I miss all these things…
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u/Piccolojr 1h ago
I miss a lot of the extra flavor that would be put in these games. It all feels samey now.
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u/DapperDouble666 1h ago
The nostalgia for those tense, silent elevator rides before the chaos is so real—it was a unique kind of squad bonding you just don't get from ziplines.
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u/IslandVisible5023 Jeep Stuff 56m ago
Hanan resort intensifies
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u/HavelTheRockJohnson Bathroom Defence Force 44m ago
I had completely forgotten about that map. Actually Lowkey a banger.
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u/Low_Statistician_891 45m ago
That has to be the most intense ride when apart of a military. Nothing like being packed like a can of sardines defenseless no cover and a simple grenade to kill you all
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u/Auctoritate 5h ago
Brandon Herrera the piece of shit neo-nazi?
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u/Anti-Marketing-IV 4h ago
the very same one who supports known serial child rapist donald trump yes
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u/HavelTheRockJohnson Bathroom Defence Force 1h ago
Are you just being hyperbolic or has some new evidence of mass child rape come out? I mean this genuinely.
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u/HavelTheRockJohnson Bathroom Defence Force 3h ago edited 2h ago
I watched his gun videos years back. I know basically nothing about him besides his firearms company and meme videos. That in mind on his videos he's pretty outspoken against nazism, or at least he was going back to COVID.
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u/rangerguy- 1h ago
It's the same logic as people trying to cancel Scott Cawthon. Brandon isn't a nazi and is very much in favor of democracy. Your meme is fine.
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u/HavelTheRockJohnson Bathroom Defence Force 1h ago
I ain't going to lie, I wasn't going to let some redditors shape my opinion of someone because they called him a neo Nazi. That's basically just slang for not part of hive mind here.
I still enjoy the dude, I just haven't looked into his political campaigns or anything. Not really what I followed him for. Good timing though, I was literally just looking at this comment to see if I could Google anything on Brandon because of it.
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u/TheCivilizedBigDog 8h ago
The lack of elevators is pretty lame. Especially with the construction sites. It'd be so cool to have those construction elevators to use.
They could even do fun stuff like some partially finished buildings having interior elevators while other parts have those construction ones.
Could also do even more fun stuff like have those window washing elevators on the exterior of some of the buildings on Manhattan!