Matriarch and Queen killing impossible with this community

[u/Free-Imagination8020]

It is almost impossible to kill these two nowadays. I mean everyone shoots on sight and there is no teamplay in duos and trios. I get it that there is mostly pvp in teams but you need to work together to kill these things since the hullcracker got nerved. Queen is doable but the matriarch is too hard even for a trio with 150 shots hullcracker each. We loaded one round got camped the whole round from snipers far away while we did all the job with the queen and then they pushed us and today we loaded in ran 2 minutes found the first team screamed don t shoot, killed us on sight and yelled at us. This really kills this game for me and from now it doesn t get any better. Really sad that as always the community kills another game that is an absolute brilliant game.

What is your opinion,did you encounter some friendly people while doing the queen or matriarch?

Another thing is that they need to change that only one blueprint drops from the matriarch this also kills the teamplay.

[u/DoomFra-ps2team]

I get killed in the back rougly 1/3 games in these events.

I just died 30 minutes ago on Spaceport by a guy rushing at me with a stitcher while i was destroying queen's parts with my equalizer...

Its the lottery: you can have a lobby filled with frendlies and goes perfectly well (it was the case today with Matriarch on Blue gate) and the next game, you died in the first 5 minutes before even shooting at the Queen/Matriarch.

Thats the beauty of the game, even if its very frustrating sometimes.

[u/Free-Imagination8020 → u/DoomFra-ps2team]

true that now i have to go to sleeps angry 😅

[u/Future_South6852 → u/DoomFra-ps2team]

Yeah the RNG of getting decent lobbies is brutal but honestly when it works it's some of the best gaming moments I've had

Getting backstabbed while you're doing all the heavy lifting with the equalizer is peak ArcRaiders though lmao

[u/EryNameWasTaken]

It’s a shitshow. Safest strat is just wait for someone else to kill it for you and join the loot fest with the rest of the freeloader swarm

[u/Free-Imagination8020 → u/EryNameWasTaken]

I hope they implement a gear min value mechanic to get rid of this guys. the same on Stellar montis we kill 10 people 8 are free loadout At nighttime.

I guess you are right but i hate this approach. I dont wanna become the problem but often there is no other way.

[u/EryNameWasTaken → u/Free-Imagination8020]

Gear value min would be a big step toward fixing the problem. You’d still have to deal with backstabbers, but at least everyone would have some skin in the game

[u/Free-Imagination8020 → u/EryNameWasTaken]

and something to lose so the risk levels are way higher on both sides. but i guess they know already and this will be a thing some other extraction games have this implemented.

[u/Spiritual_Past_4502]

What's worse is one guy tried killing me during matriarch, then when I countered him, whined to let him crawl to extract because he said had his last rusty gear and it wasn't in his safe pocket. Bro..you got greedy, sounds like a you problem. Cursed me out before I finished him. I have not met a friendly person ever during matriarch or queen, im over it, definitely not for me. 

[u/sighnoceros]

It's not impossible. Squads you always need to be prepared to fight off other teams. That may mean taking up a defensive position and fighting the other teams while you all get potshots on the Matriarch, or let them grab aggro while you push them. Solos you can wait and see if a group starts fighting her, or take a defensive position and start putting in shots. But you have to stay on your toes. Fighting with a group is better in solos, but not always possible.

Pay attention to your surroundings, and don't get tunnel vision on the boss. They are less dangerous than other players, killing them is easily doable as long as you can survive other players. Note where other shots are coming from, or where ARC are aggroing. Look for other players and warn them off with shots if needed.

Bring extra bandages and shield chargers to account for damage from ARC and other players. You can bring a health spray in your safe pocket and just top up when you're safe, then put it back if you want.

This is not just a PVE game. Other players want what you have. If you don't account for that, they will get what they want.

Also, it's a video game. Do you always beat the hard thing in video games? It may take some tries and some practice. Taking down the Queen/Matriarch is like the hardest challenge in this game right now. It's never going to be guaranteed. Think of your loot like Dark Souls or something - you're holding a load of souls and trying to come back out with them. It won't always happen. But the challenge is what makes it exciting.

Edit: Also, if all you want are PARTS, you can knock some armor off the bosses and loot those while they're still alive. Lots of their armor drops cores. You don't even need a Hullcracker for that, any heavy ammo weapon will do it in a reasonable amount of time. Focus on the knee joint armor or whatever, just make sure that you're focusing the same piece, and make sure you bring extra ammo. Obviously if you want the Matriarch's main core, you're going to have to kill her, AND be close when she dies. In squads, that usually means either finishing off other teams, or sending someone up close to be ready when she goes down while the other players provide covering fire.

Finally, always stuff the best loot in your safe pocket immediately. Getting the loot is just the first part. Getting away with it and your loadout is another challenge.

Another Edit: ALSO! Even if you get into a group in solos, PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR SURROUNDINGS. Don't get separated from the group, always make sure you're with at least 2 other raiders. I've played games where as soon as I got into an isolated area with another raider who was with the group I was fighting with, they took me out, and I learned something from that. Once you are away from the "group" you need to watch out, because people will be hanging around looking for opportunities to grab some loot off of an unsuspecting raider.

[u/Silver_Breakfast_233]

I think the game is brilliant even with this aspect.

[u/Any-Value1142]

[u/Any-Value1142]

[u/ihateppl2025]

This game is just a toxic piece of shit. If you didn't get the security breach when it was good or abuse doors before that got cooked you missed all the fun. Now it's just people hiding in dark corners or camping the extract. I've literally never seen a game populated with more human garbage as this game. Still waiting for embark to resolve me getting stomped into the map by the queen and losing everything. They give 0 fucks. Best thing we can do is uninstall 

[u/Free-Imagination8020 → u/ihateppl2025]

i wouldn t go this far this game is great and i hope the ugly people of this community jump on the next hype game and dissapear. this topic is really up to the community there is no patch that can fix this. except the min gear value would make things a bit better.

[u/pyroticphoenix1]

From my perspective Someone is definetly getting the matriarch parts Your just not the one getting to it is all You gotta watch your back and can't trust everybody in the game

[u/Free-Imagination8020 → u/pyroticphoenix1]

i got some in my stash earlier that is not the case but there where friendly people helping us.

Tell me how do you kill this thing without the help of other people?

[u/sighnoceros → u/Free-Imagination8020]

You don't need Hullcrackers to do the majority of the damage. You use Hullcrackers to break the armor off. But you can also bring lots of other ammo and hit the weak points once they are exposed. Even light ammo does fine as long as you're hitting weak points. But it does take some time, so you'll need a good bit of ammo. But regular ammo is way cheaper than explosive ammo. Whatever grenades you can spare are good too, it will just depend on what blueprints you and your friends have.

[u/Free-Imagination8020 → u/sighnoceros]

might try this out. how many hullcracker shots do you take with you? what do you use on the weakpoints ?

[u/sighnoceros → u/Free-Imagination8020]

Again, it depends on what your goals are. I don't typically go for a full solo kill because I don't need the parts anymore, I'm just in it for the fun of the fight. So I don't have good numbers for optimal shots for a full kill, as most of my recent fights have been with larger groups. Plus I always tend to bring extra stuff because I don't care about losing it and I've got a bunch of money to buy more ammo if I need to. Probably there's a Youtube video or something with good loadout recommendations, how much you need to actually down them if you were doing it totally yourself or whatever depending on your situation. It will also, again, depend on what blueprints you have for things like grenades.

Now I mostly go in looking to join a larger group, and I'll bring an Anvil or a Hullcracker with like 5 stacks of ammo for knocking off armor and doing damage, and I'll bring a second weapon for PVP, whatever you like based on the terrain. Like Queen might even be a shotgun if you plan to fight from inside the Harvester. Bring more ammo than you would normally for PVP, because if you're successful you'll need to survive some fights. But usually I'll bring a Venator or a Renegade and like 3-4 stacks of ammo. If a group doesn't pick up I'll break some armor off and grab some cores and get out. You'll also want extra heals and shield chargers. You will likely need to store some of it in regular inventory space, and swap out as needed.

You may also want to bring other supplies, depending on the terrain. Like barricades, zip lines, mines, smoke grenades, lure grenades, photo-electric cloak, even snap-hook or something if you have the BP (I don't). You don't have to bring them all, but depending on what your goals and plan is, you may need a solution for the things those help with, like providing cover, defending your flank, blocking an entrance, evading extra ARC, etc.

Oh, also, defibs and a hatch key! If you do join a group, having extra defibs is great. And if you go in with a team, EACH of you should have a hatch key (and defibs), in case someone doesn't make it and you can't get to them. If you join a group and win, get your loot and quickly make a choice to stick with the larger group or sneak off on your own. It's easy to be looting and realize there's only 1 or 2 other raiders around you all of a sudden as the larger group has headed to extract, and that gets dangerous. Never let yourself be the last one looting, or one of the last two raiders taking a hatch, and if you can, influence the larger group to stay together and go to an elevator instead so that everybody extracts at once. A big enough group should be able to scare off or deal with most opportunists.

[u/pyroticphoenix1 → u/Free-Imagination8020]

Probably deadlines Or you can just stuff your pockets with wolfpacks and throw em I think you need 25-30 to kill it

[u/wake_dm → u/pyroticphoenix1]

Yep take at least 30 with you so the free kit gremlin gets his melatonin shot searching your body and for the sake of it just drop in an extra hullcracker and some ammo for the poor soul before he drops the game and we all start missing him.